As far as I recall the thieves guild and outlaw refuge were going to work parallel if not together. It does not bother me that these are going to be DLC because of they are stand alone they will be cheap, if they are not them the content should be worth the price anyway.

If anything, these being DLC systems would suggest that they are going to be fairly involved.

Do not think even ZOS would try to get away with a named DLC changing the name of Outlaw dens to Thieves Guild and adding in a brief questline.

If Imperial City is operating on their template for DLCs, Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood will have to be comparable in scale to not feel as though they are cheating customers.

Plaid13ub17_ESO wrote: »

It bugs me. These should have been in the game at launch they are the most important part of the elder scrolls games in my mind. It bugs me that they are charging for them. Hopefully they will be like $5 or something. Because really it just feels like it should have been in the game already.

Whatever those two DLC include, it had better be something a lot bigger than $5 If that is all we are getting for the first half of 2016.

Edit: Both need to be 2000-3000 crowns... and worth it.

I'm a bit dissapointed they are sepperate dlc's.
I wonder how they are filling them up, there will be more then just a quest line... and it has to be outside of the normal content.
So I'm a bit sceptic but I'll see when more news is coming out...

I hope they make a main storyline for both of them (such as with the Fighters and Mages guild) that is rather story driven and then a ton of repeatable content, such as side jobs, that entail larceny and other felonious behavior for the thieves guild and carrying out hits for the brotherhood (making contact with a speaker then carrying out a contract with the occasional bonus objective). Perhaps completing these jobs can be what levels up their skill lines.

If done correctly, that would make a very fun DLC in my opinion with a fun quest line and additional jobs to enjoy even after it is done as that's my one wish for the current guilds would be additional content outside the main storyline (admittedly leveling the skill lines count too I suppose, but I refer to actuall quests).

I would not know precisely what cash value that should be, however, if that was all that was implemented in each one compared to IC being listed at $25.

I can't wait for the TG and DB. By far my favourite part of the Elder Scrolls games was the DB followed shortly after by the TG. Should help out my stealth based Khajiit NB too gonna be a lot of PvP complaints though good thing I stay out of that though.

Eocosa wrote: »

I hope they make a main storyline for both of them (such as with the Fighters and Mages guild) that is rather story driven and then a ton of repeatable content, such as side jobs, that entail larceny and other felonious behavior for the thieves guild and carrying out hits for the brotherhood (making contact with a speaker then carrying out a contract with the occasional bonus objective). Perhaps completing these jobs can be what levels up their skill lines.

If done correctly, that would make a very fun DLC in my opinion with a fun quest line and additional jobs to enjoy even after it is done as that's my one wish for the current guilds would be additional content outside the main storyline (admittedly leveling the skill lines count too I suppose, but I refer to actuall quests).

I would not know precisely what cash value that should be, however, if that was all that was implemented in each one compared to IC being listed at $25.

This is pretty much exactly how I'd think they would do it. They could even have a group dungeon or trial unlocked by completing the main guild storyline - maybe something like a test from Nocturnal that unlocks the title of Nightingale for the Thieves Guild, and a test from the Night Mother for the Dark Brotherhood.

"DLC" has become such a dirty word that when it's even brought up that you'll have to buy a DLC, whining is apparently inevitable.

What people tend to forget is that this MMO is probably the best value for money MMO out atm. You get so much in the base game for just buying the digital copy or hard copy. You can also subscribe if you wish, but I'm sure the vast majority play for free after the initial purchase and with that said how do you expect them to fund future development? From the mounts and pets etc. in the Crown Store? Yeah right, lol.

This payment model is actually the most flexible one I've encountered and I believe they're genuinely doing their best to stick to their initial intentions about it and not turn people into store addicts that feel they need to buy this and that all the time.

Sykis wrote: »

Sadly most do not consider the cost of developing these games. I heard several comments about "my money went to this and that and still don't have what I payed for" This statement might be part truth but the money given to ZOS is spent on all aspects of their entire department. Employees, developers, maintenance, advertising, all of it. A game that runs 24/7 needs constant revenue to maintain. Nothing in this world is free.

Developing and maintaining. There are constant bugs being looked at and ways to fix it without disrupting other systems. It's not as easy as just, oh, here's the bug, fixed, done.

Bacon wrote: »

Does it bother anyone else that TG & DBH were announced as upcoming DLC's? I have nothing against DLC content. With the game going B2P I know they have to find ways to continue generating income but These 2 guilds just seem like they should be part of the main game (considering they have always been a part of TES previous titles) and added as an update for everyone rather than a separate DLC. The Thieves guild at least seamed like it was going to replace the outlaws refugees and replace the Legerman Skill Line and be added with the next part of the justice system but apparently ZOS had other plans

On the contrary, it is the idea that the freeloaders would have the same skill lines and powers as players who would support the game with their dollars that bothers me!!!
At the very least, if these superior skill lines were not DLC-exclusive, they should be only made available after so insane amount of mind boggling grind or overcoming impossible to overcome challenges that even though they would be "available" on paper without buying DLC, in fact nobody not paying for DLC would have them.

Yes, I think it should have been included. But don't really care that it's not or believe even if there were 10 threads a day about it ZOS would change plans.

I was not real keen on going B2P and DLC's, however if you simply buy crown packs instead of sub the math works better in your favor, and I actually like this system better knowing I don't have to keep sub'ing for access. The gain feels more mine.

Bacon wrote: »

Does it bother anyone else that TG & DBH were announced as upcoming DLC's? I have nothing against DLC content. With the game going B2P I know they have to find ways to continue generating income but These 2 guilds just seem like they should be part of the main game (considering they have always been a part of TES previous titles) and added as an update for everyone rather than a separate DLC. The Thieves guild at least seamed like it was going to replace the outlaws refugees and replace the Legerman Skill Line and be added with the next part of the justice system but apparently ZOS had other plans

Like Mr Roberts used to say in his show

"Can you spell Cash Grab boys and girls"

I expect with the thieves guild to have a nocturnal quest arc. Maybe have a nightinggale skill line and armour sets. Oh oh oh introduce little minigame style things where you can loot everything from a massive mansion where the only NPCs are guards.

Gidorick wrote: »

It bothers me quite a bit. I was hoping BOTH of these would be gameplay mechanics that get incorporated into the game world and not separated zones/quests/etc. I HOPE the DLC gives you access to the quest lines but the quests themselves take you across Tamriel.

Agree. I was hoping for some system updates and new world-wide mechanics, even if it's just something like lorebooks or Dark Anchors for the Mage and Fighter guild.
It also bothers me a bit that skill lines might be DLC-gated.