Nestor wrote: »

Wait, so we get killed in the IC, then someone can take loot from us?

Damn skippy.

It will make it exciting and thrilling just stepping inside. Cant WAIT!!!

If you dont like the thought, just stay out of imperial City, or get your stones stolen, easy solution.

Or keep crying that the stones are lootable, and keep giving me more tears to feed upon.

markt84 wrote: »

Everyone is saying player looting, this isn't player looting at all. The stones aren't actually yours until you safely store them in the bank. Just like The justice system, something it isn't actually yours until you fence or deconstruct it. That's why it stays red in your inventory. So if they make these stones red while in your inventory, will that make it better for PvEer? I'll start a new thread for you guy......ZOS make the stones red while not in the bank, so PvEers can comprehend they system

Worst analogy ever.

With that you claim that any item is not ours untill we what? Bank it or sell it?
Stolen items are ours. Even trying to comperhend your way of thinking, they are ours if we sucesfully stole them without being noticed and having bounty on us.

Elitetownie wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

IMO, PVEers should travel in groups of 10 or more and have a tank with guard on while questing. Make it require more than a solo ganker oneshot combo to take their stones.

Why bother trying to get an army together to protect you from gankers so you can PvE? Hardly seems worth the hassle.

Why bother sitting in a corner stealthed waiting for a lone PvE straggler so you can gank him and take a stone? Hardly seems worth the hassle.

Because its fun? Games are designed for mindless pvers and its nice to spoil the party for them every once in a while and force them to actually think on their feet. A pvp player dies and shrugs it off and moves on but a PVEr cries, posts for nerfs on the forums and campaigns for the removal of all player conflict in every aspect of an mmo.

Pve'ers complaining and asking for nerfs? Hahahahaha What are you smoking? It's pvp'ers that ALWAYS whine for nerfs. Always has been, always will be.

MaximusDargus wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

Everyone is saying player looting, this isn't player looting at all. The stones aren't actually yours until you safely store them in the bank. Just like The justice system, something it isn't actually yours until you fence or deconstruct it. That's why it stays red in your inventory. So if they make these stones red while in your inventory, will that make it better for PvEer? I'll start a new thread for you guy......ZOS make the stones red while not in the bank, so PvEers can comprehend they system

Worst analogy ever.

With that you claim that any item is not ours untill we what? Bank it or sell it?
Stolen items are ours. Even trying to comperhend your way of thinking, they are ours if we sucesfully stole them without being noticed and having bounty on us.

If you get killed by a guard or pay the fine, all that stolen stuff is gone, that's why it's red, because it can be taken away. The stuff that isn't red can't be taken out of your inventory from an NPCs. What exactly aren't you understanding? just like these stones.

The guard is not attacking you as soon as you have stolen stuff on you. Unless you suck at stealing and get caugth/get bounty on you all the time.

And if you do, he takes it, because it is NOT YOURS (just like the stones)

hence, why it is RED, and marked as STOLEN. It is not yours. Pretty easy concept to understand....

Semantics discussion, go!

smh...

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

Everyone is saying player looting, this isn't player looting at all. The stones aren't actually yours until you safely store them in the bank. Just like The justice system, something it isn't actually yours until you fence or deconstruct it. That's why it stays red in your inventory. So if they make these stones red while in your inventory, will that make it better for PvEer? I'll start a new thread for you guy......ZOS make the stones red while not in the bank, so PvEers can comprehend they system

Worst analogy ever.

With that you claim that any item is not ours untill we what? Bank it or sell it?
Stolen items are ours. Even trying to comperhend your way of thinking, they are ours if we sucesfully stole them without being noticed and having bounty on us.

If you get killed by a guard or pay the fine, all that stolen stuff is gone, that's why it's red, because it can be taken away. The stuff that isn't red can't be taken out of your inventory from an NPCs. What exactly aren't you understanding? just like these stones.

The guard is not attacking you as soon as you have stolen stuff on you. Unless you suck at stealing and get caugth/get bounty on you all the time.

And if you do, he takes it, because it is NOT YOURS (just like the stones)

hence, why it is RED, and marked as STOLEN. It is not yours. Pretty easy concept to understand....

Do you also consider all loot from dungeons and mobs also as stolen?

Because tel var stones is just another loot from killing monsters. Not pickpocketing NPCs/ killing innocents/ ransacking someones food stash or safebox in a bank

Not at all, its completely different stuff.

I was just explaining where the other poster was coming from.

The entire point of the TV stones is that it is a NEW system, so we cant compare it to anything. Nothing has been lootable from player to player before this.

That is WHY it is so exciting, its new and adds a entire new element to PvP, reason to be on your toes and be careful, because lets face it, players offer a entire new world of challenge, and thats what PvPers look for.

I honestly cant wait for a new element to be introduced....IC seems amazing so far.

JMadFour wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

Because its fun? Games are designed for mindless pvers and its nice to spoil the party for them every once in a while and force them to actually think on their feet. A pvp player dies and shrugs it off and moves on but a PVEr cries, posts for nerfs on the forums and campaigns for the removal of all player conflict in every aspect of an mmo.

as someone who has been playing MMOs since 1999, and plays both PVE AND PVP equally:

[fixed for you] MMO "PVEers" are the biggest bunch of crybabies in the history of gaming. always have been.

Can you all just have fun and not look at the negative? Geez, it's a PvP game, nobody is forcing you to go there, just like nobody forced me to do the craglorn quests I've never done...and didn't complain about.

Etharian wrote: »

xoduspaladin wrote: »

Celestrael wrote: »

Back in my day, on old school Ultima Online, when you died, your entire inventory and everything that you were wearing was lootable from your corpse. And ya'll are all worried about some stones.

Yeah, there's a reason why games like that aren't around anymore or games that try to bring that way of playing back do not last (there have been quite a few MMOs who attempted to do so over the years).

Rose-tinted glasses aside, this will be an interesting, and more likely, unfortunately situation for Xenimax and this game...

yeah .. they are not around becuase PVEers spent their dying days in forums crying and [snip] to

xoduspaladin wrote: »

Celestrael wrote: »

Back in my day, on old school Ultima Online, when you died, your entire inventory and everything that you were wearing was lootable from your corpse. And ya'll are all worried about some stones.

Yeah, there's a reason why games like that aren't around anymore or games that try to bring that way of playing back do not last (there have been quite a few MMOs who attempted to do so over the years).

Rose-tinted glasses aside, this will be an interesting, and more likely, unfortunately situation for Xenimax and this game...

...

Back in your old days noone would really give a thought how whats happening in game reflects on human psychology and affects them. People were making games just to make games. Game would bear such pentaly for death it could waste someones week worth of time in game.

Noone gave thought what results it could have. And the result was extreme tension and frustration on players. The weight of loss in case of death, no matter if from hand of players/mob/disconnect/lag was too much and noone care.

And this was causing situations where people would be under such pression that they would do psychical harm to other people around. Situations where one person would beat another just because that other person disconected their internet and made their character die (losing week worth of exp/skill/items due to masochistic and sadistic death pentaly).

Thats why games moved away from those sadistic systems, and its good.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

But it is your choice if you want to play with the penalty or not. I would love to play with the penalty, and others would as well. This is ESO where they try to let people play in all ways how they want. This is for people who want to play with a penalty. If you don't want to there are other options available and more options in the future.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Etharian wrote: »

JMadFour wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

Because its fun? Games are designed for mindless pvers and its nice to spoil the party for them every once in a while and force them to actually think on their feet. A pvp player dies and shrugs it off and moves on but a PVEr cries, posts for nerfs on the forums and campaigns for the removal of all player conflict in every aspect of an mmo.

as someone who has been playing MMOs since 1999, and plays both PVE AND PVP equally:

[fixed for you] MMO "PVEers" are the biggest bunch of crybabies in the history of gaming. always have been.

And yet PvPers are consistently posting about how this that and the other needs a nerf/buff. Kettle calling the pot black.

I am not one of those people. The massive generalizations going on by everyone is the most toxic thing to read on these forums.

Bottomline: SOme people will love the DLC, some will hate it. Please let people who love it play how they want.

EDIT: Things will not be clear until they release the patch on the pts and on live. If it is not how ZOS wants they will make adjustments.

This has been going on for far too long. Everyone that doesn't like losing something after they die, then fine you're right, the system is horrible FOR YOU......just don't buy it. The people that like the idea, or the people that are willing to try something before they are ready to shout to the world they hate it....will buy it. If zos makes tons of money from IC, it will stay. If they don't they will make changes. This hate for something that no one has played yet, and for something you don't have to play is getting old. You win, the system is horrible....and I can't wait to play it

markt84 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Etharian wrote: »

JMadFour wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

Because its fun? Games are designed for mindless pvers and its nice to spoil the party for them every once in a while and force them to actually think on their feet. A pvp player dies and shrugs it off and moves on but a PVEr cries, posts for nerfs on the forums and campaigns for the removal of all player conflict in every aspect of an mmo.

as someone who has been playing MMOs since 1999, and plays both PVE AND PVP equally:

[fixed for you] MMO "PVEers" are the biggest bunch of crybabies in the history of gaming. always have been.

And yet PvPers are consistently posting about how this that and the other needs a nerf/buff. Kettle calling the pot black.

Wouldn't they be the best suited to know how powerful each class is? They aren't farming dungeons together, they are actually fighting eachother and have a way better idea of what works and what doesn't, and what is OP and what isn't

No, because most arguments they give is generic and lack of precise. Example? Ive seen topic where people started to start up a nerf thread/whine/complain that shield bash is too OP. No details, nothing just "shield bash too OP" and everyone there cheered "yes yes nerf shield bash".

One person went there and posted that they are wrong, shield bash is not op and gave real game numbers.

What happend the "PvPers suited to know how powerful is each class" called that person a PVE noob casual and told him to gtfo.

Later that person learned that by "shield bash is OP nerf it" the "mighty PVPers" meant that in one particular case of full stam DPS build shield bash does lot of damage.

But PVPers didnt bother to explain it to anyone, they would just rabble "nerf shield bash, nerf shield bash".

Just like they did recently with so called "shieldcasting" or "permablocking". They see person with sword and board = they think its tank. They see full DPS build to deal damage but with shield? They think its tank. And thats how the legends are born about "unkillable tanks" and claims that tanks are OP because they deal too much damage.

PVPers are supposed to know of what works and what doesnt? Suited to know how powerful ecah class is? All they care about is who killed them and whith what => Nerf it.

And when they demand nerfs they forget about whole community of PVE players. Maybe if they would think more and stick their nose out of PVP once in a while, there would be less PVE vs PVP hate.

Etharian wrote: »

xoduspaladin wrote: »

Celestrael wrote: »

Back in my day, on old school Ultima Online, when you died, your entire inventory and everything that you were wearing was lootable from your corpse. And ya'll are all worried about some stones.

Yeah, there's a reason why games like that aren't around anymore or games that try to bring that way of playing back do not last (there have been quite a few MMOs who attempted to do so over the years).

Rose-tinted glasses aside, this will be an interesting, and more likely, unfortunately situation for Xenimax and this game...

yeah .. they are not around becuase PVEers spent their dying days in forums crying and [snip] to

xoduspaladin wrote: »

Celestrael wrote: »

Back in my day, on old school Ultima Online, when you died, your entire inventory and everything that you were wearing was lootable from your corpse. And ya'll are all worried about some stones.

Yeah, there's a reason why games like that aren't around anymore or games that try to bring that way of playing back do not last (there have been quite a few MMOs who attempted to do so over the years).

Rose-tinted glasses aside, this will be an interesting, and more likely, unfortunately situation for Xenimax and this game...

...

More likely players voted with their wallets, or a dev tried something different that held more appeal (WoW springs to mind?). But also it may simply have been shiny new game syndrome, we all get that

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

The way some of you just categorize ALL PVP players together is sickening....

We are not one entity...we are in fact, all separate people believe it or not. not all of us "cry for nerfs"....

Some of you are really making it hard to have a normal discussion about this, and not just insult how you are crying like children about these stones....