Poor Sportmanship/Bulling

DenMoria · July 2015

Rylana wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Just remember. All those a******** that are teabagging you or taunting you or making fun of you in this game, you could beat the cr** out of in real life it they tried the same thing. That's why they do it online.

Sure, I'm a sensitive guy and don't do PvP or MMO's for a reason (because the majority of players are immature little pr*** with entitled attitudes and superiority complexes IMO), but, come on guys. I have to agree that it is just a game.

If you've ever been actually bullied in real life - you know, actually beaten up or abused, this stuff is all fluff. It's just words. Sure they hurt, but, they are just words. Move on. Maybe it's because I'm older that I learned a long time ago the whole "Sticks and Stones" thing. Cyber bullying is a terrible thing because you can't get away from it - okay, you can - turn off your dern devices! But it's nothing new. Many of us had the same thing going on, only in person, when we were young (and some of us even today).

Just believe in yourself. Don't worry about what those other haters think of you. It takes a thick skin to survive in this world. People, on the whole, are not nice and do not have your best interests at heart, so ignore them. Just relish the ones you find that actually do!

Pretty sure there isnt a single person that plays this game that could take me in an IRL fight XD

Oh come on. Not a single person? Not even one?

DenMoria · July 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

For the record I'm a 300 pound man with a background in various martial arts that has been in dozens of fist fights over the years ... mostly in my younger days. So like Rylana said above, be careful just assuming. Some of us are rather large and skilled.

Agree, 6'6" former rugby player with a black belt. Still, ya gotta admit. There are other ways to take us big guys down than a fist fight, and some of the weenies know how to use 'em.

Kurimugann · July 2015

Why are you guys still on that. Ok fine you win!!! Being sensitive is BAD, being an insensitive jerk is GOOD! If I say no, it does not matter. Do you really really REALLY need to make me feel like <word that ZM would ban me for> not matter what I do and say like Everyone.Has.ALWAYS.DONE.SINCE.ELEMENTAL.SCHOOL. I can't help it being sensitive! Does that make me a SISSY? A FAILED HUMAN!? A REASON FOR YOU TO DISLIKE HUMANITY!? Just say it, like many havbe done before, you hate me, you think I should be gone because I am pathetic

Who needs friends and guildmates when deadric AIs are nicer than real people.

Now someone close this thing please!

DenMoria · July 2015

Sallington wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »

Really can't be arsed to read 7 pages of this but it's all down to age : kids.....eventually will become adults , hopefully decent ones.

I'm sure this was said a lot in this thread but I just wanted to add that hopefully ppl will grow up,

(and just maybe a little bit I blame the parents. )

Im 32 years old and have a great life with a great career and I am one of the first people to tea bag. Other people around my age have stated a very similar thing so its not age. Its about playing a game and having a little fun. The people complaining about stuff like this are the same people that complain about not receiving "participation awards" or trophies for last place. Grow a spine, you aren't special and the world does not need to accommodate your every need.

I consider tea bagging similar to joking with your buddies if your playing a sport of some kind. It's the same thing as trash talking. It can be light-hearted and in good fun.

In a game when you're on the opposing faction, it's harder to trash talk. So maybe I'll pretend I'm putting my privates on your forehead. We can still be friends.

You do realize that most of the "teabagging" behavior is not directed at your "buddies", don't you? Sure, it's one thing to have such razzing amongst friends, but, when used on someone you do not know and is not your "buddy", it could be perceived as just plain old bad sportsmanship and many of the people who are doing it aren't doing it in "good fun", they are doing it simply to be hurtful. Have you listened to the banter that goes on, even in supposedly affiliated groups? It's pretty raw and inappropriate sometimes.

By it's very nature, ESO as an MMO and in groupings is with strangers, not with "buddies". If we truly consider those folks that we only know online as our "buddies", personally, I think I would need to get out more.

Hope499 · July 2015

Man...people still crying about tea bagging in a damn game...

This is beyond sad and pathetic now, let this thread die, there is no reason for it...

You idiots realize how many MORE people are going to start tea bagging now right? Myself included....

Rylana · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Just remember. All those a******** that are teabagging you or taunting you or making fun of you in this game, you could beat the cr** out of in real life it they tried the same thing. That's why they do it online.

Sure, I'm a sensitive guy and don't do PvP or MMO's for a reason (because the majority of players are immature little pr*** with entitled attitudes and superiority complexes IMO), but, come on guys. I have to agree that it is just a game.

If you've ever been actually bullied in real life - you know, actually beaten up or abused, this stuff is all fluff. It's just words. Sure they hurt, but, they are just words. Move on. Maybe it's because I'm older that I learned a long time ago the whole "Sticks and Stones" thing. Cyber bullying is a terrible thing because you can't get away from it - okay, you can - turn off your dern devices! But it's nothing new. Many of us had the same thing going on, only in person, when we were young (and some of us even today).

Just believe in yourself. Don't worry about what those other haters think of you. It takes a thick skin to survive in this world. People, on the whole, are not nice and do not have your best interests at heart, so ignore them. Just relish the ones you find that actually do!

Pretty sure there isnt a single person that plays this game that could take me in an IRL fight XD

Oh come on. Not a single person? Not even one?

Heh theyd have to be pretty meaty, and able to break my tolerance, which is ridiculously high from years in a foundry in my younger years.

Hope499 · July 2015

Kurimugann wrote: »

Why are you guys still on that. Ok fine you win!!! Being sensitive is BAD, being an insensitive jerk is GOOD! If I say no, it does not matter. Do you really really REALLY need to make me feel like <word that ZM would ban me for> not matter what I do and say like Everyone.Has.ALWAYS.DONE.SINCE.ELEMENTAL.SCHOOL. I can't help it being sensitive! Does that make me a SISSY? A FAILED HUMAN!? A REASON FOR YOU TO DISLIKE HUMANITY!? Just say it, like many havbe done before, you hate me, you think I should be gone because I am pathetic

Who needs friends and guildmates when deadric AIs are nicer than real people.

Now someone close this thing please!

Settle down...

All anyone is saying, is that its a video game, and people tea bag in good humor in video games. For over a decade now.

It is not directed at anyone is particular, you are not singled out, you are just another player on the screen who could be ANYONE.

Dont let it affect you nearly so much, it truly is not important....

Why are you playing a video game where you murder people with blunt and sharpened weapons, or bows and fire? Dont think this is a game for you man, sorry (at least the PvP)

Sallington · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »

Really can't be arsed to read 7 pages of this but it's all down to age : kids.....eventually will become adults , hopefully decent ones.

I'm sure this was said a lot in this thread but I just wanted to add that hopefully ppl will grow up,

(and just maybe a little bit I blame the parents. )

Im 32 years old and have a great life with a great career and I am one of the first people to tea bag. Other people around my age have stated a very similar thing so its not age. Its about playing a game and having a little fun. The people complaining about stuff like this are the same people that complain about not receiving "participation awards" or trophies for last place. Grow a spine, you aren't special and the world does not need to accommodate your every need.

I consider tea bagging similar to joking with your buddies if your playing a sport of some kind. It's the same thing as trash talking. It can be light-hearted and in good fun.

In a game when you're on the opposing faction, it's harder to trash talk. So maybe I'll pretend I'm putting my privates on your forehead. We can still be friends.

You do realize that most of the "teabagging" behavior is not directed at your "buddies", don't you? Sure, it's one thing to have such razzing amongst friends, but, when used on someone you do not know and is not your "buddy", it could be perceived as just plain old bad sportsmanship and many of the people who are doing it aren't doing it in "good fun", they are doing it simply to be hurtful. Have you listened to the banter that goes on, even in supposedly affiliated groups? It's pretty raw and inappropriate sometimes.

By it's very nature, ESO as an MMO and in groupings is with strangers, not with "buddies". If we truly consider those folks that we only know online as our "buddies", personally, I think I would need to get out more.

I guess that's my problem for assuming everyone is playing the game to have a good time.

BBSooner · July 2015

For those offended, I'm curious what the proposed solution would be. The animation being used in the taunt is the stealth animation. Clearly they aren't getting rid of stealth, nor should any restrictions be placed on it being used in quick succession as it impacts actual game play.

Policing such behavior would easily be abused by players simply upset that they died. So, beyond this whole meta-game "your taunt makes my feels hurt, lets step up as a community and shame people for taunting" (which won't happen, clearly people have different opinions on the subject), what would ZOS do for this "problem"?

OrangeTheCat · July 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

For those offended, I'm curious what the proposed solution would be. The animation being used in the taunt is the stealth animation. Clearly they aren't getting rid of stealth, nor should any restrictions be placed on it being used in quick succession as it impacts actual game play.

Policing such behavior would easily be abused by players simply upset that they died. So, beyond this whole meta-game "your taunt makes my feels hurt, lets step up as a community and shame people for taunting" (which won't happen, clearly people have different opinions on the subject), what would ZOS do for this problem?

Well, I've often thought that a player registry would be a good start at limiting the downside of internet anonymity and absence of consequences. Going in to the details of how that would work is way off topic though but I can totally see how it would work but it requires active participation by game makers.

strikeback1247 · July 2015

I summon thee, great ZoS Moderators! I hereby request you to close this thread of sadness, trolling and nonsense! Now let us pray to the Internet gods that this troll-bait/whine thread will be destroyed...

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

For the record I'm a 300 pound man with a background in various martial arts that has been in dozens of fist fights over the years ... mostly in my younger days. So like Rylana said above, be careful just assuming. Some of us are rather large and skilled.

Agree, 6'6" former rugby player with a black belt. Still, ya gotta admit. There are other ways to take us big guys down than a fist fight, and some of the weenies know how to use 'em.

Sweep the leg! A good leg sweep has gotten me out of a few situations.

BBSooner · July 2015

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

For those offended, I'm curious what the proposed solution would be. The animation being used in the taunt is the stealth animation. Clearly they aren't getting rid of stealth, nor should any restrictions be placed on it being used in quick succession as it impacts actual game play.

Policing such behavior would easily be abused by players simply upset that they died. So, beyond this whole meta-game "your taunt makes my feels hurt, lets step up as a community and shame people for taunting" (which won't happen, clearly people have different opinions on the subject), what would ZOS do for this problem?

Well, I've often thought that a player registry would be a good start at limiting the downside of internet anonymity and absence of consequences. Going in to the details of how that would work is way off topic though but I can totally see how it would work but it requires active participation by game makers.

So, basically "sign in with Facebook", more or less? That still doesn't do anything to reprimand the player in-game beyond "he/she said it happened".

Hope499 · July 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

That still doesn't do anything to reprimand the player in-game beyond "he/she said it happened".

There doesn't need to be any reprimand for anyone...its virtual, with fictional and virtual characters...doing a fictional animation....in a make belief world....

This is so damn silly now....close this idiotic thread....

OrangeTheCat · July 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

For those offended, I'm curious what the proposed solution would be. The animation being used in the taunt is the stealth animation. Clearly they aren't getting rid of stealth, nor should any restrictions be placed on it being used in quick succession as it impacts actual game play.

Policing such behavior would easily be abused by players simply upset that they died. So, beyond this whole meta-game "your taunt makes my feels hurt, lets step up as a community and shame people for taunting" (which won't happen, clearly people have different opinions on the subject), what would ZOS do for this problem?

Well, I've often thought that a player registry would be a good start at limiting the downside of internet anonymity and absence of consequences. Going in to the details of how that would work is way off topic though but I can totally see how it would work but it requires active participation by game makers.

So, basically "sign in with Facebook", more or less? That still doesn't do anything to reprimand the player in-game beyond "he/she said it happened".

Except that it would be incumbent upon the game makers to keep track of players who get reported in-game and for what and then decide if that player deserves to have a demerit recorded against their player registry account (which is a separate site) and the reason for the demerit. Combined with making each player's player registry account publically available and available in game better informs group formation, ignore lists, etc. and could even be enforced by the game makers in-game (like not auto grouping with people who reach a certain demerit threshold) - the idea here being to try and have consequences for sufficiently bad behavior. But it would never happen because it would require dedicated support by game makers.

BBSooner · July 2015

Hope499 wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

That still doesn't do anything to reprimand the player in-game beyond "he/she said it happened".

There doesn't need to be any reprimand for anyone...its virtual, with fictional and virtual characters...doing a fictional animation....in a make belief world....

This is so damn silly now....close this idiotic thread....

ZOS will step in and punish a player for harassment. My point is that even if a player considers it harassment (note: I do not) there is no way to verify that anything actually happened.

Hope499 · July 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

That still doesn't do anything to reprimand the player in-game beyond "he/she said it happened".

There doesn't need to be any reprimand for anyone...its virtual, with fictional and virtual characters...doing a fictional animation....in a make belief world....

This is so damn silly now....close this idiotic thread....

ZOS will step in and punish a player for harassment. My point is that even if a player considers it harassment (note: I do not) there is no way to verify that anything actually happened.

Ahhhh okay, yea I agree. Even if they made some insane rule not to tea-bag...be a little tough to enforce.

DenMoria · July 2015

Kurimugann wrote: »

Why are you guys still on that. Ok fine you win!!! Being sensitive is BAD, being an insensitive jerk is GOOD! If I say no, it does not matter. Do you really really REALLY need to make me feel like <word that ZM would ban me for> not matter what I do and say like Everyone.Has.ALWAYS.DONE.SINCE.ELEMENTAL.SCHOOL. I can't help it being sensitive! Does that make me a SISSY? A FAILED HUMAN!? A REASON FOR YOU TO DISLIKE HUMANITY!? Just say it, like many havbe done before, you hate me, you think I should be gone because I am pathetic

Who needs friends and guildmates when deadric AIs are nicer than real people.

Now someone close this thing please!

Wow! What a reaction! Kudo's! I'm definitely going to try to emulate that during my next hissy fit.

No, but seriously. It's nothing personal. We all pretty much agree that it can be hurtful to have things like this happen, even in an online environment. Unfortunately, it's the reality of our age and we just need to let it roll off.

BTW - being sensitive does not make you a Sissy or a Failed Human. It just means your sensitive. That's all. And that's a good thing.

Take it from a misanthrope. Truly disliking humanity is a lot more that this silly stuff.

We're not all jerks. Sure, some of us are, but not everyone. Sometimes it truly is in good fun.

A lot of us act out online because of our own insecurities. Honestly, it's nothing personal. A lot of us out there, particularly in the MMO communities are young too. I know it's no excuse, but it takes time to become boring old fogies and, sometimes we just ask silly and don't think about how it makes others feel.

Rest assured, the majority of folk out there in the EOS community are great folks and definitely worth having as friends. Those who aren't? Meh... f*** 'em. They aren't worth your time anyhow.

And, yes, we can close this now. We're just talking in circles.

Elitetownie · July 2015

I would gladly be know publicly as a tea bagger. In fact they should add it as a title option in game. Then even before i drop people in pvp they would know the BAGS ARE COMING!

DenMoria · July 2015

Hope499 wrote: »

Man...people still crying about tea bagging in a damn game...

This is beyond sad and pathetic now, let this thread die, there is no reason for it...

You idiots realize how many MORE people are going to start tea bagging now right? Myself included....

Is there a reason why you are reacting like such a jerk? While you are correct, is it really necessary to denigrate other folks for their beliefs and call them names?

I do like your graphic though.

Rylana · July 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

For the record I'm a 300 pound man with a background in various martial arts that has been in dozens of fist fights over the years ... mostly in my younger days. So like Rylana said above, be careful just assuming. Some of us are rather large and skilled.

Agree, 6'6" former rugby player with a black belt. Still, ya gotta admit. There are other ways to take us big guys down than a fist fight, and some of the weenies know how to use 'em.

Sweep the leg! A good leg sweep has gotten me out of a few situations.

I teach you to sweep Daniel-San

*hands broom*

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2015

I only teabag teabaggers. Seems fitting to give them their own medicine. Typically itll send them into a rage and theyll spend their entire time trying to hunt you down rather then spend their time enjoying the game.

psicorpb16_ESO · July 2015

Anyone who is 32 with a great career and a great life that considers virtually humping up and down on a virtual dead body And considers themselves an adult ..... Well I'll bow out now gracefully my friend, my apologies I really did not mean to offend, you obviously live in a different world to me. (I'm 42 and guess I'm getting old)

Very sorry

DenMoria · July 2015

Sallington wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »

Really can't be arsed to read 7 pages of this but it's all down to age : kids.....eventually will become adults , hopefully decent ones.

I'm sure this was said a lot in this thread but I just wanted to add that hopefully ppl will grow up,

(and just maybe a little bit I blame the parents. )

Im 32 years old and have a great life with a great career and I am one of the first people to tea bag. Other people around my age have stated a very similar thing so its not age. Its about playing a game and having a little fun. The people complaining about stuff like this are the same people that complain about not receiving "participation awards" or trophies for last place. Grow a spine, you aren't special and the world does not need to accommodate your every need.

I consider tea bagging similar to joking with your buddies if your playing a sport of some kind. It's the same thing as trash talking. It can be light-hearted and in good fun.

In a game when you're on the opposing faction, it's harder to trash talk. So maybe I'll pretend I'm putting my privates on your forehead. We can still be friends.

You do realize that most of the "teabagging" behavior is not directed at your "buddies", don't you? Sure, it's one thing to have such razzing amongst friends, but, when used on someone you do not know and is not your "buddy", it could be perceived as just plain old bad sportsmanship and many of the people who are doing it aren't doing it in "good fun", they are doing it simply to be hurtful. Have you listened to the banter that goes on, even in supposedly affiliated groups? It's pretty raw and inappropriate sometimes.

By it's very nature, ESO as an MMO and in groupings is with strangers, not with "buddies". If we truly consider those folks that we only know online as our "buddies", personally, I think I would need to get out more.

I guess that's my problem for assuming everyone is playing the game to have a good time.

Well played grasshopper! Well played.

DenMoria · July 2015

strikeback1247 wrote: »

I summon thee, great ZoS Moderators! I hereby request you to close this thread of sadness, trolling and nonsense! Now let us pray to the Internet gods that this troll-bait/whine thread will be destroyed...

Okay. I agreed with you up until your second sentence. Name calling and denigrating is not exactly conducive to bolstering your case.

Leandor · July 2015

It is sad and no credit to this community that a topic about derogatory behaviour results in more bullying than was initially admonished.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , please get this topic locked and sunk. It serves no purpose other than ridiculing the OPs concern and is chock-full of despicable behaviour.

DenMoria · July 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

For the record I'm a 300 pound man with a background in various martial arts that has been in dozens of fist fights over the years ... mostly in my younger days. So like Rylana said above, be careful just assuming. Some of us are rather large and skilled.

Agree, 6'6" former rugby player with a black belt. Still, ya gotta admit. There are other ways to take us big guys down than a fist fight, and some of the weenies know how to use 'em.

Sweep the leg! A good leg sweep has gotten me out of a few situations.

I also know quite a few ladies that have figured out that us guys are really just as sensitive as anyone else. At least in one location.

olemanwinter · July 2015

What I have noticed is that the WORSE THE PLAYER.....the more they gloat.

I never get teab@gged by good players. It's always that guy who killed you 6 v 1 and he didn't even get the killing blow who comes over and tries to put you in your place.

And it bothers me, but not because it makes me feel bad, but only because it's a shame that people go through life so delusional.

I never gloat over bodies....ever. Because I consider my level of play to be effective gloating, to be effective trolling.

It's always these guys who rarely win a fight that feel the need to bask in the glow of their rare, fluke victory.

yodased · July 2015

There is a level of decorum that should be shown throughout any interaction with other humans.

The fact that you are online in a fictional space does not negate that there are people behind the avatars, some of which have serious attachment to the avatar.

Whether you feel the same way about the situation really isn't relevant in this context.

We are social beings, which is why these games thrive in the first place right? The way I look at teabagging is the same way I look at the "bundle of sticks" word and the "uneducated and ignorant" word. Both of these words are socially unacceptable, but many people use them in close proximity to those they know won't be offended by it.

The "teabag" specifically is more than a celebration.

Dancing, shoveling, sweeping, music, clapping, jeering whatever is a celebration.

Intentionally doing something that has a connotation of sexual assault is not a form of celebration to a lot of people.

Think about what you are actually pretending to do, putting your exposed virtual private parts on the head of another "person".

Yes, it is "fake", but the implication of threat is real.

It comes down to realizing that there are quite a few people that look at the act as derogatory and demeaning. Yes it is a competitive arena and it is not meant to be hugs and flowers, but there are limits.

My main point is if you know that something you are doing either in life or in virtual world truly bothers people, why would you continue to do it?

Elitetownie · July 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

What I have noticed is that the WORSE THE PLAYER.....the more they gloat.

I never get teab@gged by good players. It's always that guy who killed you 6 v 1 and he didn't even get the killing blow who comes over and tries to put you in your place.

And it bothers me, but not because it makes me feel bad, but only because it's a shame that people go through life so delusional.

I never gloat over bodies....ever. Because I consider my level of play to be effective gloating, to be effective trolling.

It's always these guys who rarely win a fight that feel the need to bask in the glow of their rare, fluke victory.

I think your correct about this. I do it when i know it was an unfair gank way more often then if I win a 1 on 1. You know why? Cause its absurd to gloat in this instance and thats why its funny.