Thanks for this post @Germtrocity. I might complain about CP in Non-Vet PvP but we have never had issue like this in Blackwater. I honestly don't even know how you guys duel there.

german's good, this is an arms race and these hacks are old, and you can visibly see most ppl using them. Anyone arguing they are more imba than nirn is just a fool. They need to fix the game ...

Valnas wrote: »

german's good, this is an arms race and these hacks are old, and you can visibly see most ppl using them. Anyone arguing they are more imba than nirn is just a fool. They need to fix the game ...

People also need to stop exploiting the game...especially people who are good enough that they don't need exploits to help them win or be a better player. Just because there are exploits and ZOS isn't quick to fix them, doesn't justify using them.

He opened the door when he started talking about the semantics of his exploiting. Is Nirn more OP than these exploits? Sure, but is Nirn actually an exploit?

Valnas wrote: »

german's good, this is an arms race and these hacks are old, and you can visibly see most ppl using them. Anyone arguing they are more imba than nirn is just a fool. They need to fix the game ...

No, the OP is more than skilled enough to win fights without the use of exploits. Just because they are "old" and "other people use them" doesn't mean the OP should do the same.

Instead of being one of the greats in this game, the OP is no different than those two EP we all know to much about.

#Asterisk

Germtrocity wrote: »

A video showcasing how broken the current game is and all *some* people can do is just jump on me because I am using an overload bug which I would estimate around 70% or so of sorcerers are using in one way or another, and a double mundus stone which has also grown in use (I would say at least 1 in 4 people I see are using it now that I know what it is and what to look for).

Yet people are still running around wearing full nirnhoned which (in my opinion) is obscenely broken in comparison to these small boosts - yet nothing has even been done in months of people abusing the hell out of it. Ask anyone sensible and they will agree they think nirnhoned is broken.

I have seen tons of threads concerning double mundus and the overload bug popping up lately, so can we not derail this thread, please? If you would like to rant about all the horrible things I have done, you can just send me a private forum message. And also, I don't like to point fingers at anyone, and I really think that he is a great guy, but since we are mentioning other top tier players, sypher and a lot of other great duelists aren't exactly the "white knights" you would want to think they are in terms of abuse of shall we call them "game mechanics".

There are lots of reasons for people to dislike me, calling me out publicly in an attempt to make yourself look altruistic or something is just laughable. Though I think it will be funny to see how many people drop their second mundus stone and just hope that everything leading up to it went under the radar. Because as it is currently, I would go as far as to say 1 in 4 or 5 people are using it now, and since this is available to all players, I can see the popularity of it growing until it is as far reaching as the overload thing was for sorcerers. Except this is for the general population and not just one class.

As far as exploits go, the only thing I truly see as gamebreaking is nirnhoned, which I will always refuse to use on any class I play seriously. Mundus stones are small buffs by design, and the only reason I use apprentice in the first place is because of nirnhoned. So one of mine is already essentially useless if anyone is not abusing nirnhoned (which most people are shamelessly).

As far as I am concerned I could have 5 mundus stones, bound armor and inner light on my overload bar, and I would still be at a greater disadvantage to someone not using any of those stated things if they are just using full nirnhoned.

And just a disclaimer, I am not attempting to justify myself to anyone, I feel perfectly justified already by choosing to not abuse nirnhoned. This is my opinion on how the current "game mechanics" work. I feel nirnhoned is one of the only things truly broken, and in my opinion apprentice is useless against anyone not using nirnhoned. So against anyone else not abusing nirnhoned, we are on an equal playing field. When nirnhoned comes into play, even with a double mundus I am still at a disadvantage.

But pick and choose your reason to dislike me all you want, just don't look at other top tiered players with rose colored glasses because you like them more than me, thanks.


Now, back to re-railing this thread, if we may? (private message me if you must)

You sound like the trashy people who riot after someone gets killed by a cop.

"Some other guy got killed and he kinda looks like me! I'm angry! Better burn this car and steal this radio, that'll show 'em!"

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Taking advantage of a bug isn't really exploiting.

That would be like saying magicka based melee attacks ignoring dodge being used and abused is exploiting.

Wearing all nirnhorned certainly isn't, oddly enough the reason to do it is due to so many sorcs and templars abusing the hell out of spell pen (double mundus, nirnweapons etc) that they hit you like a mack truck if you don't. There is a difference between getting one shot by some of these stat stacking double mundus abusers ultimates and not, and nirnhorned is it.

Now abusing certain systems to force buffs to remain when they ought not, that's exploiting... but it's relatively minor imo.

Thing is, the heavy nerfing that's incoming for sorcs is likely due to so many exploiting the buff system. On paper without exploits it's pretty hard to balance defensive sorc versus offensive; but when you can take two mundus stones and can keep a free 10% spell crit (or stealth detection) or even the permanent armor and max stamina/magicka from the armor buff, it tips the scales. Those things compound something minor into something major.

I've seen how hard Arcane hits, and it's done by exploiting. He doesn't think so, but he also thinks nirnhorned is exploiting... when if you face someone like him and you aren't nirned out... he gibs you and you are victim 26 in his video series extolling how awesome he is. If you stack nirn you are what didn't make into the video.

Now pulling your pagefile via a script tied to a macro to create lag so you can triple hit someone, that's really exploiting. But some do it because they can or because they have to. K--vez does it... he abuses it like it makes him cool. He's still around isn't he, and he's been doing it for nearly a year. So even major exploits are not being punished.... The craziest thing is people actually say things like he's just a really good player. In many cases the very good players are also the ones abusing the system the most.

You have a band of miscreants on Azura that obviously decided to take the server or make it into Thornblade v2. They just went and made it into Thornblade v2 by sitting in ash towers and spamming aes over and over and over... But they weren't the first ones doing that... Most of us are quite aware and/or have screenshots or videos of a certain EP guild and it's sister guilds doing the same exact thing. Thing is by abusing this, they get to take the server. That's the way they choose to play, and it's pathetic.

The fact that Blixxxy is around and running around still unkillable every night shows you what's up with ZOS. Yah I hear the bs rumors, the he's friends with the head of CS or whatever nonsense people want to make up (or in his case he tells them, making it up). He's a toxic player, and he's still around. The "Lord" of two mundus stones, perma armor buff not on bar and super macroes is still around, and he's regarded as a great player as is his squire with the silent partner that bots about him as he ranges from taking no damage when you attack him (well, nearly no damage) and wholesale gibbing people before they can even react. You think "the squire of the lord" isn't double mundus, full nirn, with a bot in tow? Really?

How about that templar that phases through the stairs in outposts and keeps? Or the guys running under the ground with only their head showing. I've seen them, I'm not blind.

The worst thing that can happen to a great game, is apathy from the developer.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Taking advantage of a bug isn't really exploiting.

That would be like saying magicka based melee attacks ignoring dodge being used and abused is exploiting.

Wearing all nirnhorned certainly isn't, oddly enough the reason to do it is due to so many sorcs and templars abusing the hell out of spell pen (double mundus, nirnweapons etc) that they hit you like a mack truck if you don't. There is a difference between getting one shot by some of these stat stacking double mundus abusers ultimates and not, and nirnhorned is it.

Now abusing certain systems to force buffs to remain when they ought not, that's exploiting... but it's relatively minor imo.

Thing is, the heavy nerfing that's incoming for sorcs is likely due to so many exploiting the buff system. On paper without exploits it's pretty hard to balance defensive sorc versus offensive; but when you can take two mundus stones and can keep a free 10% spell crit (or stealth detection) or even the permanent armor and max stamina/magicka from the armor buff, it tips the scales. Those things compound something minor into something major.

I've seen how hard Arcane hits, and it's done by exploiting. He doesn't think so, but he also thinks nirnhorned is exploiting... when if you face someone like him and you aren't nirned out... he gibs you and you are victim 26 in his video series extolling how awesome he is. If you stack nirn you are what didn't make into the video.

Now pulling your pagefile via a script tied to a macro to create lag so you can triple hit someone, that's really exploiting. But some do it because they can or because they have to. K--vez does it... he abuses it like it makes him cool. He's still around isn't he, and he's been doing it for nearly a year. So even major exploits are not being punished.... The craziest thing is people actually say things like he's just a really good player. In many cases the very good players are also the ones abusing the system the most.

You have a band of miscreants on Azura that obviously decided to take the server or make it into Thornblade v2. They just went and made it into Thornblade v2 by sitting in ash towers and spamming aes over and over and over... But they weren't the first ones doing that... Most of us are quite aware and/or have screenshots or videos of a certain EP guild and it's sister guilds doing the same exact thing. Thing is by abusing this, they get to take the server. That's the way they choose to play, and it's pathetic.

The fact that Blixxxy is around and running around still unkillable every night shows you what's up with ZOS. Yah I hear the bs rumors, the he's friends with the head of CS or whatever nonsense people want to make up (or in his case he tells them, making it up). He's a toxic player, and he's still around. The "Lord" of two mundus stones, perma armor buff not on bar and super macroes is still around, and he's regarded as a great player as is his squire with the silent partner that bots about him as he ranges from taking no damage when you attack him (well, nearly no damage) and wholesale gibbing people before they can even react. You think "the squire of the lord" isn't double mundus, full nirn, with a bot in tow? Really?

How about that templar that phases through the stairs in outposts and keeps? Or the guys running under the ground with only their head showing. I've seen them, I'm not blind.

The worst thing that can happen to a great game, is apathy from the developer.

Amen dude. Thank you.

FENGRUSH is righteous indignation.

Rylana wrote: »

I dont condone the use of exploits/bugs/etc to achieve success in gameplay in any format no matter how much I like or respect the player.

That being said, German would wreck just about everyone in this thread with trash gear found on some NPC somewhere. Unlike most people on le forumzzzz, he actually understands game mechanics and how to play his class. So just quit with the high and mighty righteous indignation, people.

Just saying.

Which is exactly what makes this worse...he's a very skilled dueler who doesn't need to exploit, but he does it anyways.

I also don't really see how it's relevant that he could beat some of the people posting here? Just because he's good means he shouldn't be called out for exploiting?

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Takllin wrote: »

10/10 for exploit justification...

Also last I checked Nirn wasn't classified as a bug by ZoS, just that it was over powered and needed a nerf. Just because something is OP doesn't make it a bug.

Sad and pathetic. Just because other people use them doesn't mean you should.

As for the lag, while it's unfortunate it is what it is for now. People will exploit it because they are bad and it's the only way they can take a keep. Outside of refusing to help those on your alliance which do this, there isn't much we can do until they fix it. Hoping the IC update brings some of it down.

It´s sad either way but it´s becoming the norm. Wether it´s classified a bug or simply not a working as intended mechanic - if you (ab)use the living hell out of one or the other it´s pretty clear that you don´t want an even playingfield but try to get every advantage you can get.
I can relate to the thought process of both sides.

In the end it´s ZOS who´s to blame because they don´t bother to fix obviously broken stuff for MONTHS and have a "eyesandearclosed" mentality when it comes to bugabuse.

Ultimately they are at fault for allowing it to persist in the game, but the players have the choice to not abuse it.

So personal responsibility doesn't come into play? What about integrity? What about respecting other players and not using these exploits against opposing factions? If everyone gets disgusted enough and Cyrodiil becomes even less populated, is that a 'win' for those left standing around?

Is ZOS to blame for the bugs? Yes but using them (rampantly) 'because they are there' isn't justification, it's an immature, petulant excuse.

Uhhhh what? I don't think you understood what I wrote...did you read what I posted earlier? I've clearly stated I am against exploiting and that while the bugs are there, players should not abuse them.

Sorry, I did misread what you wrote! Doh, one of those days. My apologies.

No worries haha, I read what you said and was about to say woah settle down there, we're on the same side here!

I want double mundus! Teach meeee!!

Rylana wrote: »

I dont condone the use of exploits/bugs/etc to achieve success in gameplay in any format no matter how much I like or respect the player.

That being said, German would wreck just about everyone in this thread with trash gear found on some NPC somewhere. Unlike most people on le forumzzzz, he actually understands game mechanics and how to play his class. So just quit with the high and mighty righteous indignation, people.

Just saying.

Everybody knows that he is a good player. That does not to be re-established. That doesn't change the fact that he uses exploits to boost himself further. Sorry some of us aren't as good at game mechanics and how to play our classes. I know you elite types like to stick together, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

Rylana wrote: »

I dont condone the use of exploits/bugs/etc to achieve success in gameplay in any format no matter how much I like or respect the player.

That being said, German would wreck just about everyone in this thread with trash gear found on some NPC somewhere. Unlike most people on le forumzzzz, he actually understands game mechanics and how to play his class. So just quit with the high and mighty righteous indignation, people.

Just saying.

Oh Rylana, I love you, but I do not agree with you at all.

I've never once said the OP was not a skilled player, because that would be an outright lie. The OP is one of the best players I've seen play the sorcerer, the issue, is someone this good is resorting to exploiting when he doesn't need to whatsoever. Its just mind boggling why the OP is using these exploits!

In the end, while the OP made this post to show lag, we found out the real issue with Cyrodiil. The multitude of exploits that need to be fixed.

We are living in the Exploit Era of Cyrodiil.