The Current State of Cyrodiil

JTorus · July 2015

@ZOS_Julien

You've been busy in this thread making edits on everyone's some posts. Might we be illuminated as to which particular sections of the rules have been infracted?

Simply editing someone's post and not at least leaving a [redacted] may erode relationships between ZOS and the players. We totally get this is a private establishment and not a Free speech **** Yeah! sort of environment, but perhaps a friendly explanation would ensure the particulars aren't repeated in another place?

(Edit: I see that you've added something afterwards, thanks. It gets to be worrisome when seeing that a post has been edited without explanation. Thanks)

Psilent · July 2015

CITADALO wrote: »

38k magika cause you are using 2 mundus stone bug, gg.

What race is he? 38k Magicka is easy for Altmer/Breton.

rfennell_ESO · July 2015

Psilent wrote: »

CITADALO wrote: »

38k magika cause you are using 2 mundus stone bug, gg.

What race is he? 38k Magicka is easy for Altmer/Breton.

Lol he has inner light up, not on either bar. Has two mundus stones shown under buffs, and we know he aint using twice born star set.

Both are exploits.

Ezareth · July 2015

First Bolterity and now him? /sigh

How many other sorcs are using this garbage I wonder? No wonder so few other sorcs use power overload lol.

Psilent · July 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

CITADALO wrote: »

38k magika cause you are using 2 mundus stone bug, gg.

What race is he? 38k Magicka is easy for Altmer/Breton.

Lol he has inner light up, not on either bar. Has two mundus stones shown under buffs, and we know he aint using twice born star set.

Both are exploits.

My apologies, I was at work and could not watch the video. Now that I have, I can clearly see mage light, but nothing on his bar, so that means he's using the Overload exploit and he has two mundus stones, so he's using the Twice-Born Star exploit.

Wow, total loss of respect for you OP; why don't we try this video again without the use of exploits? Lets get it right this time! Someone like you should not be using these exploits, everything I've seen of you is now thrown out the window.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we please get this videos to the developers so we can get these exploits fixed in the next major content patch?

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

rfennell_ESO · July 2015

Psilent wrote: »

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

It's more than you would even suspect.

Nearly every "look at me I'm awesome" poster here (except probably Sypher) is likely using these. Sure, they will deny everything... they always do and always will.

JTorus · July 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

It's more than you would even suspect.

Nearly every "look at me I'm awesome" poster here (except probably Sypher) is likely using these. Sure, they will deny everything... they always do and always will.

It's probably one of, if not the most discouraging things in the game at this point. It's not even so much the exploits themselves, but that they're all but blatantly allowed.

ZOS literally does nothing to discourage exploiting and cheating. Nothing.

Germtrocity · July 2015

A video showcasing how broken the current game is and all *some* people can do is just jump on me because I am using an overload bug which I would estimate around 70% or so of sorcerers are using in one way or another, and a double mundus stone which has also grown in use (I would say at least 1 in 4 people I see are using it now that I know what it is and what to look for).

Yet people are still running around wearing full nirnhoned which (in my opinion) is obscenely broken in comparison to these small boosts - yet nothing has even been done in months of people abusing the hell out of it. Ask anyone sensible and they will agree they think nirnhoned is broken.

I have seen tons of threads concerning double mundus and the overload bug popping up lately, so can we not derail this thread, please? If you would like to rant about all the horrible things I have done, you can just send me a private forum message. And also, I don't like to point fingers at anyone, and I really think that he is a great guy, but since we are mentioning other top tier players, sypher and a lot of other great duelists aren't exactly the "white knights" you would want to think they are in terms of abuse of shall we call them "game mechanics".

There are lots of reasons for people to dislike me, calling me out publicly in an attempt to make yourself look altruistic or something is just laughable. Though I think it will be funny to see how many people drop their second mundus stone and just hope that everything leading up to it went under the radar. Because as it is currently, I would go as far as to say 1 in 4 or 5 people are using it now, and since this is available to all players, I can see the popularity of it growing until it is as far reaching as the overload thing was for sorcerers. Except this is for the general population and not just one class.

As far as exploits go, the only thing I truly see as gamebreaking is nirnhoned, which I will always refuse to use on any class I play seriously. Mundus stones are small buffs by design, and the only reason I use apprentice in the first place is because of nirnhoned. So one of mine is already essentially useless if anyone is not abusing nirnhoned (which most people are shamelessly).

As far as I am concerned I could have 5 mundus stones, bound armor and inner light on my overload bar, and I would still be at a greater disadvantage to someone not using any of those stated things if they are just using full nirnhoned.

And just a disclaimer, I am not attempting to justify myself to anyone, I feel perfectly justified already by choosing to not abuse nirnhoned. This is my opinion on how the current "game mechanics" work. I feel nirnhoned is one of the only things truly broken, and in my opinion apprentice is useless against anyone not using nirnhoned. So against anyone else not abusing nirnhoned, we are on an equal playing field. When nirnhoned comes into play, even with a double mundus I am still at a disadvantage.

But pick and choose your reason to dislike me all you want, just don't look at other top tiered players with rose colored glasses because you like them more than me, thanks.

Now, back to re-railing this thread, if we may? (private message me if you must)

Psilent · July 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

It's more than you would even suspect.

Nearly every "look at me I'm awesome" poster here (except probably Sypher) is likely using these. Sure, they will deny everything... they always do and always will.

What's really funny, is the OP claims to want fair good fights, but clearly doesn't show it in this video. I remember a post a few months ago that he was upset about losing a tournament because the opponents wore 7/7 Nirnhoned. Then I see this video and just laugh, hypocrite.

Germtrocity · July 2015

Psilent wrote: »

What's really funny, is the OP claims to want fair good fights, but clearly doesn't show it in this video. I remember a post a few months ago that he was upset about losing a tournament because the opponents wore 7/7 Nirnhoned. Then I see this video and just laugh, hypocrite.

wut, I haven't all of a sudden put on full nirnhoned, and this isn't even an open world or a dueling video, this is showing lag on the server... wut ?

Joy_Division · July 2015

Psilent wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

CITADALO wrote: »

38k magika cause you are using 2 mundus stone bug, gg.

What race is he? 38k Magicka is easy for Altmer/Breton.

Lol he has inner light up, not on either bar. Has two mundus stones shown under buffs, and we know he aint using twice born star set.

Both are exploits.

My apologies, I was at work and could not watch the video. Now that I have, I can clearly see mage light, but nothing on his bar, so that means he's using the Overload exploit and he has two mundus stones, so he's using the Twice-Born Star exploit.

Wow, total loss of respect for you OP; why don't we try this video again without the use of exploits? Lets get it right this time! Someone like you should not be using these exploits, everything I've seen of you is now thrown out the window.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we please get this videos to the developers so we can get these exploits fixed in the next major content patch?

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

I just assume everybody I face in Cyrodiil uses every advantage the game engine will allow. Hoping for otherwise will lead to such disappointment.

frozywozy · July 2015

Germtrocity wrote: »

A video showcasing how broken the current game is and all *some* people can do is just jump on me because I am using an overload bug which I would estimate around 70% or so of sorcerers are using in one way or another, and a double mundus stone which has also grown in use (I would say at least 1 in 4 people I see are using it now that I know what it is and what to look for).

Yet people are still running around wearing full nirnhoned which (in my opinion) is obscenely broken in comparison to these small boosts - yet nothing has even been done in months of people abusing the hell out of it. Ask anyone sensible and they will agree they think nirnhoned is broken.

I have seen tons of threads concerning double mundus and the overload bug popping up lately, so can we not derail this thread, please? If you would like to rant about all the horrible things I have done, you can just send me a private forum message. And also, I don't like to point fingers at anyone, and I really think that he is a great guy, but since we are mentioning other top tier players, sypher and a lot of other great duelists aren't exactly the "white knights" you would want to think they are in terms of abuse of shall we call them "game mechanics".

There are lots of reasons for people to dislike me, calling me out publicly in an attempt to make yourself look altruistic or something is just laughable. Though I think it will be funny to see how many people drop their second mundus stone and just hope that everything leading up to it went under the radar. Because as it is currently, I would go as far as to say 1 in 4 or 5 people are using it now, and since this is available to all players, I can see the popularity of it growing until it is as far reaching as the overload thing was for sorcerers. Except this is for the general population and not just one class.

As far as exploits go, the only thing I truly see as gamebreaking is nirnhoned, which I will always refuse to use on any class I play seriously. Mundus stones are small buffs by design, and the only reason I use apprentice in the first place is because of nirnhoned. So one of mine is already essentially useless if anyone is not abusing nirnhoned (which most people are shamelessly).

As far as I am concerned I could have 5 mundus stones, bound armor and inner light on my overload bar, and I would still be at a greater disadvantage to someone not using any of those stated things if they are just using full nirnhoned.

And just a disclaimer, I am not attempting to justify myself to anyone, I feel perfectly justified already by choosing to not abuse nirnhoned. This is my opinion on how the current "game mechanics" work. I feel nirnhoned is one of the only things truly broken, and in my opinion apprentice is useless against anyone not using nirnhoned. So against anyone else not abusing nirnhoned, we are on an equal playing field. When nirnhoned comes into play, even with a double mundus I am still at a disadvantage.

But pick and choose your reason to dislike me all you want, just don't look at other top tiered players with rose colored glasses because you like them more than me, thanks.

Now, back to re-railing this thread, if we may? (private message me if you must)

I would not use nirnhoded either if I had a 14k shield and an escape move at my disposal.

I only use 2pieces though.

JamilaRaj · July 2015

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

I came to ESo with 2 PvP guilds of about 60 people, not one of them has logged in in the last 6 months because of the lag.

The sheer amount of people that have left the game because of lag or unfixed bugs is insane, the amount of lost potential revenue is mind boggling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOvkjksXuoM

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Bashing & Slanderous Comments]

Very insightful. Apaprently one has to go for heavy resto attacks in zegrier campaigns and avoid postern doors.

EDIT: hm, no, destro seem to be more reliable.

Poxheart · July 2015

rendolpheb16_ESO wrote: »

I only log to do my crafting quest these last day considering the lag make the game unplayable in Cyrodiil.

In those situation I would just grind CP so I'll be stronger later when everything will be stabilze, but I lose faith honestly.

Exactly. I've given up even grinding CP because I don't see myself returning to this game unless there are some significant improvements.

Psilent · July 2015

Germtrocity wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

What's really funny, is the OP claims to want fair good fights, but clearly doesn't show it in this video. I remember a post a few months ago that he was upset about losing a tournament because the opponents wore 7/7 Nirnhoned. Then I see this video and just laugh, hypocrite.

wut, I haven't all of a sudden put on full nirnhoned, and this isn't even an open world or a dueling video, this is showing lag on the server... wut ?

You missed the point.

You claim that Nirnhoned is an exploit and players should not be using it, but yet here you are clear as day exploiting two mundus stones and inner light. Those aren't minor exploits, they are pretty huge! Which is why I called you a hypocrite; you say you don't like exploits like Nirnhoned, but yet you turn around and are using exploits! Wut?

Inner Light - If you want the full function of this ability, you need to reserve three slots; two on your primary and secondary weapon and a third on your overload bar. With this exploit, you easily are able to fit TWO additional skills on your primary and secondary bars! That's not minor, that's major! How I wish I didn't have to waste three ability slots on inner light, but I have to because its how the game was designed with that ability. This gives you a clear advantage over the other three classes that cannot do this, how is that a fair and good fight?

Mundus Stone - Another major exploit that you're using, because the tradeoff is wearing a set we all know is absolute garbage except for the five piece. You have a choice, Apprentice for Spell Penetration to damage players with high spell resist, Atronach for resource regeneration, and Mage for max magicka. If you fear Nirnhoned, then you should choose Apprentice and base your build around it. Not exploit and find a workaround to acquire the Mage/Atronach stone! Yes, having the Apprentice is big, I use zero nirnhoned, but have 19k spell resist, with your setup, its like I'm naked against magicka damage. However, you get the added benefit of having a larger shield stack due to Mage Stone, so I have to work harder to beat you because of your use of two mundus stones. Those two stones allow you to do a lot of damage to me and make it much harder for me to kill you, and some times, fights come down to a few hundred hit points! This gives you a clear advantage over other players, how is this a good and fair fight?

You're a very skilled player and one of the best I've ever seen play the sorcerer. Why resort to using exploits when you DO NOT need to use them? You're better than this, you don't need them to win, you can beat everyone without them! Do yourself a favor and remove them and play the game the way it was intended, which is if you want two mundus stones, wear the set. If you want to use inner light, slot it on all three ability bars.

Just because other people are abusing game mechanics, doesn't mean its right for you to do so as well. Be the better player!

hammayolettuce · July 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

It's more than you would even suspect.

Nearly every "look at me I'm awesome" poster here (except probably Sypher) is likely using these. Sure, they will deny everything... they always do and always will.

Its pretty obvious when you watch peoples videos on who use the exploits now and who doesn't. For example, sypher tried to be slick and removed his mudus from showing on his sorc so people couldn't see he is using two now.

Many people who you would deem "trust worthy" are actually fully aware of these exploits early on and use them anytime they please. Do not think for a second that just because someone is popular they wont resort to cheese like this for an advantage.

Sypher · July 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

It's more than you would even suspect.

Nearly every "look at me I'm awesome" poster here (except probably Sypher) is likely using these. Sure, they will deny everything... they always do and always will.

Its pretty obvious when you watch peoples videos on who use the exploits now and who doesn't. For example, sypher tried to be slick and removed his mudus from showing on his sorc so people couldn't see he is using two now.

Many people who you would deem "trust worthy" are actually fully aware of these exploits early on and use them anytime they please. Do not think for a second that just because someone is popular they wont resort to cheese like this for an advantage.

So many shots in one post. I'm extremely transparent with my builds and strategy, how the hell would I get away with an exploit?

Don't just throw punches because you aren't sure what's hitting you.

Stikato · July 2015

The fact that so many players are exploiting is far more disheartening than the lag.

This is ridiculous.

FENGRUSH · July 2015

Sypher wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

It's more than you would even suspect.

Nearly every "look at me I'm awesome" poster here (except probably Sypher) is likely using these. Sure, they will deny everything... they always do and always will.

Its pretty obvious when you watch peoples videos on who use the exploits now and who doesn't. For example, sypher tried to be slick and removed his mudus from showing on his sorc so people couldn't see he is using two now.

Many people who you would deem "trust worthy" are actually fully aware of these exploits early on and use them anytime they please. Do not think for a second that just because someone is popular they wont resort to cheese like this for an advantage.

So many shots in one post. I'm extremely transparent with my builds and strategy, how the hell would I get away with an exploit?

Don't just throw punches because you aren't sure what's hitting you.

Reported just to be safe.

hammayolettuce · July 2015

Sypher wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

It's more than you would even suspect.

Nearly every "look at me I'm awesome" poster here (except probably Sypher) is likely using these. Sure, they will deny everything... they always do and always will.

Its pretty obvious when you watch peoples videos on who use the exploits now and who doesn't. For example, sypher tried to be slick and removed his mudus from showing on his sorc so people couldn't see he is using two now.

Many people who you would deem "trust worthy" are actually fully aware of these exploits early on and use them anytime they please. Do not think for a second that just because someone is popular they wont resort to cheese like this for an advantage.

So many shots in one post. I'm extremely transparent with my builds and strategy, how the hell would I get away with an exploit?

Don't just throw punches because you aren't sure what's hitting you.

Why up until 2 weeks ago did you show your mundus on your buff bar and now you don't?

Sypher · July 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

#RevertToBeta

Sypher wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

In total disbelief now that you of all people would use these exploits. Wow....

It's more than you would even suspect.

Nearly every "look at me I'm awesome" poster here (except probably Sypher) is likely using these. Sure, they will deny everything... they always do and always will.

Its pretty obvious when you watch peoples videos on who use the exploits now and who doesn't. For example, sypher tried to be slick and removed his mudus from showing on his sorc so people couldn't see he is using two now.

Many people who you would deem "trust worthy" are actually fully aware of these exploits early on and use them anytime they please. Do not think for a second that just because someone is popular they wont resort to cheese like this for an advantage.

So many shots in one post. I'm extremely transparent with my builds and strategy, how the hell would I get away with an exploit?

Don't just throw punches because you aren't sure what's hitting you.

Why up until 2 weeks ago did you show your mundus on your buff bar and now you don't?

I've removed many things that I don't need cluttering my screen. I stream daily and show my stats/mundus when discussing my builds and what I'm running.

Again, you're making accusations based off me changing my UI set up? I wish you could still see other player's buffs when you look at them so this wasn't an issue.

I know it would definitely help crack the blinshy and Bixop of Soul problem we have.

Cinnamon_Spider · July 2015

The current state of Cyrodiil is an appropriate title. Nearly everyone is using exploits to gain an advantage. I'd rather die a thousand deaths to an exploiter, or leave the game, before doing so myself.

All of these exploits need to be corrected.

Laggus · July 2015

I never jumped on the Nirnhoned bandwagon and wear zero pieces but after seeing everything here it will actually encourage people who don't wear it to seriously reconsider. If as the OP claims and including himself "70%" of Sorcs are using exploits and bugs then everyone should be wearing as much Nirnhoned as possible. No wonder i'm getting destroyed by so many Sorcs. Very disappointing to see anyone using exploits and worse to try and justify it because you think most others are.

SkylarkAU · July 2015

When given the option some people will do the right thing while others wont, that's just the way it goes. Ultimately its @ZOS responsibility to ensure the integrity of the game.. I hope they get it right in 1.7.

Soulac · July 2015

I'm not a fan of undodgeable 10k Concealed hits and such things, so I wear enough nirn parts to get slightly over the cap.
Seriously, even a single Jesus beam brings me down to 50%.
Actually I don't see Nirn as an exploit, more like something being overpowered, but in the current state of the game many things are op. Nirnhoned basically does what the tooltip says.

But using stuff like two mundusstones or sharpened maces.. Rly?

Psilent · July 2015

Soulac wrote: »

I'm not a fan of undodgeable 10k Concealed hits and such things, so I wear enough nirn parts to get slightly over the cap.
Seriously, even a single Jesus beam brings me down to 50%.
Actually I don't see Nirn as an exploit, more like something being overpowered, but in the current state of the game many things are op. Nirnhoned basically does what the tooltip says.

But using stuff like two mundusstones or sharpened maces.. Rly?

Have to agree with you on Nirnhoned not being an exploit. Which just makes the argument on using real exploits to get around it, even worse.

Baseball is in the steroid era, guess The current state of Cyrodiil is the Exploit Era.

Derra · July 2015

Soulac wrote: »

I'm not a fan of undodgeable 10k Concealed hits and such things, so I wear enough nirn parts to get slightly over the cap.
Seriously, even a single Jesus beam brings me down to 50%.
Actually I don't see Nirn as an exploit, more like something being overpowered, but in the current state of the game many things are op. Nirnhoned basically does what the tooltip says.

But using stuff like two mundusstones or sharpened maces.. Rly?

That´s all a matter of perception really. I could not care less if someone is using two mundus, sharpened maces or the overload bug - 7 pieces of nirnhoned however is gamebreaking. And it´s aknowleged as not working as it was intended when it was changed with 1.6...

Nirn is completely in the same"exploit" ballpark with the other things mentioned and out of all it´s tied with sharpened maces for the most powerful bug/exploit/mechanic that is NOT WORKING AS INTENDED.

Etaniel · July 2015

Derra wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

I'm not a fan of undodgeable 10k Concealed hits and such things, so I wear enough nirn parts to get slightly over the cap.
Seriously, even a single Jesus beam brings me down to 50%.
Actually I don't see Nirn as an exploit, more like something being overpowered, but in the current state of the game many things are op. Nirnhoned basically does what the tooltip says.

But using stuff like two mundusstones or sharpened maces.. Rly?

That´s all a matter of perception really. I could not care less if someone is using two mundus, sharpened maces or the overload bug - 7 pieces of nirnhoned however is gamebreaking. And it´s aknowleged as not working as it was intended when it was changed with 1.6...

Nirn is completely in the same"exploit" ballpark with the other things mentioned and out of all it´s tied with sharpened maces for the most powerful bug/exploit/mechanic that is NOT WORKING AS INTENDED.

Of course you don't care about the sharpened maces, you have no armor anyways xD I'll make a video soon showing how ridiculous the damage gets

EskimoBrother · July 2015

Fatalyis wrote: »

jeez. I haven't logged into ESO in over a month due to sh*t like this and I don't plan to anytime soon. Been following the forums in hopes that there will be some type of miracle but it's starting to look pretty grim. That lag just made it a complete waste of time for me.

Yep same here

hoping IC changes things for PC but i reallllly doubt it will at this point. They said 1.6 was supposed to improve performance and it made it much worse.

Joy_Division · July 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

I'm not a fan of undodgeable 10k Concealed hits and such things, so I wear enough nirn parts to get slightly over the cap.
Seriously, even a single Jesus beam brings me down to 50%.
Actually I don't see Nirn as an exploit, more like something being overpowered, but in the current state of the game many things are op. Nirnhoned basically does what the tooltip says.

But using stuff like two mundusstones or sharpened maces.. Rly?

That´s all a matter of perception really. I could not care less if someone is using two mundus, sharpened maces or the overload bug - 7 pieces of nirnhoned however is gamebreaking. And it´s aknowleged as not working as it was intended when it was changed with 1.6...

Nirn is completely in the same"exploit" ballpark with the other things mentioned and out of all it´s tied with sharpened maces for the most powerful bug/exploit/mechanic that is NOT WORKING AS INTENDED.

Of course you don't care about the sharpened maces, you have no armor anyways xD I'll make a video soon showing how ridiculous the damage gets

We care about sharpened maces. I'm pretty sure the poster didn't care for the fine distinctions people justify when choosing certain exploits are "fair" while others somehow aren't when things are not working as intended.