Poor Sportmanship/Bulling

Azurulia · July 2015

OLIVI3R wrote: »

I have noticed that people on these forums are way too 'sensitive'. People get upset about millions of things and now, it is teabagging, being called an idiot in chat etc..

Internet resources are on average not a very friendly place to be, it is not a Christmas dinner or a trip to a Sunday church service. Take Dota 2 or any other game, there are always poor mannered players around, and ESO has surely one of the friendliest communities, although often carebearing.

People who play this game are generally 20+ yrs old, employed and have children. And I am absolutely frustrated how those 'mature' people are feeling insecure due to someone dancing on their corpse in Cyrodil. If you cannot take a virtual offence in the form of an emote, then I feel sorry for you.

This is a multiplayer game involving competition. If some people feel like performing an emote over your corpse, why should you be so outraged, to start a forum discussion on this topic? No one has a right to teach anyone their morals or tell them how to behave, it is not a kindergarten, it's a mmo which is full of different people which are free to behave however they want (I am, of course not including obvious restrictions such as racism etc). And if you want to play this game, you shall learn to deal with it. This community has to harden up because people are getting offended by ridiculous things.

(P.S. - if a random 12yr old would kick you in the foot irl on the street, or a teenager would tell you to **** off, would you feel demoralised? Would you come back home In tears and begin a forum post about kids offending you? If not, why would you do that in game?)

Tell me about it. People really need to lighten up.

Why so serious?

RedTalon · July 2015

I sometimes just do the pushup emote on dead bodies, and also will summon crows to snack on corpses, it encourages fast re-spawns and only do them after a keep is taken, just don't like seeing dead bodies left over when no one is coming to re-spawn the foes in a secure keep But don't do it outside of that really, pointless to really

Brrrofski · July 2015

Yeh, teabagging is childish.

But if that bothers you, you must really struggle in the big bad mean world. Honestly, I cannot fathom how it upsets you. It get's me amped up wanting revenge on the guy. Upset seems a bit far though.

Anyway, I'm too mature to do that... I do the grave digging emote. Or the sweeping brush one if a ballistia has turned you to ash. Sometimes a few press ups to hump your corpse. Never teabag though.

Sallington · July 2015

RedTalon · July 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, teabagging is childish.

But if that bothers you, you must really struggle in the big bad mean world. Honestly, I cannot fathom how it upsets you. It get's me amped up wanting revenge on the guy. Upset seems a bit far though.

Anyway, I'm too mature to do that... I do the grave digging emote. Or the sweeping brush one if a ballistia has turned you to ash. Sometimes a few press ups to hump your corpse. Never teabag though.

True it does tend to get you targeted next time around doing any emotes on dead bodies, have gotten targeted by a group once or twice for doing it was a grand chase also they caught me while on horse, but couldn't knock me off so ended up chasing me over the map a little till I went in a keep

Metal10957 · July 2015

OMG.. could you cry a lil more? plz

Woman · July 2015

Tea-bagging is an TESO tradition since the beta PvP. It's not really meant as an insult, since teabagging usually signifies that the person is proud they killed you. I get teabagged all the time when I die and I usually whisper the person doing so and it's rare we don't become friends after. I know we all come from different cultures and that- but I think some people should work on not taking things in this game so literally. We are all having fun and honestly- sometimes when I'm frustrated that I die and someone does a /push-up on my corpse it actually makes me feel better since I have a good laugh and kind of breaks the ice.

Honestly if you consider that bullying than I can't imagine youve seen legitimate cyber bullying in your life. It's actually a really disgusting thing that ruins lives and comparing someone simulating funny sexual addicts with pixels to that is incredibly illogical.

BrosephMcDudeBro · July 2015

OLIVI3R wrote: »

(P.S. - if a random 12yr old would kick you in the foot irl on the street, or a teenager would tell you to **** off, would you feel demoralised? Would you come back home In tears and begin a forum post about kids offending you? If not, why would you do that in game?)

While I agree with your point, I caution you to compare online teabagging with physically striking a person. This is what we in the legal profession like to call "false equivalence." The two are not the same and the law treats them entirely differently.

Also, continuing with a legal assessment of OP's characterization of his victimization, the law does not recognize hyper-sensitive complainants. The fact that YOU take umbrage with someone teabagging your digital avatar does not matter. A reasonable person would not feel the same outrage/despair resulting from being teabagged in a video game. Therefore, the law would NOT outlaw digital teabagging because the infinitesimally small, albeit vocal, minority can't stand it.The policy reasons are clear: we don't want the hypersensitive people -- those who are not representative of the majority -- to dictate how laws/rules are written. Now apply this line of reasoning to ESO and you arrive at a sensible conclusion as to why this does not amount to bullying and should not be considered a violation of the TOS.

VoidBlue · July 2015

What I can't believe is how one little comment as "I dislike being teabagged" has been so over blown and so many wrong conclusions have been made about said comment. It's just crazy how the human mind works with drawing conclusions out of no where and taking more information that wasn't even there because your mind is weird like that. "I dislike being teabagged" didn't have any hidden meaning or agenda, it was just merely a statement of how someone just finds its to their disliking, that's all nothing else.

drzycki_ESO · July 2015

Think of it as a way of finding out who the immature morons are. /broom is funny. /shovel is funny. Teabagging is not funny.

OnThaLoose · July 2015

Yea I'll never understand this. People are idiots that think is funny or an achievement to taunt, tea bag, or whatever. But to tell the truth, I couldn't care less. If ppl are dumb enough to do that ***, they're not worth my time. I didn't let stupid ppl bother me.

RavenSkylord · July 2015

BrosephMcDudeBro wrote: »

OLIVI3R wrote: »

(P.S. - if a random 12yr old would kick you in the foot irl on the street, or a teenager would tell you to **** off, would you feel demoralised? Would you come back home In tears and begin a forum post about kids offending you? If not, why would you do that in game?)

While I agree with your point, I caution you to compare online teabagging with physically striking a person. This is what we in the legal profession like to call "false equivalence." The two are not the same and the law treats them entirely differently.

Also, continuing with a legal assessment of OP's characterization of his victimization, the law does not recognize hyper-sensitive complainants. The fact that YOU take umbrage with someone teabagging your digital avatar does not matter. A reasonable person would not feel the same outrage/despair resulting from being teabagged in a video game. Therefore, the law would NOT outlaw digital teabagging because the infinitesimally small, albeit vocal, minority can't stand it.The policy reasons are clear: we don't want the hypersensitive people -- those who are not representative of the majority -- to dictate how laws/rules are written. Now apply this line of reasoning to ESO and you arrive at a sensible conclusion as to why this does not amount to bullying and should not be considered a violation of the TOS.

Laws currently are filled with things that most reasonable people would call trifling, applying any kind of logical argument that a law wouldn't exist, when we pay people to make laws and nothing else, is in itself inaccurate. Many laws exist solely for the purpose of making money, for example a police officer in most states can ticket you for not having a trash bag in your car and some havr laws on the books limiting sexual positioningl which insofacto can be interpreted to be violated in any media setting.

lathbury · July 2015

VoidBlue wrote: »

What I can't believe is how one little comment as "I dislike being teabagged" has been so over blown and so many wrong conclusions have been made about said comment. It's just crazy how the human mind works with drawing conclusions out of no where and taking more information that wasn't even there because your mind is weird like that. "I dislike being teabagged" didn't have any hidden meaning or agenda, it was just merely a statement of how someone just finds its to their disliking, that's all nothing else.

erm it wasn't a little comment go re read the op highlights include where it is suggested it may cause people to become homicidal/suicidal.

Hope499 · July 2015

Man, this thread is turned into a pansy slap fest...

Grow a pair and move on...

Do you write into game companies and complain when a AI boss laughs at you when you die?

Like, man its a game, the ONLY reason I am going to START tea-bagin, is because of THIS THREAD.

lathbury wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

What I can't believe is how one little comment as "I dislike being teabagged" has been so over blown and so many wrong conclusions have been made about said comment. It's just crazy how the human mind works with drawing conclusions out of no where and taking more information that wasn't even there because your mind is weird like that. "I dislike being teabagged" didn't have any hidden meaning or agenda, it was just merely a statement of how someone just finds its to their disliking, that's all nothing else.

erm it wasn't a little comment go re read the op highlights include where it is suggested it may cause people to become homicidal/suicidal.

Yes...lets go off ourselves because we got VIRTUALLY TEA BAGGED.

At that point, they need to NEVER play games, get MEDICAL help, and maybe get institutionalized...

VoidBlue · July 2015

lathbury wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

What I can't believe is how one little comment as "I dislike being teabagged" has been so over blown and so many wrong conclusions have been made about said comment. It's just crazy how the human mind works with drawing conclusions out of no where and taking more information that wasn't even there because your mind is weird like that. "I dislike being teabagged" didn't have any hidden meaning or agenda, it was just merely a statement of how someone just finds its to their disliking, that's all nothing else.

erm it wasn't a little comment go re read the op highlights include where it is suggested it may cause people to become homicidal/suicidal.

Yes, it was a little comment. I was the one who made that comment in another thread that sparked this wild debate.

BrosephMcDudeBro · July 2015

RavenSkylord wrote: »

insofacto

Your honor... I rest my case.

Reverb · July 2015

You cannot control other people, you can only control your response to them.

The world and its people can not, and should not, be sanitized. You do not have the right to never be offended. People will sometimes act in ways that you find distasteful. If you are extremely uncomfortable when this happens, focus on reducing your emotional response, or remove yourself from the situation if possible.

You do have the right to live free of harassment and threats. Being harassed and threatened is not the se as being offended, and trying to paint one as the other does a serious disservice to people trying to fight legitimate bullying.

Tea bagging or other kill celebrations do not constitute harassment or threats. Receiving multiple tells from a person, or target tells from multiple people, is harassment. Report and ignore. Statements or actions alluding to physical harm, promoting self harm, intent to disparage ones character, personal or professional reputation, or financial security, all constitute threats. Report those immediately, and strongly. But again, tea bagging doesn't count.

Ok, I'm done. We can all return to our normal, offensive, irreverent online behavior now.

lathbury · July 2015

VoidBlue wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

What I can't believe is how one little comment as "I dislike being teabagged" has been so over blown and so many wrong conclusions have been made about said comment. It's just crazy how the human mind works with drawing conclusions out of no where and taking more information that wasn't even there because your mind is weird like that. "I dislike being teabagged" didn't have any hidden meaning or agenda, it was just merely a statement of how someone just finds its to their disliking, that's all nothing else.

erm it wasn't a little comment go re read the op highlights include where it is suggested it may cause people to become homicidal/suicidal.

Yes, it was a little comment. I was the one who made that comment in another thread that sparked this wild debate.

oh right well the op of this thread seems to have taken your statement and turned it up to 11. hence the debate

RedTalon · July 2015

And stuff like this is why some get confused over what real cyber-bullying is.

HeroOfNone · July 2015

I've been teabag get before and I have on rare occasions teabag get back (these days i just use /shovel). Coming from shooter games I view it little more than a taunt, something that is the equivalent of a "haha, better luck next time batman!" As the villain gets away. I realize that's not the way most feel, so I do try and keep it in check, friendly ribbing and taunting can be taken the wrong way quickly with the lack of a tone. But please realize most probably don't mean much more than that, they aren't trying to sexually harrass you or tell you that you're crap. My friend @yodased might have a different opinion on that, but he rarely comes to PC to PVP anymore.

Now the really disturbing issue I have found but have seen in decline (thankfully) are the enemy whispers like "you *** suck, quit the game, go kill yourself". I used to get these from certain individuals regardless of winning or losing a fight.there isn't any tone that will make that stuff better. I usually just report and ignore, but seeing that makes me wonder how many new players they infected with the mentality of "this is how PVP is". Hopefully others learned to mute them, and at least console players only hear it from their own faction.

demendred · July 2015

Tea bagging seems a little homoerotic. You want your privates in another man's mouth, or near his face.

RedTalon · July 2015

HeroOfNone wrote: »

I've been teabag get before and I have on rare occasions teabag get back (these das i just use /shovel). Coming from shooter games I view it little more than a taunt, something that is the equivalent of a "haha, better luck next time batman!" As the villain gets away. I realize that's not the way most feel, so I do try and keep it in check, friendly ribbing and taunting can be taken the wrong way quickly with the lack of a tone, but please realize most probably don't mean much more than that, they aren't trying to sexually *** you or tell you that you're crap. My friend @yodased might have a different opinion on that, but he rarely vomes to PC to PVP anymore.

Now the really disturbing issue I have found but have seen in decline are the enemy whispers like "you *** suck, quit the game, go kill yourself". I used to get these from certain individuals regardless of winning or losing a fight.there isn't any tone that will make that stuff better. I usually just report and ignore, but seeing that makes me wonder how many new players they infected with the mentality of "this is how PVP is". Hopefully others learned to mute them, and at least console players only hear it from their own faction

Remember why I keep whispers off somedays, but yeah the whispers some choose to do is more close to bullying then the emotes. Edit: Actually some of the whispers I have gotten in the past would fall under cyber bullying and the one you posted does

I can picture if consoles get text msg that problem is going to be back in full swing

Just my two crowns

Junipus · July 2015

6 pages of victim blaming.

No wonder the trolls are winning the internet.

Elitetownie · July 2015

Kurimugann wrote: »

How on earth does getting teabagged in a computer game make you feel demoralized and humiliated?

Because you know that there's a REAL PERSON on the other end who is laughing and gloating at you expense. It amazes me that this needs to be explained to anybody, but apparently it does.

Now then you juvenile people who seem not to understand the harm they do...The reason you get grounded for doing it in school or at home with your familly, that you get booed/punished/fired when you do that at work or in sport...THE reason is this..it's WRONG WRONG SO WRONG.
Just type "Words Hurts" in Youtube, there is a lot of videos and commercials on the matter and it would seem that you do not get the point. Words, action, they hurt even from a computer screen. I couldn't careless if Mannimarco kills me over and over and laugh at me and all, he is an AI programmed to be a d!**, but when it comes from another person, it's something else.
Not everyone can "ignore" or "get over it", not many can laugh it up either, heck I don't think this matter should be ignored. There are people out there, me included, who have never been able to build up that shield, that bulletproof vest that people tell us to build to take all the gun shots. People may go homicidal, maybe suicidal, yes it's extreme but it happens! when people can shout server wide that another person is a "Pathetic Looser that will never be as good as they(the speaker) are" (No really I am quoting someone, an actual player who said that) without facing repercussion, something is wrong.

Oh and don't you dare pull the "If you hate it so much, just stop" card cause NO, you are not bullying me out of a game that I like (again). I like the game, I hate the people. If people wont change then there should be a stronger punishment for them cause I swear cyberbullies are more hinderances to communities than me sucking at pvp will ever be.

I prefered making it a topic instead of going through all the Imperial city threads to make my point

Haha you get picked last in gym class!

P.S I didnt even read this, aint nobody got time for that!

R1ckyDaMan · July 2015

To be fair if you kill the persons character you deserve a little dance

Then again on bf4 I only t-bag if I get a knife kill...

If you don't want your virtual character to suffer this fate then don't die?

HxC · July 2015

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

6 pages of victim blaming.

No wonder the trolls are winning the internet.

Sad but true, and the worst is no one from ZOS moderation team coming to clean up the thread.

OrangeTheCat · July 2015

Kurimugann wrote: »

How on earth does getting teabagged in a computer game make you feel demoralized and humiliated?

Because you know that there's a REAL PERSON on the other end who is laughing and gloating at you expense. It amazes me that this needs to be explained to anybody, but apparently it does.

Now then you juvenile people who seem not to understand the harm they do...The reason you get grounded for doing it in school or at home with your familly, that you get booed/punished/fired when you do that at work or in sport...THE reason is this..it's WRONG WRONG SO WRONG.
Just type "Words Hurts" in Youtube, there is a lot of videos and commercials on the matter and it would seem that you do not get the point. Words, action, they hurt even from a computer screen. I couldn't careless if Mannimarco kills me over and over and laugh at me and all, he is an AI programmed to be a d!**, but when it comes from another person, it's something else.
Not everyone can "ignore" or "get over it", not many can laugh it up either, heck I don't think this matter should be ignored. There are people out there, me included, who have never been able to build up that shield, that bulletproof vest that people tell us to build to take all the gun shots. People may go homicidal, maybe suicidal, yes it's extreme but it happens! when people can shout server wide that another person is a "Pathetic Looser that will never be as good as they(the speaker) are" (No really I am quoting someone, an actual player who said that) without facing repercussion, something is wrong.

Oh and don't you dare pull the "If you hate it so much, just stop" card cause NO, you are not bullying me out of a game that I like (again). I like the game, I hate the people. If people wont change then there should be a stronger punishment for them cause I swear cyberbullies are more hinderances to communities than me sucking at pvp will ever be.

I prefered making it a topic instead of going through all the Imperial city threads to make my point

Did you see Braveheart? Remember the mooning scene? It's sort of like that, but before the fact as there is not much point at mooning a corpse. Teabagging is a taunt, like mooning. It's designed to tick you off. Now you can get bent out of shape about it if you really want to and go cry to the like minded on the forums. Or you can "suck it up" and get some revenge (and make the fights all that much better).

But name calling over a public chat? Yeah, I am in agreement with you there. Teabagging is a relatively private taunt and is ok in my book. But public shaming crosses the line and should be discouraged (probably by other people on chat shaming the shamer).

Elitetownie · July 2015

HxC wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

6 pages of victim blaming.

No wonder the trolls are winning the internet.

Sad but true, and the worst is no one from ZOS moderation team coming to clean up the thread.

Get a grip. This is a game. Acting like this is some big deal is what truely trivializes real bullying issues that matter in REAL LIFE. Im tired of you socially awkward people trying to ruin video games with your nanny state crap.

Pman85 · July 2015

Kurimugann wrote: »

How on earth does getting teabagged in a computer game make you feel demoralized and humiliated?

Because you know that there's a REAL PERSON on the other end who is laughing and gloating at you expense. It amazes me that this needs to be explained to anybody, but apparently it does.

Now then you juvenile people who seem not to understand the harm they do...The reason you get grounded for doing it in school or at home with your familly, that you get booed/punished/fired when you do that at work or in sport...THE reason is this..it's WRONG WRONG SO WRONG.
Just type "Words Hurts" in Youtube, there is a lot of videos and commercials on the matter and it would seem that you do not get the point. Words, action, they hurt even from a computer screen. I couldn't careless if Mannimarco kills me over and over and laugh at me and all, he is an AI programmed to be a d!**, but when it comes from another person, it's something else.
Not everyone can "ignore" or "get over it", not many can laugh it up either, heck I don't think this matter should be ignored. There are people out there, me included, who have never been able to build up that shield, that bulletproof vest that people tell us to build to take all the gun shots. People may go homicidal, maybe suicidal, yes it's extreme but it happens! when people can shout server wide that another person is a "Pathetic Looser that will never be as good as they(the speaker) are" (No really I am quoting someone, an actual player who said that) without facing repercussion, something is wrong.

Oh and don't you dare pull the "If you hate it so much, just stop" card cause NO, you are not bullying me out of a game that I like (again). I like the game, I hate the people. If people wont change then there should be a stronger punishment for them cause I swear cyberbullies are more hinderances to communities than me sucking at pvp will ever be.

I prefered making it a topic instead of going through all the Imperial city threads to make my point

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2015

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

6 pages of victim blaming.

No wonder the trolls are winning the internet.

Except that the only victim here is humor. Also I'm offended that tall people are better at basketball than I am. One even dunked on me once and stuck his tongue out. Because of this we should move all baskets to 5 feet high and ban tongues. Because meeeee!!!