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DawnBreaker of Smiting
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gitgud?Most_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
The thread isn't about the skill, but the fact that animation cancelling is allowing what's supposed to be a dot portion of the dmg to hit all at once with the initial dmg. This means you cannot purge it, because there is nothing to purge, the dot has already done all of its ticks when the first dmg is applied.
Edited by Zheg on July 21, 2015 2:49PM1 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
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Block it.
Purge it.
For some reason, these words caused Daft Punk's Technologic to get stuck in my head. I want you all to suffer along with me. Hear the words, feel them, let them worm their way into your brain.
Block it
Purge it
Spam it
Root it
Snipe it
Pulse it
Now Negate it
My work here is done.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche8 -
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✭✭✭Most_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
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lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
#MOREORBS1 -
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lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud1 -
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lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
23k health, 20k damage shields, holding block, 3 pieces of nirn
death recap - 21k dawnbreaker of smiting (initial hit), 8k dawnbreaker of smiting (dot)
Are you done being a jackass? Your defense of a broken ability is quite telling that youre one of the noobs crutching on it
Id even go so far as to bet youre one of those FOTM sorc players that never thought to even try the class until you heard it was strong after 1.6Edited by Rylana on July 21, 2015 3:00PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
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I'm a vampire and have never been hit for 20k with this skill, usually it's easy to know the combo to see it coming for it to be a killing blow.Most_Awesome wrote: »
lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud
I've only been killed by an emperor using it and it hit me for 23k. Which is prob what happened to you
And yes I used it because it's Magic Damage and I'm a templar speced into Magic Damage and everyone in Cyrodill is a Vampire.
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SturgeHammer✭✭✭✭are you sure that the dot get aplied instant? did you tried it out?
Or did the other player just critted you with 20k?
Initial 20k with dawnbreaker is not that hard btw.
I think it is only the first tick of the dot that gets applied simultaneously with the initial damage.First-in-Line - Swings-for-Lethal
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I'm a vampire and have never been hit for 20k with this skill, usually it's easy to know the combo to see it coming for it to be a killing blow.Most_Awesome wrote: »
lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud
I've only been killed by an emperor using it and it hit me for 23k. Which is prob what happened to you
And yes I used it because it's Magic Damage and I'm a templar speced into Magic Damage and everyone in Cyrodill is a Vampire.
There is no combo to it, you get close and push the button, boom headshot. Very common with gap closers and ambushblades. Stop acting like youre a better player than everyone else, because youre clearly not.@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
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Combo that usually breaks your block or stuns, you just listed two, gap closer and ambush -> Toppling Charge and Ambush, also usually comes after a stun from crystal frag.
I'm a vampire and have never been hit for 20k with this skill, usually it's easy to know the combo to see it coming for it to be a killing blow.Most_Awesome wrote: »
lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud
I've only been killed by an emperor using it and it hit me for 23k. Which is prob what happened to you
And yes I used it because it's Magic Damage and I'm a templar speced into Magic Damage and everyone in Cyrodill is a Vampire.
There is no combo to it, you get close and push the button, boom headshot. Very common with gap closers and ambushblades. Stop acting like youre a better player than everyone else, because youre clearly not.
A lot of QQ in here right now
Also people hitting for 20k+ are probably making use of Martial Knowledge 5pcEdited by Nifty2g on July 21, 2015 3:08PM#MOREORBS0 -
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If meteor did the same would you still defend it?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭The OP is wrong. It's only the first DoT tick that is applied instantly, not the whole DoT damage. It's still a bug that needs fixing.
Also it's been mentioned before. The skill is instant. That means the damage is applied as soon as you press the button and the animation starts to play. It's the same with every other instant skill without travel time.
Take Impulse or Flame Whip or Concealed Weapon or...any other instant skill. When you press the flame whip button, notice the damage logs. The damage is applied instantly, not when the whip hits the target. Difference there is the time gap between damage being applied and whip hitting is milliseconds. Most people don't notice it.
The issue with the Dawnbreaker animation is that it's absurdly long given that it's an instant skill. When the damage is applied, the sword is still in the air and your char is yelling. They need to trim the animation. Remove the sword lift and shout and go straight to the smash. That will remove the "perceived" desync between damage actually being applied and the sword smash animation being played.
For the OP, as with any instant skill, you can't react to the Dawbreaker. You are either blocking before it gets cast or you get hit by the full force. Hoping to block when the animation starts playing, is not going to work.EU | PC | AD3 -
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Combo that usually breaks your block or stuns, you just listed two, gap closer and ambush -> Toppling Charge and Ambush, also usually comes after a stun from crystal frag.
I'm a vampire and have never been hit for 20k with this skill, usually it's easy to know the combo to see it coming for it to be a killing blow.Most_Awesome wrote: »
lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud
I've only been killed by an emperor using it and it hit me for 23k. Which is prob what happened to you
And yes I used it because it's Magic Damage and I'm a templar speced into Magic Damage and everyone in Cyrodill is a Vampire.
There is no combo to it, you get close and push the button, boom headshot. Very common with gap closers and ambushblades. Stop acting like youre a better player than everyone else, because youre clearly not.
A lot of QQ in here right now
Do you even know what your on about
This skill is broken the DAMAGE OVER TIME part of the skill does not work
Let me explain this to you in simple form
Lets say the tool tip says you do 7k damage on the initial hit and then 6k D.O.T over 6 seconds
this in combat would be 7k damage taken >1sec 1k damage >2sec 1k damage >3sec 1k damage >4sec 1k damage >5sec 1k damage >6sec 1k damage
What part of doing 13k damage in 1 hit cant you see is broken?
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✭I thought some one had a hack, I got hit by dawn breaker, poison arrow, light attack, surprise attack, dawn breaker dead almost instantly.
I do believe in most of these cases, the user is abusing Macro's to get such a quick response, this should be addressed as well.
Yes I understand animation cancelling, I do it, but my fingers are not quick enough to copy what some are managing, some will argue that they are pressing the buttons that quick, which I call bull, as these are attacks that are taking place Miliseconds after each other, no ones fingers are that quick!1 -
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Combo that usually breaks your block or stuns, you just listed two, gap closer and ambush -> Toppling Charge and Ambush, also usually comes after a stun from crystal frag.
I'm a vampire and have never been hit for 20k with this skill, usually it's easy to know the combo to see it coming for it to be a killing blow.Most_Awesome wrote: »
lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud
I've only been killed by an emperor using it and it hit me for 23k. Which is prob what happened to you
And yes I used it because it's Magic Damage and I'm a templar speced into Magic Damage and everyone in Cyrodill is a Vampire.
There is no combo to it, you get close and push the button, boom headshot. Very common with gap closers and ambushblades. Stop acting like youre a better player than everyone else, because youre clearly not.
A lot of QQ in here right now
Also people hitting for 20k+ are probably making use of Martial Knowledge 5pc
No point to having five pieces. See again youre showing your knowledge of game mechanics is grossly lacking. Four pieces martial is the absolute max needed for a full spell damage build, the fifth piece is garbage because it is both cooldown gated and can proc off of anything you already have active (burning dots from destro, velocious, caltrops, a light attack weaved in by possible accident given the speed of PvP, any reactive ability, even some champion stars, etc)
but i digress, with 3100 spell damage and 32500 magicka on my current glass cannon setup, using empower and all the trimmings, I could probably hit over 25k myself. On a sorc, with lower ultimate cost plus former emp the cost is less than radial sweep and almost as low as death stroke, with a much larger CoE and potential for much greater damage as well.
You dont see the problem with this? I mean for real? This thing is worse than bats ever were, and those were nerfed like five times over the last year.
One last thought before I head off for the day - gap closers lock your target in place, once engaged that target is taking the hit, period. There is literally no reaction time possible. 1, R (or whatever two buttons you want to press = bam, done)Edited by Rylana on July 21, 2015 3:26PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
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✭This is one of those abilities I don't use because of broken crap like this. Yet still get bitched at because I use flawless and people trust the animation over the death recap.
I'd ask others to avoid using as well, but it seems to be the habit of PVPers that if it's broken, use it, and damn ed be any fun or challenging fights. Cause hey, we need out AP grind farm fast fast fast
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✭✭Most_Awesome wrote: »
Combo that usually breaks your block or stuns, you just listed two, gap closer and ambush -> Toppling Charge and Ambush, also usually comes after a stun from crystal frag.
I'm a vampire and have never been hit for 20k with this skill, usually it's easy to know the combo to see it coming for it to be a killing blow.Most_Awesome wrote: »
lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud
I've only been killed by an emperor using it and it hit me for 23k. Which is prob what happened to you
And yes I used it because it's Magic Damage and I'm a templar speced into Magic Damage and everyone in Cyrodill is a Vampire.
There is no combo to it, you get close and push the button, boom headshot. Very common with gap closers and ambushblades. Stop acting like youre a better player than everyone else, because youre clearly not.
A lot of QQ in here right now
Do you even know what your on about
This skill is broken the DAMAGE OVER TIME part of the skill does not work
Let me explain this to you in simple form
Lets say the tool tip says you do 7k damage on the initial hit and then 6k D.O.T over 6 seconds
this in combat would be 7k damage taken >1sec 1k damage >2sec 1k damage >3sec 1k damage >4sec 1k damage >5sec 1k damage >6sec 1k damage
What part of doing 13k damage in 1 hit cant you see is broken?
Gitgud less crutch
He obviously uses it. And he wouldn't be defending it so hard if it wasn't something that he relied on to "gitgud". You can't talk sense to people that rely on broken mechanics and exploits to play. It wouldn't surprise me if he used macros too. This comes to down to people not really being that "gud" to begin with and looking for any advantage they can. I actually feel pity for them.:trollin:1 -
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✭✭✭Most_Awesome wrote: »
Combo that usually breaks your block or stuns, you just listed two, gap closer and ambush -> Toppling Charge and Ambush, also usually comes after a stun from crystal frag.
I'm a vampire and have never been hit for 20k with this skill, usually it's easy to know the combo to see it coming for it to be a killing blow.Most_Awesome wrote: »
lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud
I've only been killed by an emperor using it and it hit me for 23k. Which is prob what happened to you
And yes I used it because it's Magic Damage and I'm a templar speced into Magic Damage and everyone in Cyrodill is a Vampire.
There is no combo to it, you get close and push the button, boom headshot. Very common with gap closers and ambushblades. Stop acting like youre a better player than everyone else, because youre clearly not.
A lot of QQ in here right now
Do you even know what your on about
This skill is broken the DAMAGE OVER TIME part of the skill does not work
Let me explain this to you in simple form
Lets say the tool tip says you do 7k damage on the initial hit and then 6k D.O.T over 6 seconds
this in combat would be 7k damage taken >1sec 1k damage >2sec 1k damage >3sec 1k damage >4sec 1k damage >5sec 1k damage >6sec 1k damage
What part of doing 13k damage in 1 hit cant you see is broken?
Gitgud less crutch
That doesn't happen. Enough people have explained what actually happens by now, in this very thread. Continuing to spread this theory of yours is spreading intentionally misleading information.
You're confusing crits and extra vamp damage with the DoT being applied instantly. Please do some testing and come back.
Only the first DoT tick is applied instantly NOT the whole DoT damage.Edited by Maulkin on July 21, 2015 3:27PMEU | PC | AD0 -
SC0TY999✭✭✭✭@ZOS_BrianWheeler how is this not considered an exploit and not been hot fixed? If @ZOS intended for Damage Over Time effects to be cancelled out with animation cancelling and applied immediately then why put a timed effect on it?
Any "side effect" of the game that bypasses the spells original design/time IMO is an exploit and should be hot fixed asap. It clearly isn't how @ZOS intended that spell to work.....
Going from 22k health to dead in 1 second should never occur in this game. When you look at your death recap and have 5 hits from the same player with all different spells is clearly an exploit and not working as intended. Will these issues be fixed with the PVP changes coming with Imperial City?
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✭✭✭One last thought before I head off for the day - gap closers lock your target in place, once engaged that target is taking the hit, period. There is literally no reaction time possible. 1, R (or whatever two buttons you want to press = bam, done)
Incorrect
When your attacker presses his gap closer button what happens is you are rooted (like talons) and silenced (like negate). That means you can't cast and you can't walk. You can still dodge or block the charge, if there's no lag.
In fact, being suddenly rooted is the best indicator that there is a charge incoming, giving you a chance to block or dodge it.Edited by Maulkin on July 21, 2015 3:42PMEU | PC | AD0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »It's a broken skill whats hard to comprehend about that?
If meteor did the same would you still defend it?
I don't even pvp bro, when I do I hardly use dawnbreaker, usually just use meteor and novaeventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Most_Awesome wrote: »
Combo that usually breaks your block or stuns, you just listed two, gap closer and ambush -> Toppling Charge and Ambush, also usually comes after a stun from crystal frag.
I'm a vampire and have never been hit for 20k with this skill, usually it's easy to know the combo to see it coming for it to be a killing blow.Most_Awesome wrote: »
lol nah hes standing there with no shields and no block then complaining an ultimate is hitting him for 20kMost_Awesome wrote: »
If you are hit you take the dot damage tick, unless you're a sorc.
Shooting Star / Ice CometMost_Awesome wrote: »
wrong, shooting star and morphs does not have a dot. it is a single tareged spell with a detonation area witch affect more targets arround, andafter the detonation it puts a groundeffect on the ground and deals additional dmg every second if you dont move out.
Either way, OP needs to learn to block Dawnbreaker, it's never been a problem until recently because people decided to use it then you get the crowd of people QQing that they can't block or blame it on perma blocking.
Simple solution in 2 easy steps
Block it.
Purge it.
Are you for real.......how can you block something that you cant see IT IS A INSTANT 20K DAMAGE......It is the same as having a fully buffed Focus aim from stealth hitting you with no animation
This is why damage shields exist. Harness Magicka will block DB easily if you keep it up, and get you magicka back as well.
Its ok, its clear who has to run this skill to gitgud
I've only been killed by an emperor using it and it hit me for 23k. Which is prob what happened to you
And yes I used it because it's Magic Damage and I'm a templar speced into Magic Damage and everyone in Cyrodill is a Vampire.
There is no combo to it, you get close and push the button, boom headshot. Very common with gap closers and ambushblades. Stop acting like youre a better player than everyone else, because youre clearly not.
A lot of QQ in here right now
Do you even know what your on about
This skill is broken the DAMAGE OVER TIME part of the skill does not work
Let me explain this to you in simple form
Lets say the tool tip says you do 7k damage on the initial hit and then 6k D.O.T over 6 seconds
this in combat would be 7k damage taken >1sec 1k damage >2sec 1k damage >3sec 1k damage >4sec 1k damage >5sec 1k damage >6sec 1k damage
What part of doing 13k damage in 1 hit cant you see is broken?
Gitgud less crutch
He obviously uses it. And he wouldn't be defending it so hard if it wasn't something that he relied on to "gitgud". You can't talk sense to people that rely on broken mechanics and exploits to play. It wouldn't surprise me if he used macros too. This comes to down to people not really being that "gud" to begin with and looking for any advantage they can. I actually feel pity for them.
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✭✭✭✭✭But in all honesty, you are wrong with this, the tooltip states it deals x amount of damage to enemies in front of you and an additional 8616 damage over 4 seconds. IT DOES NOT specify if the damage happens once every 0.5 seconds, therefore the DoT happens instantly.
It also deals 60% additional to daedra and undead (vampires).
This skill also applies to the passives within fighters guild
Slayer: Increases weapon and spell damage by 9% when attacking undead and daedra
Skilled Tracker: Allows your fighters guild abilities that affect daedra and undead to also affect werewolves.
NOTHING is broken just people unable to comprehend tooltips and passives.Edited by Nifty2g on July 21, 2015 3:49PM#MOREORBS0 -
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✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »If you don't pvp, don't comment on stuff you don't know about then, you can block all you want, you can't block the Dot and it happens instantly ...
Stop. Posting. Rubbish.
Only the 1st tick happens instantly. That's like 1.5k of damage. That's not what's gonna kill you.
What kills people is the instant damage which is blockable.
Why do so many people post with certainty about stuff they clearly have not tested is beyond me.Edited by Maulkin on July 21, 2015 3:53PMEU | PC | AD0 -
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You have to lay it out and all the passives then explain to them in great detail on why an ability is hitting as hard as it is as an ultimate.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »If you don't pvp, don't comment on stuff you don't know about then, you can block all you want, you can't block the Dot and it happens instantly ...
Stop. Posting. Rubbish.
Only the 1st tick happens instantly. That's like 1.5k of damage. That's not what's gonna kill you.
What kills people is the instant damage which is blockable.
Why do some many people post with certainty about stuff they clearly have not tested is beyond me.
People can't read or test things usually to know why that ability is used. ESO lacks a lot of theorycrafting.#MOREORBS0 -
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✭✭✭But in all honesty, you are wrong with this, the tooltip states it deals x amount of damage to enemies in front of you and an additional 8616 damage over 4 seconds. IT DOES NOT specify if the damage happens once every 0.5 seconds, therefore the DoT happens instantly.
It also deals 60% additional to daedra and undead (vampires).
This skill also applies to the passives within fighters guild
Slayer: Increases weapon and spell damage by 9% when attacking undead and daedra
Skilled Tracker: Allows your fighters guild abilities that affect daedra and undead to also affect werewolves.
NOTHING is broken just people unable to comprehend tooltips and passives.
The skill is bugged.
The first tick should not be applied instantly. No other skill behaves that way and when Fire Trebs behaved that way at the start of 1.6, they got hot fixed.
It's not that the skill is not bugged. It's just that it's not bugged in the way the OP thinks it is.Edited by Maulkin on July 21, 2015 3:56PMEU | PC | AD0 -
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It doesn't state whether or not the damage is applied instantly or not. Therefore we can't say if it is bugged or not. My tooltip just says x magic damage over 4 seconds. No other tooltip is worded like that I believe. They are usually worded; Take x amount of damage every x second for x seconds.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »But in all honesty, you are wrong with this, the tooltip states it deals x amount of damage to enemies in front of you and an additional 8616 damage over 4 seconds. IT DOES NOT specify if the damage happens once every 0.5 seconds, therefore the DoT happens instantly.
It also deals 60% additional to daedra and undead (vampires).
This skill also applies to the passives within fighters guild
Slayer: Increases weapon and spell damage by 9% when attacking undead and daedra
Skilled Tracker: Allows your fighters guild abilities that affect daedra and undead to also affect werewolves.
NOTHING is broken just people unable to comprehend tooltips and passives.
The skill is bugged.
The first tick should not be applied instantly. No other skill behaves that way and when Fire Trebs behaved that way at the start of 1.6, they got hot fixed.
It's not that the skill is not bugged. It's just that it's not bugged in the way the OP thinks it is.
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It doesn't state whether or not the damage is applied instantly or not. Therefore we can't say if it is bugged or not. My tooltip just says x magic damage over 4 seconds. No other tooltip is worded like that I believe. They are usually worded; Take x amount of damage every x second for x seconds.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »But in all honesty, you are wrong with this, the tooltip states it deals x amount of damage to enemies in front of you and an additional 8616 damage over 4 seconds. IT DOES NOT specify if the damage happens once every 0.5 seconds, therefore the DoT happens instantly.
It also deals 60% additional to daedra and undead (vampires).
This skill also applies to the passives within fighters guild
Slayer: Increases weapon and spell damage by 9% when attacking undead and daedra
Skilled Tracker: Allows your fighters guild abilities that affect daedra and undead to also affect werewolves.
NOTHING is broken just people unable to comprehend tooltips and passives.
The skill is bugged.
The first tick should not be applied instantly. No other skill behaves that way and when Fire Trebs behaved that way at the start of 1.6, they got hot fixed.
It's not that the skill is not bugged. It's just that it's not bugged in the way the OP thinks it is.
Incorrect.
A small list of skills off the top of my head that don't explicitly say "every second":
- Searing Strike
- Fiery Breath
- Sun Fire
- Talons
- Cripple
There is no other skill in the game that has damage + dot and the first tick of the dot is applied instantly. In fact the other morph, Flawless Dawnbreaker, works correctly. The first tick happens after 1 sec. Only the Smite morph has the bug.
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Just because there is no other skill in the game that applies damage then a DoT at the same time doesn't mean it's bugged. Not able to do testing on those skills at the moment but I believe talons acts the same way?mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
It doesn't state whether or not the damage is applied instantly or not. Therefore we can't say if it is bugged or not. My tooltip just says x magic damage over 4 seconds. No other tooltip is worded like that I believe. They are usually worded; Take x amount of damage every x second for x seconds.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »But in all honesty, you are wrong with this, the tooltip states it deals x amount of damage to enemies in front of you and an additional 8616 damage over 4 seconds. IT DOES NOT specify if the damage happens once every 0.5 seconds, therefore the DoT happens instantly.
It also deals 60% additional to daedra and undead (vampires).
This skill also applies to the passives within fighters guild
Slayer: Increases weapon and spell damage by 9% when attacking undead and daedra
Skilled Tracker: Allows your fighters guild abilities that affect daedra and undead to also affect werewolves.
NOTHING is broken just people unable to comprehend tooltips and passives.
The skill is bugged.
The first tick should not be applied instantly. No other skill behaves that way and when Fire Trebs behaved that way at the start of 1.6, they got hot fixed.
It's not that the skill is not bugged. It's just that it's not bugged in the way the OP thinks it is.
Incorrect.
A small list of skills off the top of my head that don't explicitly say "every second":
- Searing Strike
- Fiery Breath
- Sun Fire
- Talons
- Cripple
There is no other skill in the game that has damage + dot and the first tick of the dot is applied instantly. In fact the other morph, Flawless Dawnbreaker, works correctly. The first tick happens after 1 sec. Only the Smite morph has the bug.
It's just poor wording on Zenimax's side as usual, don't trust their tooltips.#MOREORBS0 -
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It doesn't state whether or not the damage is applied instantly or not. Therefore we can't say if it is bugged or not. My tooltip just says x magic damage over 4 seconds. No other tooltip is worded like that I believe. They are usually worded; Take x amount of damage every x second for x seconds.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »But in all honesty, you are wrong with this, the tooltip states it deals x amount of damage to enemies in front of you and an additional 8616 damage over 4 seconds. IT DOES NOT specify if the damage happens once every 0.5 seconds, therefore the DoT happens instantly.
It also deals 60% additional to daedra and undead (vampires).
This skill also applies to the passives within fighters guild
Slayer: Increases weapon and spell damage by 9% when attacking undead and daedra
Skilled Tracker: Allows your fighters guild abilities that affect daedra and undead to also affect werewolves.
NOTHING is broken just people unable to comprehend tooltips and passives.
The skill is bugged.
The first tick should not be applied instantly. No other skill behaves that way and when Fire Trebs behaved that way at the start of 1.6, they got hot fixed.
It's not that the skill is not bugged. It's just that it's not bugged in the way the OP thinks it is.
@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom,
Good afternoon ladies, would it be possible to get a clarification on how Spells with DoT's are supposed to work please? Is the first tick of the DoT supposed to hit at the same time as the initial spell it's cast with? If it's not, then there's an issue with Dawnbreaker as it's being applied immediately with the initial hit and not after.
Thank you both for your time.NA Server - Kildair0