*** are you guys on about. You have to grind to Vr14 to wear more powerful gear. You have to grind your skill line levels up to use more powerful skills. You have to run around getting skyshards to morph to more powerful skills. You have to grind dungeons to get more powerful gear. EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME IS REWARDED FOR TIME. Yet everyone wants PvP skills to be easily obtainable? Hell no. I want to be able to simply make a new toon template and PvP instantly as a Vr14 without grinding, but that's never going to happen.

I hate grinding as much as the next person, but every single damn game has grinding, especially ESO, whether it's grinding exp for levels or grinding AP for skills.

And no. People in zergs do not get the most AP. AP in zergs is utter ****. When you see someone with a high rank its because they run around with 10-15 people not 40-50.

Sure, they can move vigor down to rank 5, but they SHOULD make a new rank 10 skill to replace it. What breaks a game is when you DON'T get rewarded for hard work, not when you can't achieve something simply because you don't have the time.

ToRelax wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

*** are you guys on about. You have to grind to Vr14 to wear more powerful gear. You have to grind your skill line levels up to use more powerful skills. You have to run around getting skyshards to morph to more powerful skills. You have to grind dungeons to get more powerful gear. EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME IS REWARDED FOR TIME. Yet everyone wants PvP skills to be easily obtainable? Hell no. I want to be able to simply make a new toon template and PvP instantly as a Vr14 without grinding, but that's never going to happen.

I hate grinding as much as the next person, but every single damn game has grinding, especially ESO, whether it's grinding exp for levels or grinding AP for skills.

And no. People in zergs do not get the most AP. AP in zergs is utter ****. When you see someone with a high rank its because they run around with 10-15 people not 40-50.

Sure, they can move vigor down to rank 5, but they SHOULD make a new rank 10 skill to replace it. What breaks a game is when you DON'T get rewarded for hard work, not when you can't achieve something simply because you don't have the time.

1. Assault/Support rank 10 already is a longer great than there is for any other skills in the game.
2. Yes, you can get more AP in groups of 12-16 if you focus on that than someone running in a 24 man group. But that does not mean the ones in the larger groups don't get many AP when theyÄre farming, it just gives them a way to earn their ranks with even less skill requirement.

It's a longer grind sure. But it's a grind like any other. Saying that one shouldn't be rewarded for time is silly. There should always be something at the top of that grind to strive to achieve, if not, then its pointless. People wanted vigor at rank 5, and they're getting it. Now they need to put in a replacement for the people that actually put in the time.

And I laugh. People cried to get Vigor down to rank 5, but no one complained about Guard. YOU GUYS DIDN'T WANT AN EASIER GRIND. YOU JUST WANTED AN OP SKILL SERVED TO YOU ON A SILVER PLATTER.

vortexman11 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

*** are you guys on about. You have to grind to Vr14 to wear more powerful gear. You have to grind your skill line levels up to use more powerful skills. You have to run around getting skyshards to morph to more powerful skills. You have to grind dungeons to get more powerful gear. EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME IS REWARDED FOR TIME. Yet everyone wants PvP skills to be easily obtainable? Hell no. I want to be able to simply make a new toon template and PvP instantly as a Vr14 without grinding, but that's never going to happen.

I hate grinding as much as the next person, but every single damn game has grinding, especially ESO, whether it's grinding exp for levels or grinding AP for skills.

And no. People in zergs do not get the most AP. AP in zergs is utter ****. When you see someone with a high rank its because they run around with 10-15 people not 40-50.

Sure, they can move vigor down to rank 5, but they SHOULD make a new rank 10 skill to replace it. What breaks a game is when you DON'T get rewarded for hard work, not when you can't achieve something simply because you don't have the time.

1. Assault/Support rank 10 already is a longer great than there is for any other skills in the game.
2. Yes, you can get more AP in groups of 12-16 if you focus on that than someone running in a 24 man group. But that does not mean the ones in the larger groups don't get many AP when theyÄre farming, it just gives them a way to earn their ranks with even less skill requirement.

It's a longer grind sure. But it's a grind like any other. Saying that one shouldn't be rewarded for time is silly. There should always be something at the top of that grind to strive to achieve, if not, then its pointless. People wanted vigor at rank 5, and they're getting it. Now they need to put in a replacement for the people that actually put in the time.

And I laugh. People cried to get Vigor down to rank 5, but no one complained about Guard. YOU GUYS DIDN'T WANT AN EASIER GRIND. YOU JUST WANTED AN OP SKILL SERVED TO YOU ON A SILVER PLATTER.

*I* wanted a fair playing field. And I certainly don't like any grinding whatsoever. Why not reward players with some cosmetics or horizontal progression. Why do you want to make balance even worse by adding new powerful skills to (only) those who are already powerful or play in a way that makes the game less fun for others?
And yes, I don't see why anyone should be rewarded for "time". I don't think you always can or have to prevent that, but it's certainly nothing I would strive for in the designing of this game.

ToRelax wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

*** are you guys on about. You have to grind to Vr14 to wear more powerful gear. You have to grind your skill line levels up to use more powerful skills. You have to run around getting skyshards to morph to more powerful skills. You have to grind dungeons to get more powerful gear. EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME IS REWARDED FOR TIME. Yet everyone wants PvP skills to be easily obtainable? Hell no. I want to be able to simply make a new toon template and PvP instantly as a Vr14 without grinding, but that's never going to happen.

I hate grinding as much as the next person, but every single damn game has grinding, especially ESO, whether it's grinding exp for levels or grinding AP for skills.

And no. People in zergs do not get the most AP. AP in zergs is utter ****. When you see someone with a high rank its because they run around with 10-15 people not 40-50.

Sure, they can move vigor down to rank 5, but they SHOULD make a new rank 10 skill to replace it. What breaks a game is when you DON'T get rewarded for hard work, not when you can't achieve something simply because you don't have the time.

1. Assault/Support rank 10 already is a longer great than there is for any other skills in the game.
2. Yes, you can get more AP in groups of 12-16 if you focus on that than someone running in a 24 man group. But that does not mean the ones in the larger groups don't get many AP when theyÄre farming, it just gives them a way to earn their ranks with even less skill requirement.

It's a longer grind sure. But it's a grind like any other. Saying that one shouldn't be rewarded for time is silly. There should always be something at the top of that grind to strive to achieve, if not, then its pointless. People wanted vigor at rank 5, and they're getting it. Now they need to put in a replacement for the people that actually put in the time.

And I laugh. People cried to get Vigor down to rank 5, but no one complained about Guard. YOU GUYS DIDN'T WANT AN EASIER GRIND. YOU JUST WANTED AN OP SKILL SERVED TO YOU ON A SILVER PLATTER.

*I* wanted a fair playing field. And I certainly don't like any grinding whatsoever. Why not reward players with some cosmetics or horizontal progression. Why do you want to make balance even worse by adding new powerful skills to (only) those who are already powerful or play in a way that makes the game less fun for others?
And yes, I don't see why anyone should be rewarded for "time". I don't think you always can or have to prevent that, but it's certainly nothing I would strive for in the designing of this game.

Everyone has access to high level abilities as long as they put the time required to get them into it. That is fair. No one ever said that certain people are not allowed to get to Assault/Support rank 10, its not class specific, race specific, alliance specific, it doesn't cost crowns, you don't even need gold.

The balance you speak of is found one place in ESO. On the PTS where you can make a template toon. Why do we even bother PvPing on the live servers anymore when we can all just play templates on PTS

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

players who think that if they play the game with some character for more than a year deserve to be gods are lunatics who hurt this game

So you think Realm Rank system hurt Dark age of Camelot?

saintmurray wrote: »

I feel a lot of the people complaining that new skills would be hard to get have never played another mmo. Most stuff in the game is easily achievable. Once you hit level 24 there is no point pvping on a toon anymore other then dyes or title. Im mearly asking for the inclusion of something useful. Also yes I don't support account wide pvp ranks (alliance wide)