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Siniztor✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »Saying something is terrible before you even try it? Good job.
The idea of losing all your stuff is terrible. Noone needs to try that to know this.
Enter IC sewers. Kill mobs until you have the minimum stones that are bankable (50). This will take you exactly 13 kills. Then turn around, and bank those 50 stones immediately. Repeat.
This way, when an enemy player kills you, you will lose 50 stones at most. Which is far from losing all your stuff.
You're welcome.
funny thing is you use trash mobs...try do a duengon 5 boss at 400 each plus the ton of trash mobs at 4 each then zone out to a ganker killing you losing over 2000 stones..cause face it its gonna take awile to find the trohpy to port to any alliance base...So yeah losing 2k plus stones is gonna suck.most people arent talking about killing trash mobs and losing 50 stones.. lol1 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »Saying something is terrible before you even try it? Good job.
The idea of losing all your stuff is terrible. Noone needs to try that to know this.
Enter IC sewers. Kill mobs until you have the minimum stones that are bankable (50). This will take you exactly 13 kills. Then turn around, and bank those 50 stones immediately. Repeat.
This way, when an enemy player kills you, you will lose 50 stones at most. Which is far from losing all your stuff.
You're welcome.
This is not true. They were very clear that the stones only drop where you can be killed. The sewers are open pvp flagged.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »Saying something is terrible before you even try it? Good job.
The idea of losing all your stuff is terrible. Noone needs to try that to know this.
Enter IC sewers. Kill mobs until you have the minimum stones that are bankable (50). This will take you exactly 13 kills. Then turn around, and bank those 50 stones immediately. Repeat.
This way, when an enemy player kills you, you will lose 50 stones at most. Which is far from losing all your stuff.
You're welcome.
This is not true. They were very clear that the stones only drop where you can be killed. The sewers are open pvp flagged.
Actually, it is true, but you have to understand that both of you are in agreement. The phrase "all your stuff" clearly refers to an entire pile of TV stones instead of just the 50.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »Saying something is terrible before you even try it? Good job.
The idea of losing all your stuff is terrible. Noone needs to try that to know this.
Enter IC sewers. Kill mobs until you have the minimum stones that are bankable (50). This will take you exactly 13 kills. Then turn around, and bank those 50 stones immediately. Repeat.
This way, when an enemy player kills you, you will lose 50 stones at most. Which is far from losing all your stuff.
You're welcome.
This is not true. They were very clear that the stones only drop where you can be killed. The sewers are open pvp flagged.
Actually, it is true, but you have to understand that both of you are in agreement. The phrase "all your stuff" clearly refers to an entire pile of TV stones instead of just the 50.
It is NOT true that you can farm mobs anywhere in safety in the IC area. Thats what I was talking about. It was said that the sewers are open pvp for everyone. The only places not open pvp are the group dungeons which will not drop stones.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »Saying something is terrible before you even try it? Good job.
The idea of losing all your stuff is terrible. Noone needs to try that to know this.
Enter IC sewers. Kill mobs until you have the minimum stones that are bankable (50). This will take you exactly 13 kills. Then turn around, and bank those 50 stones immediately. Repeat.
This way, when an enemy player kills you, you will lose 50 stones at most. Which is far from losing all your stuff.
You're welcome.
This is not true. They were very clear that the stones only drop where you can be killed. The sewers are open pvp flagged.
Actually, it is true, but you have to understand that both of you are in agreement. The phrase "all your stuff" clearly refers to an entire pile of TV stones instead of just the 50.
It is NOT true that you can farm mobs anywhere in safety in the IC area. Thats what I was talking about. It was said that the sewers are open pvp for everyone. The only places not open pvp are the group dungeons which will not drop stones.
I did not mean you can farm them safely, but that you can minimize your losses.
If you worry about being ganked and losing all your stuff, you can bank the stones immediately as soon as you get 50. This way, the max you are going to lose (that means to PvP death!) is 50.
13 mob kills -> run to banker -> 13 mob kills -> run to banker -> 13 mob kills -> GANKED! -> you lost 50 stones, not 150, and your first 100 are still safe, you did not lose all your stuff.Edited by Sharee on July 19, 2015 11:57AM1 -
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@Teiji Use the wayshrine, like you do for any other dungeon. Unless you are referring to a situation where you haven't bought the DLC; maybe Imperial Sewers and White-Gold Tower won't be added to the pledge rotation?What are you going to do when your Gold pledge is White-Gold tower and Imperial Sewers?UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭✭✭In all honesty, this is something I beleive will improve the overall experience of pvp, I know I'm looking forward to trying it at least.
I agree, and I also agreed that the Justice System was a good way to add immersion to our experience.
With the Justice System there was an easy opt-out; don't steal (I don't). Yes, there are occasional reports of people getting nailed for a fine when spamming group heals in public areas (a process that annoys me anyway) so there are glitches, but working as intended, the people who participate, do so side by side with the folks who don't, and there isn't much bleed-over.
The way this looks (and I could be way off here) when this system is working as intended, PvE'ers will have no choice but be targets for a gankfest.
To some extent that's already happening in Cyrodiil (it's a rare wander over there when I don't get the free gank-boat back home), but mostly it doesn't matter as there isn't anything in Cyrodiil that I really want or need to effectively PvE to all the levels available.
That doesn't seem to still be true here, hence my concern.
I'm not saying it is terrible - I'm saying that it doesn't look like it would be fun for me.Edited by newtinmpls on July 19, 2015 10:48PMTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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BabeestorGor✭✭✭✭Im so excited about IC, it creates so damn cool atmosphere that u can loot other pvp players, dont understand all this "mimi" threads lol
And i like pve a lot, but just consider the atmosphere wolaking iwth 5 friend through the sewers, not sure u will survive
Have fun looting players in a ghost town.
Sorry but forcing PVE players and crafters to go into PVP, a style and mindset of play they neither enjoy nor care to become proficient at, just so PVP players can teabag and grief "EZ killz?" Yeah, that sounds like fun for anyone. The PVE players getting griefed and forced to play something they hate (and PAY for it!) and the PVP players that get to show their skills by shooting fish in a barrel that don't fight back. Thrilling.
Man I have never seen a game company hit so far off the mark as they have on this one.
I will be among the MANY PVE players that will NOT BE THERE for you to loot.
Like I said, have fun looting a ghost town. That is what this game will be if these kinds of decisions keep getting made without consideration for the bulk community consensus.
So how are you being forced to PvP?
I won't be rushing to get IC. I'll have to pay through the nose for IC content if I want it from guild traders for a couple of months until Orsinium comes out with its own VR16 content. No great hardship.
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✭RazzPitazz wrote: »I know you have to purchase the DLC to be able to use/purchase anything from within IC including drop gear. The 4 man dungeons in the rest of the world Will scale up to V16 but what comes with that we have no idea right now. My guess is that orsinium will be the PvE equivalent for V16 great, but that's just a guess.
where do you have that info from ? While it is obvious that you cant access bind on pickup gear from IC without owning it, crafted v16 gear/consumables/materials as well as non bound equipment should be free to be traded. I have not seen any announcement from zos stating otherwise and it would quite frankly be a *** move from them. I still believe they could do it but i dont think they will, simply because of the negative PR for their first console DLC.Jo'Khaljor0 -
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They haven't said that. In fact, they've said completely the opposite. Anything that is not bind-on-pickup can be traded with anyone, including people who do not own the DLC.
where do you have that info from ? While it is obvious that you cant access bind on pickup gear from IC without owning it, crafted v16 gear/consumables/materials as well as non bound equipment should be free to be traded. I have not seen any announcement from zos stating otherwise and it would quite frankly be a *** move from them. I still believe they could do it but i dont think they will, simply because of the negative PR for their first console DLC.RazzPitazz wrote: »I know you have to purchase the DLC to be able to use/purchase anything from within IC including drop gear. The 4 man dungeons in the rest of the world Will scale up to V16 but what comes with that we have no idea right now. My guess is that orsinium will be the PvE equivalent for V16 great, but that's just a guess.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Etharian✭✭✭Okay, first of all, I will say that I like playing ESO and this is not an "I quit" thread.
However, I don't like non consensual PVP, and hate the idea of being looted of items from PVP death. So, I am not planning on buying this DLC. I know a lot of people are excited about it, and I am happy for you, but I am not.
All I really want to know is if I don't buy the DLC, is it going to hinder me in the future. Will I be able to purchase future DLC that is something more of my style without getting the IC DLC? I will probably play the game until I hit VR16 and then take a break until more PVE content comes out. I'm not used to playing DLC games, as I prefer Subscription games, so I just want to make sure I can buy the next DLC without having to purchase this one first, or rather at all. I just can't justify spending 2,500 crowns on 2 dungeons, which is all I would play out of it.
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Pangnirtung✭✭✭✭✭BabeestorGor wrote: »I won't be rushing to get IC. I'll have to pay through the nose for IC content if I want it from guild traders for a couple of months until Orsinium comes out with its own VR16 content. No great hardship.
Really? Do you believe that Orsinium will only be a couple of months after the Imperial City?
I think that ZOS will be squashing bugs and balancing the IC and that will delay Orsinium.
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Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭If they don't force you to pvp to get the same gear then what's the problem? I am not fond of this idea but I can see this as a fun new thing to try out.
To the OP if you are already a sub you will get to try this out without doing anything other then downloading it.
Till its out in the PTS I don't see why people are doing this stomping feet thing.Edited by Xjcon on July 19, 2015 11:12PMBriza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
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Grimnaur✭✭✭Okay, first of all, I will say that I like playing ESO and this is not an "I quit" thread.
However, I don't like non consensual PVP, and hate the idea of being looted of items from PVP death. So, I am not planning on buying this DLC. I know a lot of people are excited about it, and I am happy for you, but I am not.
All I really want to know is if I don't buy the DLC, is it going to hinder me in the future. Will I be able to purchase future DLC that is something more of my style without getting the IC DLC? I will probably play the game until I hit VR16 and then take a break until more PVE content comes out. I'm not used to playing DLC games, as I prefer Subscription games, so I just want to make sure I can buy the next DLC without having to purchase this one first, or rather at all. I just can't justify spending 2,500 crowns on 2 dungeons, which is all I would play out of it.
You dont have to join Imp city, Cyrodiil. Stop crying
It's my post, and I can cry if I want to. :'(
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@Teiji Use the wayshrine, like you do for any other dungeon. Unless you are referring to a situation where you haven't bought the DLC; maybe Imperial Sewers and White-Gold Tower won't be added to the pledge rotation?What are you going to do when your Gold pledge is White-Gold tower and Imperial Sewers?
@Enodoc Yeah, It would be a really unfortunate experience for players to effectively be "denied" a Gold pledge because of not having DLC.
I mean, I know they're not really being denied a pledge, but if they don't have the DLC bought, why would their pledge be for something they can't even do?
Well, at least it's not awkward yellow text displaying Crown Store sales items, right?
I really hope it's not going to cost too much Stones for cool gear. Apparently 500 Stones for the teleport stone is "a lot" so maybe 50,000 - 100,000 for gear? Who knows, PTS hopefully.Edited by Teiji on July 19, 2015 11:35PM"Serving Boethiah is Freedom, embracing heroism is Liberty, existing solely for noxiphilic sanguivoria is truth." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Okay.. "Disappointed in what is being shown, and wanting to know if it is something that I will have to spend money on to be able to play then next DLC." Maybe that would of been a better title for you. Like I have said, I am happy for the people excited for this DLC, I just happen to dislike the whole idea of what they are doing. I don't want them to not make it, to cater to me, I just don't want to participate in it. I am looking forward to Orsinium, and hoping it is more my play style.
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Grimnaur✭✭✭If they don't force you to pvp to get the same gear then what's the problem? I am not fond of this idea but I can see this as a fun new thing to try out.
To the OP if you are already a sub you will get to try this out without doing anything other then downloading it.
Till its out in the PTS I don't see why people are doing this stomping feet thing.
I quit my sub when I switched to console. They won't let you pay with Microsoft Cash on XB1, unfortunately. I put a bunch of money in that account for this game, before knowing that. So I haven't subbed, and figured until they change that I will just buy crowns for whatever.
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Forztr✭✭✭✭Given the piecemeal way that info as been released so far until the damn thing shows up on PTS nobody outside ZOS really knows what it's going to be like. And even they don't know because you can try to predict what the player base is going to do with the content you provide but you can't really be sure that they're going to do what you expect them too.
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You could have have IC campaigns where a faction dominates the map and there's little to no PVP in IC and everyone can farm stones to their hearts content.
It may be such a pain in the rear for gankers to get the kills and then get back to base that the sewers near your basecamp are gank free for the low risk 50stones and I'm out farmers. Maybe the gankers stick to the middle section for the high value targets.
Maybe white knight guilds will form and patrol the sewers to ensure safe passage for their faction
Maybe people will set up body guard services with full a refund if you die clause.
Fact is we don't know how it plays out because all the internal testing on systems and mechanics cannot prepare for what the player-base will actually do when they're let loose on the content. So chill.
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✭✭✭Doesnt take a genius to figure out what will happen. People buy DLC who have no idea they are going to get ganked by a pvp guild at every turn and will never be able to get any gear unless they buy from said guild. People will revolt. Then when there is noone left to take advantage of ZOS will change the rules on player looting. Then it will be too late and they will have lost a ton more subscribers.
But hey the sociopaths who love to kill people who cannot fight back will be happy. Hope they can carry the game.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on July 20, 2015 12:17AM1 -
markt84✭✭✭What is the big deal? EVERYONE knew IC was going to be PvP content, now that it was announced it la PvP content, everyone wants to cry. It's new dlc that they are adding new gear and higher levels, yes of course you need to buy the dlc to get those higher levels and content. I mean what were you expecting?0
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Grimnaur✭✭✭What is the big deal? EVERYONE knew IC was going to be PvP content, now that it was announced it la PvP content, everyone wants to cry. It's new dlc that they are adding new gear and higher levels, yes of course you need to buy the dlc to get those higher levels and content. I mean what were you expecting?
More PVE content not involved around PVP.
Yes, Imperial City is PVP, but I thought that after over a year of working on it, the DLC would be more than a small PVPVE area with player lootable things, and more PVE than 2 dungeons. Anyways, I'm not really upset about what they are releasing. It's just not enough content aimed at my play style for me to purchase. I was just making sure I didn't have to purchase it, to be able to get the next DLC aimed at my gaming style.
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1) Just because peoples opinions don't match yours, doesn't mean they are crying.
2) You can level to VR16 without the DLC, but you are correct about the content not being available.
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭I'm not expecting much, but I would like to see PvE content to assist with solo play getting V14-16 without grinding.
Apparently that's coming with Orsinium
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✭✭✭What is the big deal? EVERYONE knew IC was going to be PvP content, now that it was announced it la PvP content, everyone wants to cry. It's new dlc that they are adding new gear and higher levels, yes of course you need to buy the dlc to get those higher levels and content. I mean what were you expecting?
More PVE content not involved around PVP.
Yes, Imperial City is PVP, but I thought that after over a year of working on it, the DLC would be more than a small PVPVE area with player lootable things, and more PVE than 2 dungeons. Anyways, I'm not really upset about what they are releasing. It's just not enough content aimed at my play style for me to purchase. I was just making sure I didn't have to purchase it, to be able to get the next DLC aimed at my gaming style.
Also:
1) Just because peoples opinions don't match yours, doesn't mean they are crying.
2) You can level to VR16 without the DLC, but you are correct about the content not being available.
I would guess the majority are just like you. Once everyone hears how you will be killed over and over and all your stuff will be looted from you. Thats going to me a mess. Yet again ZOS only listens to 1% of its users. When this expansion flops I certainly hope we have some new leadership finally down at ZOS. Otherwise this game is going to remain a niche game that barely makes enough to cover its expenses.0 -
Pangnirtung✭✭✭✭✭Given the piecemeal way that info as been released so far until the damn thing shows up on PTS nobody outside ZOS really knows what it's going to be like. 4/quote]
Exactly. I predict a major change from how the IC debuts on the PTS and when it goes live on the production servers and the result? Major disappointment all around. PVPers will be ticked. PVEers will be left wanting.
Compromise isn't good. I will play on the PTS to see if I enjoy it. From how it is being described I am gonna pass on it tho.
BTW, more power to the PVPers if the IC goes hardcore. I can happily bide my time or not play until new PVE content arrives.0
