Heavy armor on girls

Ghamorra · July 2015

I would personally like more options than race styles. For instance you pick the race you want and then each race has different styles based on era, region, maybe a famous crafter, or possibly it being inspired by something.

MsPtibiscuit · July 2015

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Schnuffles wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

I'm sick of people saying revealing armor doesnt belong in an elder scrolls game. These people have obviously not done ANY research on the matter. Elder scrolls has featured TOPLESS women in previous games, and even in recent games armor such as the Forsworn set (see images below) have always been available to the player should they choose to wear it. Allowing players options for such things would not take away another players option to not partake in lore appropriate revealing armor. The game was never intended for children as a few of you keep saying its for kids and adults, NO, it is rated M for MATURE (ADULT) audiences and as an adult creature sexuality is in fact a factor in everyday life. If your children are playing it, it is because you consented to allowing them to see this content when you purchased it for them. This is not the fault of the company but the fault of the parent.

Armor in a videogame also does not have to adhere to strict realism as armor and weapons somehow magically fall from mudcrabs and plants imbued with magical traits somehow already enchanted into them. How is ANY of that realistic?
On a side note this game is hardly even CANON, magical frost horses also don't exist in the game but they are there so enlighten me how adding the already pre-existing armor choices back into the game would somehow be game breaking?

Bethesda created this game and all the lore and characters within it, this includes the armor and clothing. You saying they are unwelcome additions or lore breaking is just infact you breaking the lore and rewriting it to fit your own ideals.

Forsworn armor example

Saviors hide example

Its a long time since they had topless women in TES, almost 20 years since DF, back in the days when female gamers were very rare.

Personally I wouldn't mind there being skimpy outfits if like others have said they were there for characters of both sexes. Heavy armour should be heavy and cover everything though. Saviours Hide and Forsworn armour were light so medium in TESO terms. Medium and light can be a little revealing/tight-fitting w/o straining plausibility too much. Vanity clothing can be very revealing.

The thing is if ZOS make this kind of "lighter heavy armor", a lot of peole will jump on them for giving light armor sets for women characters, even if they make this for both sexes. (Outrage culture and ***)
I wish there would be more armor style like the Warrior Elite Armor in Guild Wars 1.

Schnuffles · July 2015

@BabeestorGor Regardless of how long ago it was or not does not change the fact that these things are now CANON and part of the lore. So saying "it has never been or ever will be" is just blatant ignorance to what was and still can be. They made the lore, its all right there until they come out and strictly say "this is not what we intended" but it is blaringly obvious that they have no qualms over the female form as even their most recent solo game featured exposed parts on ARMOR. Not vanity pieces but ARMOR whether light or medium or heavy at the very least it should be acknowledged that these things still exist and it is ridiculous to claim otherwise.

I am all for these options being placed back into the game at no one elses expense. Allow players the option to choose how functional or fashionable they want to be within the lore standards

BabeestorGor · July 2015

Schnuffles wrote: »

@BabeestorGor Regardless of how long ago it was or not does not change the fact that these things are now CANON and part of the lore. So saying "it has never been or ever will be" is just blatant ignorance to what was and still can be. They made the lore, its all right there until they come out and strictly say "this is not what we intended" but it is blaringly obvious that they have no qualms over the female form as even their most recent solo game featured exposed parts on ARMOR. Not vanity pieces but ARMOR whether light or medium or heavy at the very least it should be acknowledged that these things still exist and it is ridiculous to claim otherwise.

I am all for these options being placed back into the game at no one elses expense. Allow players the option to choose how functional or fashionable they want to be within the lore standards

Cover art which did not reflect the appearance of the armour in the game can hardly be considered lore.
The only revealing armour in the games has been light or medium.
Regardless Canon in TES has always been whatever Bethesda felt like doing in a particular game. Even if skimpy heavy armour was once Canon (which it wasn't) it isn't in TESO unless Bethesda change their mind again.

LadyDestiny · July 2015

I am female playing several female characters. I think the armor is just fine. More realistic in my opinion.

Tiuku · July 2015

Omg, i really hope this game is not going to have any bikini armor and a step towards games like tera X__X

VoidBlue · July 2015

Tiuku wrote: »

Omg, i really hope this game is not going to have any bikini armor and a step towards games like tera X__X

im against tera type armor in ESO but jeesh an option to either make armor fully covered or show some belly/cleavage/shoulder/back/leg would be a good thing.

while crafting have another option to do so. [option] Full or Half or something like that to choose which kind of covered the armor shows or covers of the players skin.

Tiuku · July 2015

VoidBlue wrote: »

Tiuku wrote: »

Omg, i really hope this game is not going to have any bikini armor and a step towards games like tera X__X

im against tera type armor in ESO but jeesh an option to either make armor fully covered or show some belly/cleavage/shoulder/back/leg would be a good thing.

while crafting have another option to do so. [option] Full or Half or something like that to choose which kind of covered the armor shows or covers of the players skin.

I agree, that forsworn armor on the previous page is still good but anything lesser than it is absolutely no no.

Recremen · July 2015

VoidBlue wrote: »

Tiuku wrote: »

Omg, i really hope this game is not going to have any bikini armor and a step towards games like tera X__X

im against tera type armor in ESO but jeesh an option to either make armor fully covered or show some belly/cleavage/shoulder/back/leg would be a good thing.

while crafting have another option to do so. [option] Full or Half or something like that to choose which kind of covered the armor shows or covers of the players skin.

I'm pretty sure cleavage isn't even a thing in this game. Most armor (heavy included) is just a texture over the character's frame, which is why you still get those weird breast/pectoral plates, yet still nothing that looks like cleavage. So I'd just assume go with "no, not in this house."

VoidBlue · July 2015

Recremen wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Tiuku wrote: »

Omg, i really hope this game is not going to have any bikini armor and a step towards games like tera X__X

im against tera type armor in ESO but jeesh an option to either make armor fully covered or show some belly/cleavage/shoulder/back/leg would be a good thing.

while crafting have another option to do so. [option] Full or Half or something like that to choose which kind of covered the armor shows or covers of the players skin.

I'm pretty sure cleavage isn't even a thing in this game. Most armor (heavy included) is just a texture over the character's frame, which is why you still get those weird breast/pectoral plates, yet still nothing that looks like cleavage. So I'd just assume go with "no, not in this house."

cleavage is just the space between boobs so yes cleavage is in this game. it doesnt have to be squished together for all you see is blobs of boobage and a line

SergeantParadox · July 2015

I actually find women in heavy armor that are boneified soldiers quite sexy, that's why my main in ESO is a Templar Dark Elf female in heavy armor. And in Destiny my main is an Awoken female Titan, however would I be upset if the devs added more sexy armors, not at all. And I'm not talking about metal bikinis that is way over the top and should stay out, but more options for both genders are are always good. So if the devs want to add some that's fine if they don't that's fine too, more customization and styles for all armour classes and both genders is always a good thing however.

Psychobunni · July 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

These arguments pop up every other week or so in regards to skin/gore and have since launch...with a few stating that the original mission of ESO was to get a Teen rating.

Can one of you PLEASE tell us if that was the case, if ESO is trying for said rating or if these things such as this thread will be added in the future or are even considered.... Anything to put to bed the argument that skin/gore makes "mature" or something that we can point to every other week when yet another thread starts?

Simply anything, so we can stop going round and round?

elephunky · July 2015

Heavy armor isnt sexy, but it probably wouldnt be believable if it was. Medium armor is pretty sexy though.

Rev Rielle · July 2015

Machiavelli wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Sexist much?

Vitamin D deficiency causes sexism?

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Not directly, no.
It's a result of sitting in a dark room too much, and can exacerbate a whole host of physically and mental problems.

elephunky · July 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

These arguments pop up every other week or so in regards to skin/gore and have since launch...with a few stating that the original mission of ESO was to get a Teen rating.

Can one of you PLEASE tell us if that was the case, if ESO is trying for said rating or if these things such as this thread will be added in the future or are even considered.... Anything to put to bed the argument that skin/gore makes "mature" or something that we can point to every other week when yet another thread starts?

Simply anything, so we can stop going round and round?

I thought it was certain quest storylines that gave it the mature rating.

Samadhi · July 2015

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Machiavelli wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Sexist much?

Vitamin D deficiency causes sexism?

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Not directly, no.
It's a result of sitting in a dark room too much, and can exacerbate a whole host of physically and mental problems.

Personally take Vitamin D supplements through the winter months, since days are so short and the weather is often too cold to get out to enjoy them.

Used to suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder each winter. Have not suffered from it again since I began taking them.

Tolmos · July 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

If someone told me that I was going to be an adventurer and had to wear heavy armor, and pick my plate... as a male, I'd select something similar to what she is wearing. Fill in the chest a bit, so it's a single plate, and remove some of the bits over the hands and arms and that would be my armor. It would maximize the balance of vital bit protection + movement + stamina conservation, without loose clothing flopping around that can be grabbed or snag on stuff. Gimme a shield and a sword and I'd be good to go.

You know what I would NEVER pick? A giant, full suit of armor that would weigh me down, wear me out faster and be a *** to climb mountains in, run across fields in, roll and jump in, etc etc.

Light and nimble is the way to go as an adventurer, IMO.

Tolmos · July 2015

oops double post. Forums am hardness

Samadhi · July 2015

Tolmos wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

If someone told me that I was going to be an adventurer and had to wear heavy armor, and pick my plate... as a male, I'd select something similar to what she is wearing. Fill in the chest a bit, so it's a single plate, and remove some of the bits over the hands and arms and that would be my armor. It would maximize the balance of vital bit protection + movement + stamina conservation, without loose clothing flopping around that can be grabbed or snag on stuff. Gimme a shield and a sword and I'd be good to go.

You know what I would NEVER pick? A giant, full suit of armor that would weigh me down, wear me out faster and be a *** to climb mountains in, run across fields in, roll and jump in, etc etc.

Light and nimble is the way to go as an adventurer, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz7naZ08Jd4

Tolmos · July 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

If someone told me that I was going to be an adventurer and had to wear heavy armor, and pick my plate... as a male, I'd select something similar to what she is wearing. Fill in the chest a bit, so it's a single plate, and remove some of the bits over the hands and arms and that would be my armor. It would maximize the balance of vital bit protection + movement + stamina conservation, without loose clothing flopping around that can be grabbed or snag on stuff. Gimme a shield and a sword and I'd be good to go.

You know what I would NEVER pick? A giant, full suit of armor that would weigh me down, wear me out faster and be a *** to climb mountains in, run across fields in, roll and jump in, etc etc.

Light and nimble is the way to go as an adventurer, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz7naZ08Jd4

Awesome. So if I need to go adventuring for 46 seconds, I should be good to go! Of course, if I happen to need to adventure longer than that, it might get just a BIT tiring...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/medieval-armor-was-it-worth-the-wei-11-07-19/
http://www.livescience.com/15128-armor-drained-medieval-knight-energy.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14204717
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2011/07/just_how_heavy.html

Samadhi · July 2015

Tolmos wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

If someone told me that I was going to be an adventurer and had to wear heavy armor, and pick my plate... as a male, I'd select something similar to what she is wearing. Fill in the chest a bit, so it's a single plate, and remove some of the bits over the hands and arms and that would be my armor. It would maximize the balance of vital bit protection + movement + stamina conservation, without loose clothing flopping around that can be grabbed or snag on stuff. Gimme a shield and a sword and I'd be good to go.

You know what I would NEVER pick? A giant, full suit of armor that would weigh me down, wear me out faster and be a *** to climb mountains in, run across fields in, roll and jump in, etc etc.

Light and nimble is the way to go as an adventurer, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz7naZ08Jd4

Awesome. So if I need to go adventuring for 46 seconds, I should be good to go! Of course, if I happen to need to adventure longer than that, it might get just a BIT tiring...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/medieval-armor-was-it-worth-the-wei-11-07-19/
http://www.livescience.com/15128-armor-drained-medieval-knight-energy.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14204717
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2011/07/just_how_heavy.html

Sure, but that is the trade-off.

Slightly more difficult to carry (less of an issue if you have spent several years training to move with the weight -- even the livescience article argued that) in exchange for better protection.

You can have your breastplate and loin cloth. The BBC link mentions a cut to the leg could be the death of you.
Since your arms are uncovered in your description as well, they make just as prime of a target.
Would rather have something that gave full coverage. The sacrifice to mobility is outweighed by the protection.

Adam_Chattaway · July 2015

Tolmos wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

If someone told me that I was going to be an adventurer and had to wear heavy armor, and pick my plate... as a male, I'd select something similar to what she is wearing. Fill in the chest a bit, so it's a single plate, and remove some of the bits over the hands and arms and that would be my armor. It would maximize the balance of vital bit protection + movement + stamina conservation, without loose clothing flopping around that can be grabbed or snag on stuff. Gimme a shield and a sword and I'd be good to go.

You know what I would NEVER pick? A giant, full suit of armor that would weigh me down, wear me out faster and be a *** to climb mountains in, run across fields in, roll and jump in, etc etc.

Light and nimble is the way to go as an adventurer, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz7naZ08Jd4

Awesome. So if I need to go adventuring for 46 seconds, I should be good to go! Of course, if I happen to need to adventure longer than that, it might get just a BIT tiring...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/medieval-armor-was-it-worth-the-wei-11-07-19/
http://www.livescience.com/15128-armor-drained-medieval-knight-energy.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14204717
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2011/07/just_how_heavy.html

A British soldiers carries 160 pounds of gear, a knight in full Armour weighed 80. and don't forget adrenalin, i doubt people would feel that tired for a long time when fighting to kill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMuNXWFPewg

Cookiethief · July 2015

I think this game does armour really good, compare it to something like archage, it's nice to see the armour is tailored to someone's body shape....... It's why I roll with junk in my trunk

MasterFUNG_ESO · July 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Function > Fashion

And if they add metal bikinis and sexist armor for females they have to add it for males too to prevent some female player sueing ZoS for some sex thing. Point being .................. No want nymphos in metal under wear go mod skyrim.

Uhh no they dont. No one can sue ZoS because its not rated as a kids game and because you agree to the tos before playing. That said believe it or not some woman prefer sexy armor for their toons. IMO both options should be available then everyone gets what they want.

SeptimusDova · July 2015

It makes their Butt look BIG !!

OzJohnD · July 2015

Wolfshead · July 2015

Schnuffles wrote: »

I'm sick of people saying revealing armor doesnt belong in an elder scrolls game. These people have obviously not done ANY research on the matter. Elder scrolls has featured TOPLESS women in previous games, and even in recent games armor such as the Forsworn set (see images below) have always been available to the player should they choose to wear it. Allowing players options for such things would not take away another players option to not partake in lore appropriate revealing armor. The game was never intended for children as a few of you keep saying its for kids and adults, NO, it is rated M for MATURE (ADULT) audiences and as an adult creature sexuality is in fact a factor in everyday life. If your children are playing it, it is because you consented to allowing them to see this content when you purchased it for them. This is not the fault of the company but the fault of the parent.

Armor in a videogame also does not have to adhere to strict realism as armor and weapons somehow magically fall from mudcrabs and plants imbued with magical traits somehow already enchanted into them. How is ANY of that realistic?
On a side note this game is hardly even CANON, magical frost horses also don't exist in the game but they are there so enlighten me how adding the already pre-existing armor choices back into the game would somehow be game breaking?

Bethesda created this game and all the lore and characters within it, this includes the armor and clothing. You saying they are unwelcome additions or lore breaking is just infact you breaking the lore and rewriting it to fit your own ideals.

Forsworn armor example

Saviors hide example

We are talk about heavy armor that could look better on the female model and to be honest heavy armor do not fit on the female model and you can still make full heavy armor look good or sexy on the female model which remove half of gear it is like ZoS did not have the female model in mind when did heavy armor at all.

Kuroinu · July 2015

I feel that the "breast mounds" they have on the female versions of breastplate look like they'd get in the way and hinder you more than help. Also with ESO chest and leg armour, I almost feel like my character is having the armour integrated into the skin or the skin is replaced by an "armour look". I understand that's what's technically happening, but it looks kinda cheap-ish, lol.

Maybe it's easier to understand what I'm saying with an image. Even though the proportions of the created character are fine when imagined naked, I think all armour should have a default "slimness"; this character below looks like she's wearing a metal corset in which case all you could do was stand and not breathe never mind battle, lol.

Zavinus · July 2015

I was unaware that pixel women had to be attractive.

Metal10957 · July 2015

I am amazed this thread lasted this long. I was just being funny, or so I thought... much bigger issue than I thought. I wish you all the best. Guess someone had to say it. It humbles me that so many ppl replied, thank you all.