Heavy armor on girls

waterfairy · July 2015

Metal10957 wrote: »

We need the option, like on helmets, just to not show armor.

I agree and not for the sexy reason you want, I just can't stand when I find a good piece that looks like crap and I can't hide it like helms.

TheShadowScout · July 2015

Personally I like girls in plate mail... makes them look like they mean business, not are the business.

And I could go on another "armor should not be allowed to be skimpy and still protect the same" rant. But I won't right now.

All that aside, I think more options -are- a good thing!

Just like light chestpieces have an jerkin/robe option, I'd love to see more options for other armors as well...

And not only armor, I'd dearly love to see a much, much wider range of "civilian clothing", and not only steal-able, but also sold by tailors and research/craftable...
And that kind of attire should have all the "attractive" clothing anyone could wish for, it should cover everything from nobles gowns to beggars rags, from huns habits to dancers silks...

Bookwyrm · July 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Personally I like girls in plate mail... makes them look like they mean business, not are the business.

And I could go on another "armor should not be allowed to be skimpy and still protect the same" rant. But I won't right now.

All that aside, I think more options -are- a good thing!

Just like light chestpieces have an jerkin/robe option, I'd love to see more options for other armors as well...

And not only armor, I'd dearly love to see a much, much wider range of "civilian clothing", and not only steal-able, but also sold by tailors and research/craftable...
And that kind of attire should have all the "attractive" clothing anyone could wish for, it should cover everything from nobles gowns to beggars rags, from huns habits to dancers silks...

Huns habits?

TheShadowScout · July 2015

Typoo finger striked again! But... come to think of it... it actually makes sense! Go for hun style clothing, ESO!

Shimmer · July 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Function > Fashion

And if they add metal bikinis and sexist armor for females they have to add it for males too to prevent some female player sueing ZoS for some sex thing. Point being .................. No want nymphos in metal under wear go mod skyrim.

Magical world. We can enchant, add traits etc to our armor. We are in a magical land with mages and sorcerers etc. All in all in this world we could spell whatever weight armor to be more powerful, so all of this "it isnt functional" etc is a moot point.

Shimmer · July 2015

Also - Fire whoever made the wedding dress and that evening gown thing. They are terrible.

Samadhi · July 2015

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Disagree.

Shimmer · July 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Disagree.

I disagree with your disagree.

FilthyMudcrabs · July 2015

Why do you need to be attractive when you're giving Molag Bal a thumping?

SLy_Kyti · July 2015

My female characters look awesome in Heavy armors in my opinion. Not all heavy but picking and choosing styles.
The re-work of Orc and Redguard in particular as noted earlier.

But that wedding dress...ERMGRD...look at the shoulders/midriff on that one! yikes!

arena25 · July 2015

Here, guys, let me go ahead and link you to a video that might offer a compromise on the subject...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XP6gXZPVgD4

Azurulia · July 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Disagree.

If only...

As a male who play female characters, I've never been all that attracted to "skimpy" or revealing armors on my characters, especially heavy armors. For lighter armors,I prefer a full robed look, and heavier, a full plated look.

If my character is wearing heavy armor, I'd like to think that it looks, ya know... heavy. That it looks like its going to take a few hits. While a female in full plate may not bring the same "sexy" as the bikinki platemail, they do bring the "I'm a badass and I'll kick your ass" sexy look. Because any chick wearing heavy-ass armor like that has got to be really tough, and that in itself, I think is sexy.

Now for actual female players playing female characters? I'm sure some have preferences of both skimpy and fully-clad. It's their character and for them to decide which they prefer. My fiancée falls into the prefer of the skimpy and revealing armors, and always chooses them when presented with both options. Her argument is it makes her character look sexy. My argument is that it makes her character look like life insurance fraud.

arena25 · July 2015

Azurulia wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Disagree.

If only...

As a male who play female characters, I've never been all that attracted to "skimpy" or revealing armors on my characters, especially heavy armors. For lighter armors,I prefer a full robed look, and heavier, a full plated look.

If my character is wearing heavy armor, I'd like to think that it looks, ya know... heavy. That it looks like its going to take a few hits. While a female in full plate may not bring the same "sexy" as the bikinki platemail, they do bring the "I'm a badass and I'll kick your ass" sexy look. Because any chick wearing heavy-ass armor like that has got to be really tough, and that in itself, I think is sexy.

Now for actual female players playing female characters? I'm sure some have preferences of both skimpy and fully-clad. It's their character and for them to decide which they prefer. My fiancée falls into the prefer of the skimpy and revealing armors, and always chooses them when presented with both options. Her argument is it makes her character look sexy. My argument is that it makes her character look like life insurance fraud.

Agree to disagree, as they say. Your wife and you have different opinions, and hey, we won't agree over everything, and that's ok!

Edit: Oh, and I also laughed about the life insurance fraud..:write it down and use it again.

Bookwyrm · July 2015

Azurulia wrote: »

Her argument is it makes her character look sexy. My argument is that it makes her character look like life insurance fraud.

You, sir, deserve a cookie. That was brilliant. Thank you for the laugh!

Reeko · July 2015

Machiavelli wrote: »

mmorpg = many men online role playing girls.

Best thing i will take away from this discussion!

CapnPhoton · July 2015

The problem is, everyone has a different level of 'want' for this.

Either people don't care one way or the other, or they want a bit more revealing, such as perhaps more leg and navel (at the most), and others won't be happy until they see something like this:

Ladies of the night and cosplay collection: 3000 crowns.

Any kind of change won't please everyone.

Frankly, I would prefer addressing a few other issues that are more important than vanity.

TheShadowScout · July 2015

Sylance9 wrote: »

Magical world. We can enchant, add traits etc to our armor. We are in a magical land with mages and sorcerers etc. All in all in this world we could spell whatever weight armor to be more powerful, so all of this "it isnt functional" etc is a moot point.

Wrong.
No matter how much magic there is - and TES never had much of the "magic ring of protection that give armor like a suit of chainmail" (that was D&D) - enchanted chainmail bikinis will never ever provide as much protection as equally enchanted field plate armor. No matter how many people will try to cry "but... magic!" to justify their desires. Period.

And that exactly is what usually vexes me in any such discussions, people wanting "sexy" looks for their female characters, but with the same effect as "battle nun full plate mail".
I don't mind sexy looks. As long as its bought by reduced protection.

I say again, the best option for me would be having two versions for each armor piece - a full coverage "cold weather" version with current stats, and a partial coverage "hot weather" version with, say, only ¾ of the armor values. And the two versions could also differ in other aesthetic details... Winter plate and mail or summer cuirass? Winter leggings or summer kilt? Winter fur-lined full helmet or summer open-faced skullcap? Winter boots or summer sandals? Winter full gloves or summer bracers? ...that sort of thing...
I'd totally have both sets for my characters, and switch from one to the other when visiting hot deserts or swamps

Adam_Chattaway · July 2015

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Something that stops you getting stabbed in the heart, liver and *** ain't supposed to be attractive... those Asian mmo girls with a plate Armour bra and thong have a life expectancy of 0.1 seconds.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

@ShadowScout Also another point about ES magic the most magical protection spells I ever seen was barrier magic in oblivion that only gave like 50 armor rateing and the dragon skin in skyrim didn't do much either and wards well there only good for magic spells.

But yea if it shuts people up a options to switch between "hot" and "cold" modes for armor just to show a little bit more skin would be perfect.

arena25 · July 2015

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Something that stops you getting stabbed in the heart, liver and *** ain't supposed to be attractive... those Asian mmo girls with a plate Armour bra and thong have a life expectancy of 0.1 seconds.

What he said.

Anyway, all of you: please look at the video I linked that might shed some light on this...

Naphariel · July 2015

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

We need sexy armour!

Oh, great. Here we go again.

Well the game is M-rated anyway, might as well just embrace it. No reason to keep sticking to the original designs from back when ZoS still thought the game would get a lower rating.

Add sexy costumes to the crown store please. Almalexia's outfit might be a good start.

Farorin · July 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Function > Fashion

And if they add metal bikinis and sexist armor for females they have to add it for males too to prevent some female player sueing ZoS for some sex thing. Point being .................. No want nymphos in metal under wear go mod skyrim.

It's not sexism if men have sexy and attractive looking armour options as well. Which they rightfully should anyway for fairness' sake. It's also not sexism to give someone the option to make a character with sex appeal, it IS sexism to tell someone that a woman's body is something to hide and thus that it is somehow "wrong". Like I said in a previous post, even my wife wants more clothes that can make her characters feel more sexy and less plain.

As for realism, pretty sure all the armour styles in this game would be terrible to actually fight in. For example, horns, spikes, and decoration on armour is unrealistic and liable to get you killed on a battlefield. If you are for realism, I am sure your character is wearing a round helmet without ornamentation, a cloth gamberson, and either plain leather armour by itself, or with chain armour. No decorations, or frills attached, no impractical heavy plate armour which restricts movement, tires the wearer and doesn't allow for any speed, or agility. And if you use a shield, it would have to either be standard kite shield as used by cavelrymen, or a round shield.

Come to think of it, half of the weapons are entirely impractical too, nobody would wield any of the 2H weapons in a fight, they are too big and too heavy. If we are speaking about function being greater than fashion that is.

AlienSlof · July 2015

I'm easy with skimpy and covering armours alike - as long as they are equally skimpy/covering for BOTH genders. When it's a single player game, it doesn't matter one jot what the player wants in their game. Only they will be seeing it. In my single player games, for example, I mod them to make the men sexy - skimpy armours, clothes, nudity, etc. I only have to please myself, and it affects nobody else at all (and those who didn't like that didn't have to download my mods).

However, for a big public game like this that isn't moddable, I really don't want to see boobs hanging out unless I get a similar chests hanging out for the lads! I left Tera because it catered purely for straight guys playing girlies and pedos. Anyone wanting to play a male was minority.

Not all of us dance to the same drum. Equality for all, I say.

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Wolfshead · July 2015

Armor can be made to look "sexy"/good on a female char if is done right and you dont need plate bikini to make it look "sexy"/good. Just by make armor look little more feminine and make fit better on female char body will go long way.

For problem is that armor is made so fit in general on both male and female and the different size you can change to char when you make them.

I have 2 female char and i have to say my NB which wear medium armor that armor she have on her look really good for it fit to her body but my DK female which is wear heavy the armor dont look for it basically dont fit on to her body same way as medium armor on my other char it is as the heavy armor was not made with female in mind when the made them.

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NDwarf · July 2015

Sylance9 wrote: »

Also - Fire whoever made the wedding dress and that evening gown thing. They are terrible.

On the plus side, the male character wearing said dress in Cyrodiil gets focus fired and killed ASAP. That's a good thing when he's on my side and I'm next to him. He gets attacked allowing my nb to slip away unharmed. That white dress is like *taunt* to player characters.

snackrat · July 2015

Well... alright, but makes these new models for the males, too. Like Seducer costume or the early argonian and bosmer do. (Or late bosmer for that matter - dat butt).

Schnuffles · July 2015

CapnPhoton wrote: »

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

I'm sick of people saying revealing armor doesnt belong in an elder scrolls game. These people have obviously not done ANY research on the matter. Elder scrolls has featured TOPLESS women in previous games, and even in recent games armor such as the Forsworn set (see images below) have always been available to the player should they choose to wear it. Allowing players options for such things would not take away another players option to not partake in lore appropriate revealing armor. The game was never intended for children as a few of you keep saying its for kids and adults, NO, it is rated M for MATURE (ADULT) audiences and as an adult creature sexuality is in fact a factor in everyday life. If your children are playing it, it is because you consented to allowing them to see this content when you purchased it for them. This is not the fault of the company but the fault of the parent.

Armor in a videogame also does not have to adhere to strict realism as armor and weapons somehow magically fall from mudcrabs and plants imbued with magical traits somehow already enchanted into them. How is ANY of that realistic?
On a side note this game is hardly even CANON, magical frost horses also don't exist in the game but they are there so enlighten me how adding the already pre-existing armor choices back into the game would somehow be game breaking?

Bethesda created this game and all the lore and characters within it, this includes the armor and clothing. You saying they are unwelcome additions or lore breaking is just infact you breaking the lore and rewriting it to fit your own ideals.

Forsworn armor example

Saviors hide example

BabeestorGor · July 2015

Schnuffles wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

I'm sick of people saying revealing armor doesnt belong in an elder scrolls game. These people have obviously not done ANY research on the matter. Elder scrolls has featured TOPLESS women in previous games, and even in recent games armor such as the Forsworn set (see images below) have always been available to the player should they choose to wear it. Allowing players options for such things would not take away another players option to not partake in lore appropriate revealing armor. The game was never intended for children as a few of you keep saying its for kids and adults, NO, it is rated M for MATURE (ADULT) audiences and as an adult creature sexuality is in fact a factor in everyday life. If your children are playing it, it is because you consented to allowing them to see this content when you purchased it for them. This is not the fault of the company but the fault of the parent.

Armor in a videogame also does not have to adhere to strict realism as armor and weapons somehow magically fall from mudcrabs and plants imbued with magical traits somehow already enchanted into them. How is ANY of that realistic?
On a side note this game is hardly even CANON, magical frost horses also don't exist in the game but they are there so enlighten me how adding the already pre-existing armor choices back into the game would somehow be game breaking?

Bethesda created this game and all the lore and characters within it, this includes the armor and clothing. You saying they are unwelcome additions or lore breaking is just infact you breaking the lore and rewriting it to fit your own ideals.

Forsworn armor example

Saviors hide example

Its a long time since they had topless women in TES, almost 20 years since DF, back in the days when female gamers were very rare.

Personally I wouldn't mind there being skimpy outfits if like others have said they were there for characters of both sexes. Heavy armour should be heavy and cover everything though. Saviours Hide and Forsworn armour were light so medium in TESO terms. Medium and light can be a little revealing/tight-fitting w/o straining plausibility too much. Vanity clothing can be very revealing.