Rev Rielle wrote: »

Metal10957 wrote: »

It's just not attractive. discuss

Sexist much?

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Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Function > Fashion

And if they add metal bikinis and sexist armor for females they have to add it for males too to prevent some female player sueing ZoS for some sex thing. Point being .................. No want nymphos in metal under wear go mod skyrim.

If i wanted to mod skyrim i would, I would rather spend my time and money on this game. I do not want metal bikinis and it is highly irritating that people keep jumping to that conclusion, that is incredibly extremist and by your own standards it is sexist so stop it. you are saying women either have to be completely covered or completely nude. Why?

^^ so you prefer men in robes? I'm not here to debate who likes what, just posting to give a little thought or even humor to the forums. I believe we who post regularly, should be allowed to speak freely. No one forced anyone to reply to this post, however, it's 2 pages now.

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Thank you all for having an open opinion, I have been posting on forums for 20 years. Makes me happy to see some people enjoying a fun thread. Props to Zen for allowing us to have fun.

http://eso-fashion.com/blacksmithing-by-armor-weight/

so people can see all the armors.

I generally don't have a problem with how armor looks compared to male / female, so much as a problem with the armor in question overall. I provided that link so I can explain the problems with just about every armor lol

High Elf - the helm
Ancient Elf - the shoulders and the brown leather does not dye
Argonian - the helm and the bronze metal does not dye, perhaps a little too busy all over makes it overall messy
Barbaric - does not dye well at all
Bosmer - dont mind it really, though I wish the "fur" bits were not shiny, does not look right
Breton - no problem, I like that it looks like classical armor
Daedric - brown straps that don't dye, helm looks like a beetle, shoulders are cool but a tad too big.
Dunmer - HELM! and parts of legs and chest don't dye (like dunmer medium)
Dwemer - gold iron man chest does not dye
Imperial - cloth parts don't dye well, red gems don't dye at all (very cool style though)
Khajiit - Helm Mohawk does not dye (but is badass) but overall armor is cool, helm is badass
Nord - close but too busy overall, lots of little lines and buckles and plates that make it look messy
New Orc - pretty F'n sweet, fur that cannot be dyed, but the rebuild of this armor has done it proud.
Primal - Bone tassets that match no other piece and should have been removed, pretty cool though
New Redguard - helm, other then that its rebuild is fantastic too, the details on the chest and shoulder are gorgeous

that's all my opinion.

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Agreed...

I think the armor is fine as is.

More options. Freedom to choose! come on now people it doesnt have to be one or the other!
Chant with me now.

Freedom of Choice!
Freedom of Choice!

What do we want?
VARIETY!
When do we want it?
SOON! (lmao)

While we are on the subject. I had a mission where I had to beat up a female. Society tells me this is a no no. Could we make female characters immune to damage?

Nah, it's fine as is. If you want some silly revealing armor go wear the Dark Seducer costume. That's your option, go get it. It's a very clear, and honestly refreshing, design decision to keep the armor looking practical and equivalent for all genders. I don't much care what they do for costumes with the dresses and all that junk, but the armor itself should remain as is.

Faulgor wrote: »

I agree. Most female chars still look way too skinny in heavy armor, it sits just too tight.
When I equip heavy armor on my girls, I want to be just as bulky as the boys.

Fully agree.

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

We need sexy armour!

Oh, great. Here we go again.

Everyone wants to get the most out of the game. Some are satisfied with the outfits, some are not. I think everyone understands that and its not a crime to have an opinion.

For me, this is an Elder scrolls game, not final fantasy or any other Japanese game. Within the entire series, its never been about having outfits missing many parts which might require you to think: Do I need some enchantment to make sure it all doesn't fall out when I'm fighting?

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

Google the box art for Elder Scrolls Arena. I by no means want that for ESO, but it's a bit annoying when there are NPC's who have figure flattering armor that a player character cannot hope to replica.

dday3six wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

We need sexy armour!

Oh, great. Here we go again.

Everyone wants to get the most out of the game. Some are satisfied with the outfits, some are not. I think everyone understands that and its not a crime to have an opinion.

For me, this is an Elder scrolls game, not final fantasy or any other Japanese game. Within the entire series, its never been about having outfits missing many parts which might require you to think: Do I need some enchantment to make sure it all doesn't fall out when I'm fighting?

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

Google the box art for Elder Scrolls Arena. I by no means want that for ESO, but it's a bit annoying when there are NPC's who have figure flattering armor that a player character cannot hope to replica.

It bothers me that people fall back on the oldest Elder Scrolls game...one that was released in 1994 and whose graphics couldn't even begin to render anything a clear as the box art (yes, there was nudity in the game, but it was all extraordinarily pixellated) when these arguments come up. Daggerfall also had some of the same, but it was the next main installment and was released in 1996.

There have been three main games since those two (Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) and none of them have had female armor like that nor nudity. Suggestive themes, sure, but definitely no armor like that on the Arena box art...and they've clearly been trying to distance themselves from that for years. The armor in all three of the "most recent" games has been practical, and sometimes even less appealing (on female forms in particular) than much of the armor in ESO.

I'm not saying ESO's got it 100% right, but it kills me when people point to a game that's 20 years old and ignore the way the series has evolved over the years...which is ridiculously common when it comes to this topic.

I don't mind seeing some more "revealing" clothes (not armor...clothes, MAYBE light armor) and costumes, but I think the heavy armor looks fantastic in most motifs. I actually liked the changes to the Orc heavy armor...I always thought the boob window looked out of place, and I think it still looks fantastic. My Imperial wears it and rocks it. I didn't like the changes to Redguard light armor, though. That was disappointing and unnecessary.

And as has been mentioned, if we're going to create more revealing clothes/light armor/costumes for the ladies, the gentlemen better prepare for just as much skin on their side.

I will say that the moment they begin to cater to the whims of the free-to-play Asian MMO crowd, I will happily return to single-player Elder Scrolls without batting an eye, because that will be the day they throw "Elder Scrolls" out the window, regardless of the Arena box art.

Bookwyrm wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

We need sexy armour!

Oh, great. Here we go again.

Everyone wants to get the most out of the game. Some are satisfied with the outfits, some are not. I think everyone understands that and its not a crime to have an opinion.

For me, this is an Elder scrolls game, not final fantasy or any other Japanese game. Within the entire series, its never been about having outfits missing many parts which might require you to think: Do I need some enchantment to make sure it all doesn't fall out when I'm fighting?

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

Google the box art for Elder Scrolls Arena. I by no means want that for ESO, but it's a bit annoying when there are NPC's who have figure flattering armor that a player character cannot hope to replica.

It bothers me that people fall back on the oldest Elder Scrolls game...one that was released in 1994 and whose graphics couldn't even begin to render anything a clear as the box art (yes, there was nudity in the game, but it was all extraordinarily pixellated) when these arguments come up. Daggerfall also had some of the same, but it was the next main installment and was released in 1996.

There have been three main games since those two (Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) and none of them have had female armor like that nor nudity. Suggestive themes, sure, but definitely no armor like that on the Arena box art...and they've clearly been trying to distance themselves from that for years. The armor in all three of the "most recent" games has been practical, and sometimes even less appealing (on female forms in particular) than much of the armor in ESO.

I'm not saying ESO's got it 100% right, but it kills me when people point to a game that's 20 years old and ignore the way the series has evolved over the years...which is ridiculously common when it comes to this topic.

I don't mind seeing some more "revealing" clothes (not armor...clothes, MAYBE light armor) and costumes, but I think the heavy armor looks fantastic in most motifs. I actually liked the changes to the Orc heavy armor...I always thought the boob window looked out of place, and I think it still looks fantastic. My Imperial wears it and rocks it. I didn't like the changes to Redguard light armor, though. That was disappointing and unnecessary.

And as has been mentioned, if we're going to create more revealing clothes/light armor/costumes for the ladies, the gentlemen better prepare for just as much skin on their side.

I will say that the moment they begin to cater to the whims of the free-to-play Asian MMO crowd, I will happily return to single-player Elder Scrolls without batting an eye, because that will be the day they throw "Elder Scrolls" out the window, regardless of the Arena box art.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, mate.

I don't think they're going to show more skin anyway, mainly because ZOS is going to try and get a T rating (and will still not get it).

Psychobunni wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

We need sexy armour!

Oh, great. Here we go again.

Everyone wants to get the most out of the game. Some are satisfied with the outfits, some are not. I think everyone understands that and its not a crime to have an opinion.

For me, this is an Elder scrolls game, not final fantasy or any other Japanese game. Within the entire series, its never been about having outfits missing many parts which might require you to think: Do I need some enchantment to make sure it all doesn't fall out when I'm fighting?

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

Google the box art for Elder Scrolls Arena. I by no means want that for ESO, but it's a bit annoying when there are NPC's who have figure flattering armor that a player character cannot hope to replica.

It bothers me that people fall back on the oldest Elder Scrolls game...one that was released in 1994 and whose graphics couldn't even begin to render anything a clear as the box art (yes, there was nudity in the game, but it was all extraordinarily pixellated) when these arguments come up. Daggerfall also had some of the same, but it was the next main installment and was released in 1996.

There have been three main games since those two (Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) and none of them have had female armor like that nor nudity. Suggestive themes, sure, but definitely no armor like that on the Arena box art...and they've clearly been trying to distance themselves from that for years. The armor in all three of the "most recent" games has been practical, and sometimes even less appealing (on female forms in particular) than much of the armor in ESO.

I'm not saying ESO's got it 100% right, but it kills me when people point to a game that's 20 years old and ignore the way the series has evolved over the years...which is ridiculously common when it comes to this topic.

I don't mind seeing some more "revealing" clothes (not armor...clothes, MAYBE light armor) and costumes, but I think the heavy armor looks fantastic in most motifs. I actually liked the changes to the Orc heavy armor...I always thought the boob window looked out of place, and I think it still looks fantastic. My Imperial wears it and rocks it. I didn't like the changes to Redguard light armor, though. That was disappointing and unnecessary.

And as has been mentioned, if we're going to create more revealing clothes/light armor/costumes for the ladies, the gentlemen better prepare for just as much skin on their side.

I will say that the moment they begin to cater to the whims of the free-to-play Asian MMO crowd, I will happily return to single-player Elder Scrolls without batting an eye, because that will be the day they throw "Elder Scrolls" out the window, regardless of the Arena box art.

Not to mention that the gaming audience of 20 years ago and the gaming audience of today are vastly different

What he said...a lot can change in 20 years, including target audiences.

arena25 wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

We need sexy armour!

Oh, great. Here we go again.

Everyone wants to get the most out of the game. Some are satisfied with the outfits, some are not. I think everyone understands that and its not a crime to have an opinion.

For me, this is an Elder scrolls game, not final fantasy or any other Japanese game. Within the entire series, its never been about having outfits missing many parts which might require you to think: Do I need some enchantment to make sure it all doesn't fall out when I'm fighting?

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

Google the box art for Elder Scrolls Arena. I by no means want that for ESO, but it's a bit annoying when there are NPC's who have figure flattering armor that a player character cannot hope to replica.

It bothers me that people fall back on the oldest Elder Scrolls game...one that was released in 1994 and whose graphics couldn't even begin to render anything a clear as the box art (yes, there was nudity in the game, but it was all extraordinarily pixellated) when these arguments come up. Daggerfall also had some of the same, but it was the next main installment and was released in 1996.

There have been three main games since those two (Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) and none of them have had female armor like that nor nudity. Suggestive themes, sure, but definitely no armor like that on the Arena box art...and they've clearly been trying to distance themselves from that for years. The armor in all three of the "most recent" games has been practical, and sometimes even less appealing (on female forms in particular) than much of the armor in ESO.

I'm not saying ESO's got it 100% right, but it kills me when people point to a game that's 20 years old and ignore the way the series has evolved over the years...which is ridiculously common when it comes to this topic.

I don't mind seeing some more "revealing" clothes (not armor...clothes, MAYBE light armor) and costumes, but I think the heavy armor looks fantastic in most motifs. I actually liked the changes to the Orc heavy armor...I always thought the boob window looked out of place, and I think it still looks fantastic. My Imperial wears it and rocks it. I didn't like the changes to Redguard light armor, though. That was disappointing and unnecessary.

And as has been mentioned, if we're going to create more revealing clothes/light armor/costumes for the ladies, the gentlemen better prepare for just as much skin on their side.

I will say that the moment they begin to cater to the whims of the free-to-play Asian MMO crowd, I will happily return to single-player Elder Scrolls without batting an eye, because that will be the day they throw "Elder Scrolls" out the window, regardless of the Arena box art.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, mate.

I don't think they're going to show more skin anyway, mainly because ZOS is going to try and get a T rating (and will still not get it).

Lol, sorry, the Arena thing is a touchy subject with me, mostly because it comes up in pretty much every single argument about this particular topic. People use it as a "see, Elder Scrolls already did it so they need to do it again" completely ignoring how much the game has improved over the past two decades...and how gaming in general has improved over the past two decades. I didn't mean to come off as being angry with you or anything. I apologize if that's how it sounded.

Edited to add: @dday3six I meant this for you, not the person I initially responded to. Although it works all around. I did read what you wrote, but as I mention people bring up the Arena box art as an example in these threads constantly and it's exhausting. My text wall was aimed more at that crowd, not directly at you.

Bookwyrm wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

We need sexy armour!

Oh, great. Here we go again.

Everyone wants to get the most out of the game. Some are satisfied with the outfits, some are not. I think everyone understands that and its not a crime to have an opinion.

For me, this is an Elder scrolls game, not final fantasy or any other Japanese game. Within the entire series, its never been about having outfits missing many parts which might require you to think: Do I need some enchantment to make sure it all doesn't fall out when I'm fighting?

The clothing is appropriate to what it actually does, protect. If there were outfits that were a little more revealing, it might be ok, but lets not forget, ES has never been about that.

Google the box art for Elder Scrolls Arena. I by no means want that for ESO, but it's a bit annoying when there are NPC's who have figure flattering armor that a player character cannot hope to replica.

It bothers me that people fall back on the oldest Elder Scrolls game...one that was released in 1994 and whose graphics couldn't even begin to render anything a clear as the box art (yes, there was nudity in the game, but it was all extraordinarily pixellated) when these arguments come up. Daggerfall also had some of the same, but it was the next main installment and was released in 1996.

There have been three main games since those two (Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) and none of them have had female armor like that nor nudity. Suggestive themes, sure, but definitely no armor like that on the Arena box art...and they've clearly been trying to distance themselves from that for years. The armor in all three of the "most recent" games has been practical, and sometimes even less appealing (on female forms in particular) than much of the armor in ESO.

I'm not saying ESO's got it 100% right, but it kills me when people point to a game that's 20 years old and ignore the way the series has evolved over the years...which is ridiculously common when it comes to this topic.

I don't mind seeing some more "revealing" clothes (not armor...clothes, MAYBE light armor) and costumes, but I think the heavy armor looks fantastic in most motifs. I actually liked the changes to the Orc heavy armor...I always thought the boob window looked out of place, and I think it still looks fantastic. My Imperial wears it and rocks it. I didn't like the changes to Redguard light armor, though. That was disappointing and unnecessary.

And as has been mentioned, if we're going to create more revealing clothes/light armor/costumes for the ladies, the gentlemen better prepare for just as much skin on their side.

I will say that the moment they begin to cater to the whims of the free-to-play Asian MMO crowd, I will happily return to single-player Elder Scrolls without batting an eye, because that will be the day they throw "Elder Scrolls" out the window, regardless of the Arena box art.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, mate.

I don't think they're going to show more skin anyway, mainly because ZOS is going to try and get a T rating (and will still not get it).

Lol, sorry, the Arena thing is a touchy subject with me, mostly because it comes up in pretty much every single argument about this particular topic. People use it as a "see, Elder Scrolls already did it so they need to do it again" completely ignoring how much the game has improved over the past two decades...and how gaming in general has improved over the past two decades. I didn't mean to come off as being angry with you or anything. I apologize if that's how it sounded.

Edited to add: @dday3six I meant this for you, not the person I initially responded to. Although it works all around. I did read what you wrote, but as I mention people bring up the Arena box art as an example in these threads constantly and it's exhausting. My text wall was aimed more at that crowd, not directly at you.

Apology accepted.

Anyway, as I said, ZOS is trying to get a T rating (and failing), so unless they want to make full use of the M rating (and likely lose a lot of players in the process), I think whatever this "Arena box art" thing is about will not be implemented.