ESO named MMORPG's best MMO of 2015 (so far)
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Huh. I wasn't aware that MMORPG was still a going concern. Color me surprised.
ESO does deserve to be at or near the top of lists like this. I do think it is a great game. I am a fan, although not a blind one. ZOS has some talented people working for them. The world design, art, and audio teams, in particular, have every reason to be proud of this game. The people who do combat, crafting, quests, and various systems are not bad, but they could use some improvement. Those categories are quite broad, and some areas are much better than others.
Right now, I give the game a subjective "B" overall.Sallington wrote: »I felt immersed in the world when playing WoW and LOTRO back in the day as well.
I am not an immersion player. I can be fooled by suspension of disbelief, but I am not looking for immersion and I never feel that I get "kicked out of it" when I play. With the establishment of the fact that I would not know immersion if it walked up and slapped me with a salmon, this is the first time I can recall having heard anyone use the word "immersive" when talking about World of Warcraft. Characters where the hands are as large as a small dog, and bigger on the males, and an environment that looks like it was painted in latex, just seems to me to be pretty much the definition of not being immersive.
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Yea its only show hove bad the mmorpgs are out there, if a game as ESO can get that focus.
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✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Huh. I wasn't aware that MMORPG was still a going concern. Color me surprised.
ESO does deserve to be at or near the top of lists like this. I do think it is a great game. I am a fan, although not a blind one. ZOS has some talented people working for them. The world design, art, and audio teams, in particular, have every reason to be proud of this game. The people who do combat, crafting, quests, and various systems are not bad, but they could use some improvement. Those categories are quite broad, and some areas are much better than others.
Right now, I give the game a subjective "B" overall.Sallington wrote: »I felt immersed in the world when playing WoW and LOTRO back in the day as well.
I am not an immersion player. I can be fooled by suspension of disbelief, but I am not looking for immersion and I never feel that I get "kicked out of it" when I play. With the establishment of the fact that I would not know immersion if it walked up and slapped me with a salmon, this is the first time I can recall having heard anyone use the word "immersive" when talking about World of Warcraft. Characters where the hands are as large as a small dog, and bigger on the males, and an environment that looks like it was painted in latex, just seems to me to be pretty much the definition of not being immersive.
I don't mean immersed as in realistic, and I felt like I "became" my toon. I mean it in the sense that the world/community/whatever made it feel like something everyone was a part of.Daggerfall Covenant
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✭Sallington wrote: »Sallington wrote: »Sallington wrote: »Sallington wrote: »Sallington wrote: »
It's amazing how anyone who actually likes the game is a fan boy.
Constructive retorn, son
When you agree with anything good that is said about something, even if it's overwhelmingly untrue, then that makes you a fan boy.
Actually, that is also not true.
You see, the feeling, especially on these boards about the game is overwhelmingly negative, stemming back to when the game was first announced and how everyone just wanted a Skyrim Online or an Elder Scrolls VI. It has never quite managed to shake that negativity.
Do I think everything Zenimax has done is right? Good lord no. Not in a million years. Not even close.
But this is a huge online version of Tamriel that allows me to play with friends in my favourite gaming world.
So ... If I like the game, despite its glaring flaws, it is my absolute right to do so.
Fair enough. I think that ZOS trying to cater to both people that wanted a full-on Elder Scrolls MMO and the people that wanted a "Skyrim Online" at the same time is really where most problems/complaints stem from. They tried to include everyone, made a watered down version of both, and they have a bunch of people form both sides upset.
If they would have focused more on making it a true MMO, with less of a focus on all this immersion balogna, I'd be much happier.
Nothing wrong with immersion IMO. You can always just ignore that aspect, whereas an MMO with zero immersion doesn't offer anything for players that do want it.
There's been plenty of immersion in other MMOs (or games in general), but you might need to use your imagination. The problems arise when they try to force immersion through game mechanics that affect the gameplay of an MMO.
"Immersion" in MMOs just isn't the same as single-player RPG. In MMOs you get immersed in the community, of it feeling like a real world you're apart of. ZOS tried to use the same immersion tactics they use in the single-player ES games, and it failed in my opinion.
The only MMOs I've played that had "community immersion" were ones that also had forced grouping (FFXI, DAoC, Lineage2, etc). Otherwise the community just went off and did their own thing more or less. Can you give me an example of an MMO with better immersion than ESO?
Without a doubt SWG (RIP). I felt immersed in the world when playing WoW and LOTRO back in the day as well.
We definitely have different opinions of WoW. The Cartoon Network environments completely turned me off and eventually drove me away from the game. It had the worst community and quest system of any MMO I've ever played. Couldn't stand seeing another player in the same area I was in because of the atrocious competition for *everything* (in a cooperative MMO no less). And I never cared one bit about any of the quests I was doing.
What?!?!? You didn't like collecting 10 wolf pelts?
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✭✭Sallington wrote: »One post for the negativity to seep in. One post.
Is that a record?
It's never too early for @Sallington to pop in, claim he no longer plays but just trolls the forums while at work, and then proceed to crap all over the game.
EDIT: All in a day's work.
And the daily tagteam from you too as well defending against whatever opinions I have. SSDD
So you admit your only purpose for being on these forums is to berate those of us who enjoy the game?
Some people are only happy when they are unhappy. They refuse to see any positive in any situation. They also lash out at anyone that has anything remotely positive to say because it makes them feel good by trying to make happy people feel unhappy. The word "fanboy" is nothing but a tool used by angry people that are unhappy because other people are happy.
ESO has it's problems. Some of them major. But it's a solid game with many many happy customers. It's possible to LIKE THE GAME w/o thinking it's perfect. Some people fail to understand this. So every time someone has something positive to say, they are labeled a fanboy. It's ridiculous.
Edited by Alphashado on July 16, 2015 7:13PM4 -
Khumbu✭✭✭Considering the state of MMOS at the moment, yes, ESO does deserve a top 5 listing. Although it's my favorite to play now, I think it has a unique niche to offer people as a realistic, "traditional medieval fantasy" style MMO that doesn't feel lifeless. (cough EQ2 cough)3 -
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Nice to see it getting some respect.
Isn't this the only known MMO of 2015? lol DC Universe Online definitely won't take the cake the game is 4 years old.I Demand A Trial By Combat... - Tyrion Lannister
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✭Alphashado wrote: »
So every time someone has something positive to say, they are labeled a fanboy. It's ridiculous.Sallington wrote: »One post for the negativity to seep in. One post.
Is that a record?
It's never too early for @Sallington to pop in, claim he no longer plays but just trolls the forums while at work, and then proceed to crap all over the game.
EDIT: All in a day's work.
And the daily tagteam from you too as well defending against whatever opinions I have. SSDD
So you admit your only purpose for being on these forums is to berate those of us who enjoy the game?
That's the way these forums, and the internet as a whole, works.
If you like something, you're a fanboy/white-knight.
If you dislike something, you're a whiner/troll.
I do agree though, it's ridiculous that people have such a "with me or against me" view towards opinions.0 -
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✭Say what you want about ESO, but it's tops my list if simply by virtue of being the only MMO I'm still playing.
Nothing else has managed to grab and keep me interested long enough."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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✭✭✭✭✭"Things were bad back then, but they’re all just a memory now."
That's the real LOL sentence. Things weren't that bad back then, things aren't that bad now.
It's just ESO is so aggravatingly underwhelming when you balance its best aspects against its worst. It's one thing to be consistently terrible. It's another to have a lot of resources and potential and use them to make something that's just average.
It's like opening a beautiful upscale restaurant in New York City and serving peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. It gets the job done, but you know you can do a whole lot better.signing off4 -
Duragon_Darko✭✭✭Fantastic for a solo RPG, but in an MMO; even for a console; you need communication. Most console players will leave at endgame with no text pr guild chat to form raids with. But the best RPG I've played in a while. A shame..... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.0 -
Krossus✭✭✭I'm glad ESO is getting some positive reviews. I love this game, so do my friends. When I played on the PC, during the initial launch, I only played for about 4 months before I quit. One of the reasons I quit was because all of my friends were on the console, and wouldn't play the PC version because they were waiting for the console version. Now that the console version is out, we've been having a blast and to be honest, the console is a natural fit for ESO. So thank you ZOS for bringing this wonderful MMO to the console fan base, and we look forward to the future and potential this game has.Know thyself, know thy enemy; a thousand battles, a thousand victories.......................Sun Tzu0 -
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✭✭Alphashado wrote: »
So every time someone has something positive to say, they are labeled a fanboy. It's ridiculous.Sallington wrote: »One post for the negativity to seep in. One post.
Is that a record?
It's never too early for @Sallington to pop in, claim he no longer plays but just trolls the forums while at work, and then proceed to crap all over the game.
EDIT: All in a day's work.
And the daily tagteam from you too as well defending against whatever opinions I have. SSDD
So you admit your only purpose for being on these forums is to berate those of us who enjoy the game?
That's the way these forums, and the internet as a whole, works.
If you like something, you're a fanboy/white-knight.
If you dislike something, you're a whiner/troll.
I do agree though, it's ridiculous that people have such a "with me or against me" view towards opinions.
Indeed it does go both ways. I've been called a hater when I bring up concerns, then I've been called a fanboy 5 mins later in a different thread because I supported ZoS in that thread. Like you said, it's almost impossible to be perceived as a rational, open-minded person on the internet. Everyone expects you to be on one side of the isle or the other, and if you see things differently on any particular subject, you acquire a label. Kinda sad really. The internet community has evolved into a torch and pitchfork mob just itching to lynch people that disagree with them.
ESO has pros and cons. Good and bad. I think it's an above average MMO that has some great qualities and some things that need major attention. Honestly I'm happy that its getting good reviews for a change. It only means more people coming in and more revenue for the future of the game.
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