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"Disagree" Post Option.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sithisvoid wrote: »Yeah kind of defeats the purpose of votes if the vote can only go up. What if many people disagree but don't feel like commenting and starting a flame war?
Yes, just anonymously hit the "Disagree" button and let your mighty voice boom across the forums like the vengeful wind that it is!
If you feel so strongly about a post that you disagree with it and would take a moment to push a button, then take a moment to say why. Expressing a well thought and constructive opinion isn't going to start a flame war. Same goes for "Agree", etc.
But then it wouldn't be a forum. It would be an adult discussion. That's no fun.
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Azurulia✭✭✭A disagreement does not have to be negative. I believe most people are just emotionally invested and will let this leak into their response to something by accident or on purpose. I have found many ways to disagree with someone that does not require any negativity.
Right. A "Disagree" isn't a dislike. It doesn't mean that someone doesn't "LIKE" what you posted. It's not a thumbs down because someone doesn't "APPROVE" of what you posted.
It simply means someone disagreed with what you posted. Nothing negative there.
Dislike button, please! Thank you!
Edited by Azurulia on July 16, 2015 8:16PMCriminal Scum:
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^^ This. I think a Disagree button would be great, as long as we can see the total number of Agree's and Disagree's side-by-side...seems more informative. I don't want Disagree's to subtract from the Agree count or vice versa.Spectral_Lord wrote: »
Just don't make it in a way that a disagree will take off one point.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭So with me being new to the game and these forums, one thing that boggles my mind is how there is an agree, insightful and awesome post "rating", yet there is no "Disagree" option. To which I ask, why not?
I understand the whole "Maintaining a positive and healthy environment." However by there being no option to silently disagree with something, you have to vocally disagree, which can often be very negative. If I disagree with something that seems to have a bit of agrees and such I feel obligated to post and speak against it, where as I would have just thumbs down, clicked disagree or whatever and just moved on.
There are discussions and opinions that I disagree with and would rather not partake in an open discussion with them, as they can get ugly or very lengthy; yet I still "voice" my opinion, if that makes sense.
So I ask, can we have a simple "disagree" option for posts? And if not, why?
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭And I'm confused by what the "Awesome" button means. What is this, 1985 Anaheim? No one has used the term "Awesome" in decades.2 -
Azurulia✭✭✭"Spectral_Lord wrote: »Disagree medals, anyone?
"250 Disagree badge"
"You're not afraid to ask the tough questions or back the unpopular opinions. Thanks for keeping things interesting!"
Earning disagrees doesn't have to be a negative thing.
I would like something more realistic , less presumptuous and less cheesy ego stroking like:
"250 Disagree badge."
"Most people think you are an a**hat and your ideas stink. You however don't give any flying guar fart about that. keep on rolling "
Yeah, something like that would be great. I was simply using mine as an example how it doesn't have to be a negative thing.Spectral_Lord wrote: »
While this is true, there are enough people who will still take a disagree as something personal or negative.A disagreement does not have to be negative. I believe most people are just emotionally invested and will let this leak into their response to something by accident or on purpose. I have found many ways to disagree with someone that does not require any negativity.
Right. A "Disagree" isn't a dislike. It doesn't mean that someone doesn't "LIKE" what you posted. It's not a thumbs down because someone doesn't "APPROVE" of what you posted.
It simply means someone disagreed with what you posted. Nothing negative there.
While it is unfortunate that you are probably right, it is however, up to the person to how they react to it.
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Edited by Azurulia on July 16, 2015 8:20PMCriminal Scum:
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J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭
I think you are misunderstanding something here, so let me explain in detail.
People in the thread have said "Just agree with the people who post about disagreeing with." His post goes on to show it isn't that simple, and it doesn't work that way. He mention of feeling that he believes with the poster being short sighted and not seeing the big picture of it not being that simple, or that black and white.
I Agree with this.
Now the very same post that mentions unicorns, bondage gear and guns, I disagree with this. (The gun part anyway.)
Simply clicking agree on his post doesn't work, because I disagree with the second part. However at the same time, clicking disagree doesn't work because I agree with the first part. While you may see this as only showing that agree and disagree being both pointless, you are missing hidden option number 3.
Abstain.
Or the choice of simply choosing not to click like or dislike. That is how a post like that would be handled if we had both like or dislike. That or quote the part you agree with, which then could be agreed or disagreed by others from there.
Either way, it still supports the dislike button. Like I said, it's a clever post.
You basically rewrote what I said. It seems we all agree that the post was designed to show two opinions in which 1 would be agreed with and 1 would be disagreed with. His post only shows that there are situations where both buttons are useless. It does not support the disagree button at all. Just like it doesn't support the agree button either. The best argument I saw for having a disagree button was along the lines of "People do not want to be harassed for having a differing opinion." It's a fair point. I agree with it. Of course I could've been like some people in this thread and said something along the lines of, "the pansies in this politically correct world need to stop worrying about their feelings being hurt", but I'm not that type of guy.
My original post was targeted at you saying the agree button doesn't allow both sides to have their voice heard. That's not true. Both sides can equally utilize the button. I guess me pointing that out is "short-sighted". Threads could literally be only two posts of differing opinions with a bunch of agrees. Hell, they could be two posts with a bunch of disagrees. I imagine it doesn't go like that because, as you said, everything is not so black and white. This is a discussion thread, the buttons take away from that. I honestly would prefer the only button that exist is the insightful. With insighful, it doesn't matter if you disagree or agree with a post. A good post is a good post. Of course the buttons probably keep the forums a little cleaner.
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Duragon_Darko✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »There used to be, but unfortunately we live in a pansy politically correct world where you might hurt someone's feelings, and it was removed.
THIS. Like the losing team in soccer for my 5 year old's league still got trophies, even though they were last. Dude, they lost? In the really world, I wish I got a trophy for getting fired..... wtf. We should be free to disagree. Trolling happens no matter what. Maybe don't cause the disagree to lose a point?.... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.0 -
Kuroinu✭✭✭✭✭Forums can be negative enough. Most human beings can't be trusted to not misuse a negative option such as a disagree button when they can hide behind avatars on the internet. Besides you can see clear enough when people agree and disagree with the current system. If anything maybe people should use the "Poll" option more if they really want to see more accurately who agrees and disagrees.
I do like the "LOL" button though, should have that again.0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.
Disagree.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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WebBull✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.
Excellent. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with people. That is what opinions are about.2 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭For what it's worth, Reddit has upvote and downvote buttons and the "atmosphere" on the game's official subreddit is like night and day compared to here. I'm not saying which is better or which is a more accurate representation of reality, but night and day. Come join us:
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Disagree.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Azurulia✭✭✭And I'm confused by what the "Awesome" button means. What is this, 1985 Anaheim? No one has used the term "Awesome" in decades.
*Clicks "Awesome"*
I use t everyday!
I think you are misunderstanding something here, so let me explain in detail.
People in the thread have said "Just agree with the people who post about disagreeing with." His post goes on to show it isn't that simple, and it doesn't work that way. He mention of feeling that he believes with the poster being short sighted and not seeing the big picture of it not being that simple, or that black and white.
I Agree with this.
Now the very same post that mentions unicorns, bondage gear and guns, I disagree with this. (The gun part anyway.)
Simply clicking agree on his post doesn't work, because I disagree with the second part. However at the same time, clicking disagree doesn't work because I agree with the first part. While you may see this as only showing that agree and disagree being both pointless, you are missing hidden option number 3.
Abstain.
Or the choice of simply choosing not to click like or dislike. That is how a post like that would be handled if we had both like or dislike. That or quote the part you agree with, which then could be agreed or disagreed by others from there.
Either way, it still supports the dislike button. Like I said, it's a clever post.
You basically rewrote what I said. It seems we all agree that the post was designed to show two opinions in which 1 would be agreed with and 1 would be disagreed with. His post only shows that there are situations where both buttons are useless. It does not support the disagree button at all. Just like it doesn't support the agree button either. The best argument I saw for having a disagree button was along the lines of "People do not want to be harassed for having a differing opinion." It's a fair point. I agree with it. Of course I could've been like some people in this thread and said something along the lines of, "the pansies in this politically correct world need to stop worrying about their feelings being hurt", but I'm not that type of guy.
My original post was targeted at you saying the agree button doesn't allow both sides to have their voice heard. That's not true. Both sides can equally utilize the button. I guess me pointing that out is "short-sighted". Threads could literally be only two posts of differing opinions with a bunch of agrees. Hell, they could be two posts with a bunch of disagrees. I imagine it doesn't go like that because, as you said, everything is not so black and white. This is a discussion thread, the buttons take away from that. I honestly would prefer the only button that exist is the insightful. With insighful, it doesn't matter if you disagree or agree with a post. A good post is a good post. Of course the buttons probably keep the forums a little cleaner.
I don't see the dislike button taking away from a discussion thread, but adding to it. It allows thsoe who do not wish to post, not post; yet still have their voice heard. As someone earlier said, those who feel strongly enough about soemthing, be it agree or disagree, are still going to post anyway.
I think there's some saying about people see and interpret things differently from person to person that I'd use here, but I don't remember exactly how it goes.
We both have made our points, but seem to see the same things differently. So let's just agree to disagree, shall we?
Edited by Azurulia on July 16, 2015 8:30PMCriminal Scum:
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Rox83✭✭✭In my opinion I don't think one is needed. If you don't agree then say why or if you see someone else post who disagrees too then agree with with them.1 -
BurtFreeman✭✭✭i agrre, it is pretty logic condition to have a disagree option.
unfortunately, logic is not so popular recentlyEdited by BurtFreeman on July 16, 2015 8:33PM0 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭THE SHORT ANSWER: We live in a "Political correctness" world where we are not allowed to disagree or offend anyone.0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »THE SHORT ANSWER: We live in a "Political correctness" world where we are not allowed to disagree or offend anyone.
Disagree.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Banky71✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »I still waiting for my cheeseburger pizza form the disagree poll thread.
It's gone. I may cry now.If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both.
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✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.
the forums are already quite negative.Rest in Peace:
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