"Disagree" Post Option.

Azurulia · July 2015

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.

Just don't make it in a way that a disagree will take off one point.

^ This. This. This. This.

being able to see the NUMBERS of both sides is extremely important! Something could be a very hot debate, silently, with a lot of agree and disagrees, but only be a few points up or down from the other side.

Banky71 · July 2015

I can see both sides. Maybe what we really need is a "Agree to Disagree" button.

Samadhi · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.

It is worth a lot, thank you for commenting.

I'm right there with the mod team as far as moderation and keeping a healthy forum environment goes, however I am concerned about only 1 side having the ability to silently speak up. This essentially doesn't accomplish much for opinions, discussions or debates.

Because sometimes people really don't want to speak up against others, or even wait for a post of opposition, because they could very well not agree with what they have to say either, even if it does stand to counter the original statement, suggestion or opinion.

Things are not so black and white that you can simply wait and ride on another persons view to express your agreement or disagreement to the original message. Being able to directly disagree with a single posts message is very important.

I find the bolded to be false as the system works both ways. If me and you both post opinions that are opposite of each other, anyone reading can click agree on the one that expresses their opinion. The disagree button promotes only one side speaking up more than the current system imo. Everyone who agrees will ciclejerk each other in the thread while everyone who disagrees won't say anything. Also, if you disagree with a post you can't tell why the person disagrees. Valid points which could make OP change their mind may not be expressed. On the other hand, it's more obvious why someone agrees with you.

I find the bolded/italicized to be short-sighted. Anyone who agrees with me can click agree.

I also think there should be pink unicorns, bondage gear sets, and guns in ESO. Now anyone clicking agree will also be agreeing with this, despite the fact they may not like anything more than my first two sentences.

Azurulia · July 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.

It is worth a lot, thank you for commenting.

I'm right there with the mod team as far as moderation and keeping a healthy forum environment goes, however I am concerned about only 1 side having the ability to silently speak up. This essentially doesn't accomplish much for opinions, discussions or debates.

Because sometimes people really don't want to speak up against others, or even wait for a post of opposition, because they could very well not agree with what they have to say either, even if it does stand to counter the original statement, suggestion or opinion.

Things are not so black and white that you can simply wait and ride on another persons view to express your agreement or disagreement to the original message. Being able to directly disagree with a single posts message is very important.

I find the bolded to be false as the system works both ways. If me and you both post opinions that are opposite of each other, anyone reading can click agree on the one that expresses their opinion. The disagree button promotes only one side speaking up more than the current system imo. Everyone who agrees will ciclejerk each other in the thread while everyone who disagrees won't say anything. Also, if you disagree with a post you can't tell why the person disagrees. Valid points which could make OP change their mind may not be expressed. On the other hand, it's more obvious why someone agrees with you.

I find the bolded/italicized to be short-sighted. Anyone who agrees with me can click agree.

I also think there should be pink unicorns, bondage gear sets, and guns in ESO. Now anyone clicking agree will also be agreeing with this, despite the fact they may not like anything more than my first two sentences.

* Clicks agree*

But seriously, like I said in my other post, it's not so black and white that you can simply use another another persons post of opposition to be a flagship for your own. It is quite possible it could include elements that you disagree with, even if they disagree with the post or message in question as well.

A Disagree button is important.

J2JMC · July 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

I find the bolded/italicized to be short-sighted. Anyone who agrees with me can click agree.

I also think there should be pink unicorns, bondage gear sets, and guns in ESO. Now anyone clicking agree will also be agreeing with this, despite the fact they may not like anything more than my first two sentences.

@Samadhi

Why? Azurulia said that the current system only allows one side to have their voice heard. That's not true. So why exactly is what you bolded/italicized short sighted? As for your unicorn example, the same could be said for a disagree button. Someone might disagree with your first point but love bondage gear. So I don't see what point you're trying to make.

At best, you make an argument for not having an agree or disagree button. Honestly I'm not 100 percent against it, but those who aren't comfortable with writing shouldn't have to write in order for their voices to be heard. Especially if someone has already said it well enough.

Azurulia · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

I find the bolded/italicized to be short-sighted. Anyone who agrees with me can click agree.

I also think there should be pink unicorns, bondage gear sets, and guns in ESO. Now anyone clicking agree will also be agreeing with this, despite the fact they may not like anything more than my first two sentences.

@Samadhi

Why? Azurulia said that the current system only allows one side to have their voice heard. That's not true. So why exactly is what you bolded/italicized short sighted? As for your unicorn example, the same could be said for a disagree button. Someone might disagree with your first point but love bondage gear. So I don't see what point you're trying to make.

At best, you make an argument for not having an agree or disagree button. Honestly I'm not 100 percent against it, but those who aren't comfortable with writing shouldn't have to write in order for their voices to be heard. Especially if someone has already said it well enough.

Actually, by his post being able to be argued both ways only further proves his point. It's a very clever post.

*Edit* As for why he says he finds it short sighted, is the poster is missing the big picture, which is his unicorn and bondage gear statement goes on to explain why.

Again, it's a very clever post. I think it just might have gone over your head.

DenMoria · July 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.

It is worth a lot, thank you for commenting.

I'm right there with the mod team as far as moderation and keeping a healthy forum environment goes, however I am concerned about only 1 side having the ability to silently speak up. This essentially doesn't accomplish much for opinions, discussions or debates.

Because sometimes people really don't want to speak up against others, or even wait for a post of opposition, because they could very well not agree with what they have to say either, even if it does stand to counter the original statement, suggestion or opinion.

Things are not so black and white that you can simply wait and ride on another persons view to express your agreement or disagreement to the original message. Being able to directly disagree with a single posts message is very important.

I find the bolded to be false as the system works both ways. If me and you both post opinions that are opposite of each other, anyone reading can click agree on the one that expresses their opinion. The disagree button promotes only one side speaking up more than the current system imo. Everyone who agrees will ciclejerk each other in the thread while everyone who disagrees won't say anything. Also, if you disagree with a post you can't tell why the person disagrees. Valid points which could make OP change their mind may not be expressed. On the other hand, it's more obvious why someone agrees with you.

I find the bolded/italicized to be short-sighted. Anyone who agrees with me can click agree.

I also think there should be pink unicorns, bondage gear sets, and guns in ESO. Now anyone clicking agree will also be agreeing with this, despite the fact they may not like anything more than my first two sentences.

But only with the "pink unicorns" and "bondage gear". Guns are for cowards!

Xendyn · July 2015

TequilaFire wrote: »

I disagree with people who disagree with the disagree button.

I disagree with your disagreement about people who disagree with the disagree button.

(ok, I now dislike the word disagree)

Azurulia · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.

It is worth a lot, thank you for commenting.

I'm right there with the mod team as far as moderation and keeping a healthy forum environment goes, however I am concerned about only 1 side having the ability to silently speak up. This essentially doesn't accomplish much for opinions, discussions or debates.

Because sometimes people really don't want to speak up against others, or even wait for a post of opposition, because they could very well not agree with what they have to say either, even if it does stand to counter the original statement, suggestion or opinion.

Things are not so black and white that you can simply wait and ride on another persons view to express your agreement or disagreement to the original message. Being able to directly disagree with a single posts message is very important.

I find the bolded to be false as the system works both ways. If me and you both post opinions that are opposite of each other, anyone reading can click agree on the one that expresses their opinion. The disagree button promotes only one side speaking up more than the current system imo. Everyone who agrees will ciclejerk each other in the thread while everyone who disagrees won't say anything. Also, if you disagree with a post you can't tell why the person disagrees. Valid points which could make OP change their mind may not be expressed. On the other hand, it's more obvious why someone agrees with you.

I find the bolded/italicized to be short-sighted. Anyone who agrees with me can click agree.

I also think there should be pink unicorns, bondage gear sets, and guns in ESO. Now anyone clicking agree will also be agreeing with this, despite the fact they may not like anything more than my first two sentences.

But only with the "pink unicorns" and "bondage gear". Guns are for cowards!

Pfft. I just want the pink unicorns. You gun-wielding bondage people can go take a hike! :P

Grunim · July 2015

I wish we got rid of the entire forum star system so people wouldn't be playing the "Forum Warrior Game". However, it would be interesting if there were a disagree button as well as an agree button to see how many people agree and disagree with this sentiment.

People are going to find ways to troll on forums no matter what system is set up.

Tre_775 · July 2015

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Yeah kind of defeats the purpose of votes if the vote can only go up. What if many people disagree but don't feel like commenting and starting a flame war?

Yes, just anonymously hit the "Disagree" button and let your mighty voice boom across the forums like the vengeful wind that it is!

If you feel so strongly about a post that you disagree with it and would take a moment to push a button, then take a moment to say why. Expressing a well thought and constructive opinion isn't going to start a flame war. Same goes for "Agree", etc.

J2JMC · July 2015

Azurulia wrote: »

Actually, by his post being able to be argued both ways only further proves his point. It's a very clever post.

*Edit* As for why he says he finds it short sighted, is the poster is missing the big picture, which is his unicorn and bondage gear statement goes on to explain why.

Again, it's a very clever post.

If his point is to say that neither a disagree button or agree button can truly reflect the thoughts of the clicker then sure it makes sense. I understood what he did. It just doesn't seem to match his intentions. Once again, it's more of an argument for a removal of both buttons instead of adding a disagree button. It's actually a very good argument as to why people should post their personal opinions instead of piggybacking someone else. Still, in terms of adding a disagree button, it doesn't say much if anything at all.

Edit: Just wanted to add that his post being able to be argued both ways would help his argument if there was only one general opinion. Since there's multiple differing ones, the disagree button helps no more in the situation than the agree button would. Both buttons are actually useless to anyone who doesn't agree/disagreee with the entirety of his post.

Azurulia · July 2015

Grunim wrote: »

I wish we got rid of the entire forum star system so people wouldn't be playing the "Forum Warrior Game". However, it would be interesting if there were a disagree button as well as an agree button to see how many people agree and disagree with this sentiment.

People are going to find ways to troll on forums no matter what system is set up.

I don't even know what the stars are or are for? I assumed it had soemthign to do with psot count, but seeing as I went from no stars to two stars, I'm not so sure I even know what it means anymore.

But yeah, that's exactly why I say having both agree and disagree buttons are important, and not just a simple thumbs up or down. This lets you see numbers as well as opinions.

Dominoid · July 2015

For what it's worth, Reddit has upvote and downvote buttons and the "atmosphere" on the game's official subreddit is like night and day compared to here. I'm not saying which is better or which is a more accurate representation of reality, but night and day. Come join us:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline

Azurulia · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

Actually, by his post being able to be argued both ways only further proves his point. It's a very clever post.

*Edit* As for why he says he finds it short sighted, is the poster is missing the big picture, which is his unicorn and bondage gear statement goes on to explain why.

Again, it's a very clever post.

If his point is to say that neither a disagree button or agree button can truly reflect the thoughts of the clicker then sure it makes sense. I understood what he did. It just doesn't seem to match his intentions. Once again, it's more of an argument for a removal of both buttons instead of adding a disagree button. It's actually a very good argument as to why people should post their personal opinions instead of piggybacking someone else. Still, in terms of adding a disagree button, it doesn't say much if anything at all.

Edit: Just wanted to add that his post being able to be argued both ways would help his argument if there was only one general opinion. Since there's multiple differing ones, the disagree button helps no more in the situation than the agree button would. Both buttons are actually useless to anyone who doesn't agree/disagreee with the entirety of his post.

I think you are misunderstanding something here, so let me explain in detail.

People in the thread have said "Just agree with the people who post about disagreeing with." His post goes on to show it isn't that simple, and it doesn't work that way. He mention of feeling that he believes with the poster being short sighted and not seeing the big picture of it not being that simple, or that black and white.

I Agree with this.

Now the very same post that mentions unicorns, bondage gear and guns, I disagree with this. (The gun part anyway.)

Simply clicking agree on his post doesn't work, because I disagree with the second part. However at the same time, clicking disagree doesn't work because I agree with the first part. While you may see this as only showing that agree and disagree being both pointless, you are missing hidden option number 3.

Abstain.

Or the choice of simply choosing not to click agree or disagree. That is how a post like that would be handled if we had both like or dislike. That or quote the part you agree with, which then could be agreed or disagreed by others from there.

Either way, it still supports the dislike button. Like I said, it's a clever post.

Samadhi · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

I find the bolded/italicized to be short-sighted. Anyone who agrees with me can click agree.

I also think there should be pink unicorns, bondage gear sets, and guns in ESO. Now anyone clicking agree will also be agreeing with this, despite the fact they may not like anything more than my first two sentences.

@Samadhi

Why? Azurulia said that the current system only allows one side to have their voice heard. That's not true. So why exactly is what you bolded/italicized short sighted? As for your unicorn example, the same could be said for a disagree button. Someone might disagree with your first point but love bondage gear. So I don't see what point you're trying to make.

At best, you make an argument for not having an agree or disagree button. Honestly I'm not 100 percent against it, but those who aren't comfortable with writing shouldn't have to write in order for their voices to be heard. Especially if someone has already said it well enough.

Your argument was that it is sufficient to be able to click "agree" on a post that contradicts something you disagree with, rather than having the option to disagree directly.
Aside from this cultivating battles of the ego between posters rather than meaningful discussion, it is at best inefficient for the reason my post outlines.

Would prefer bolded/italicized; the forum I moderate does not have such a system and does not face the issues ZOS' forums have been.
That is not being provided as an option by ZOS. Reinstatement of the disagree button is.
When the debate is being framed in that context, having both provides a more accurate measurement of community sentiment than having only one.

A post worth discussing should be discussed based on its own merits rather than simply because the author managed to say something objectionable or in an inflammatory manner.
Giving such posts the added weighting of an "agree rating" with no corresponding negative rating breeds animosity.
Having a "disagree" option alleviates such sentiments of animosity. The human species has a fascinating ability to experience catharsis simply by performing an action as mundane as clicking a button. I should know; the same patterning is why I constantly wash my hands, my issue is just an exacerbated form of it.

If a person makes a post that a click of a disagree is higher in utility than taking the time to reply to the thread, that option should be available due to the design of the current system.
If the agree/insightful/awesome system were not present, it would feel less pertinent.

Anecdotally, the forums felt more enjoyable back when I was racking up LOLs for posts people disliked.
Since the LOL button was removed, arguments that arise on the forums feel comparatively petty.
That's just personal view though. I miss my LOL badges.

Samadhi · July 2015

Azurulia wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

I wish we got rid of the entire forum star system so people wouldn't be playing the "Forum Warrior Game". However, it would be interesting if there were a disagree button as well as an agree button to see how many people agree and disagree with this sentiment.

People are going to find ways to troll on forums no matter what system is set up.

I don't even know what the stars are or are for? I assumed it had soemthign to do with psot count, but seeing as I went from no stars to two stars, I'm not so sure I even know what it means anymore.
...

Post count, agrees/awesomes/insightfuls, how many answers you have provided to question threads, account age.
If you click onto a five-star member's profile, you can see examples of the badges that generate the stars.

Some older posters from the original Beta forums still have badges from systems that are no longer on the forums.
Seem to recall seeing things like a "Like" badge which was separate from "agree."

ShedsHisTail · July 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

For what it's worth, we are exploring the possibility of bringing the Disagree button back.

Good. It will help to put an end to the flame wars and thread locks that have taken place since it's removal.

No it won't,
Anyone incensed enough to start a flame war is going to have to open their mouth and say something regardless of the presence of a disagree button. Their inner troll won't allow them to stay quiet.

MissBizz · July 2015

I agree with bringing back the disagree button. (And a funny button, please?)

I think that if someone feels strongly about disagreeing, they will still reply.

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Banky71 · July 2015

MissBizz wrote: »

I agree with bringing back the disagree button. (And a funny button, please?)

I think that if someone feels strongly about disagreeing, they will still reply.

Agree to disagree

RedTalon · July 2015

Dominoid wrote: »

For what it's worth, Reddit has upvote and downvote buttons and the "atmosphere" on the game's official subreddit is like night and day compared to here. I'm not saying which is better or which is a more accurate representation of reality, but night and day. Come join us:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline

and also happens to be where most game devs and teams spend there time on reddit now a-days and not there own forums so always a good place

RedTalon · July 2015

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Disagree medals, anyone?

You didn't get medals for that, you got -2 points knocked off your total points each time someone disagreed

Azurulia · July 2015

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Disagree medals, anyone?

"250 Disagree badge"

"You're not afraid to ask the tough questions or back the unpopular opinions. Thanks for keeping things interesting!"

Earning disagrees doesn't have to be a negative thing.

ShedsHisTail · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

but you can't "disagree" with someone without giving an explanation? Why? I disagree with a lot of people, but, if I actually state why I disagree, I might get banned, cause someone's feelings got hurt?

If you're worried about being banned because you disagree with something, then you're disagreeing wrong.

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Azurulia · July 2015

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Disagree medals, anyone?

You didn't get medals for that, you got -2 points knocked off your total points each time someone disagreed

Yes, I know.

Way to shoot to down my idea, though. Couldn't you just have used the disagree button?!

Maybe he did... AND he still posted! *gasp*

RedTalon · July 2015

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Disagree medals, anyone?

You didn't get medals for that, you got -2 points knocked off your total points each time someone disagreed

Yes, I know.

Way to shoot to down my idea, though. Couldn't you just have used the disagree button?!

No I would rather use the lol button

Defilted · July 2015

A disagreement does not have to be negative. I believe most people are just emotionally invested and will let this leak into their response to something by accident or on purpose. I have found many ways to disagree with someone that does not require any negativity.

Disagreements should require a response to make sure that all views are being considered within the community. All of us would have like hundreds or thousands of these because rarely does someone completely agree with someone else.

PBpsy · July 2015

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Azurulia wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Disagree medals, anyone?

"250 Disagree badge"

"You're not afraid to ask the tough questions or back the unpopular opinions. Thanks for keeping things interesting!"

Earning disagrees doesn't have to be a negative thing.

I would like something more realistic , less presumptuous and less cheesy ego stroking like:

"250 Disagree badge."

"Most people think you are an a**hat and your ideas stink. You however don't give any flying guar fart about that. keep on rolling "