Imperial city 1st PvP update since launch and cost $25

sbanned_530978 · July 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

krayiss wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

krayiss wrote: »

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Etharian wrote: »

you clearly have no clue what you are talking about, you should do a little research before making assumptions.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's 20 bucks. Seriously, you pay that to see some garbage Hollywood time-sink in a theater. If you didn't buy all the pny and kty re-skins you prob have enough crowns sitting around still from un-subbing to just buy it (I do). I suppose the loyalty crowns were a gift or an apology, but either way they can be used to offset the cost of the content. This content was announced when the game was mandatory subscription based and their content objectives were more ambitious. They said all content past 1.6 would be store based, this is past 1.6, therefore it is store based. If you go back to your previous subscription commitment the content is inclusive, just as it was "PROMISED" originally, inclusive in a subscription.

If you are very upset about this just don't buy the content. You will still hit v16 grinding out old pvp and pve content and you can get v16 gear from scaled dungeons, cyrodiil or just buying the new stuff from other players. It isn't a very big content patch with just 2 dungeons, 1 pub dungeon some new armor skins and few motiffs. It is no Burning Crusades.

20 SETS OF SUPER POWERFUL GEAR, THIS IS P2W. YOU ARE FORCED TO PAY TO PLAY THE GAME.

You haven't seen the gear stats so you don't know that, you are just spouting your worst fears. Even then they have already said anything you can buy from the PVP section of the update can be sold on a guild vendor so you can farm nirncrux till you can buy the gear with gold, or have a friend who can keep 20 bucks in their pocket get it for your whole guild and they can farm the gear for you and sell it to you on the cheap.

Where did you read that?

Do I look like google? Read yesterday's "official" discussion thread. It cleared up a lot of questions.

I will look, the launch details stated "only available in Imperial City" for the gear sets, so I didnt think everyone could get them.

Makkir · July 2015

krayiss wrote: »

1st 12 months sub $180 vs $205

I had a sub last year I wouldnt have had to pay an extra $25 for something promised (also would have gotten content months sooner, alot changes in the 2 scenarios)

Lol and No words.....

So you don't pay sub to ZOS but you want the DLC free? Statement goes above and beyond this game and exemplifies what's wrong with this country.

You've been around a long time....There is NO way you could have possibly not known you would have to pay for Imp City. It has been stated multiple times unless you are an ESO + member, then you would pay for it. Having been playing MMOs for the past 15 years, ZOS wouldn't even need to announce that for me to expect it.

/smh

Septimus_Magna · July 2015

So if its free if you have an active sub will that mean that when your sub runs out you wont have access to Imperial City?
Or can we download it with an active sub and always have access to Imperial City afterwards?

Im really confused about this system, Im fine with paying but I dont want to pay double or get locked out if I dont have an active sub.

sbanned_530978 · July 2015

Makkir wrote: »

krayiss wrote: »

1st 12 months sub $180 vs $205

I had a sub last year I wouldnt have had to pay an extra $25 for something promised (also would have gotten content months sooner, alot changes in the 2 scenarios)

Lol and No words.....

So you don't pay sub to ZOS but you want the DLC free? Statement goes above and beyond this game and exemplifies what's wrong with this country.

You've been around a long time....There is NO way you could have possibly not known you would have to pay for Imp City. It has been stated multiple times unless you are an ESO + member, then you would pay for it. Having been playing MMOs for the past 15 years, ZOS wouldn't even need to announce that for me to expect it.

/smh

I was responding to a comment "If imperial city was released last year, could you play it without a subscription?"

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's 20 bucks. Seriously, you pay that to see some garbage Hollywood time-sink in a theater. If you didn't buy all the pny and kty re-skins you prob have enough crowns sitting around still from un-subbing to just buy it (I do). I suppose the loyalty crowns were a gift or an apology, but either way they can be used to offset the cost of the content. This content was announced when the game was mandatory subscription based and their content objectives were more ambitious. They said all content past 1.6 would be store based, this is past 1.6, therefore it is store based. If you go back to your previous subscription commitment the content is inclusive, just as it was "PROMISED" originally, inclusive in a subscription.

If you are very upset about this just don't buy the content. You will still hit v16 grinding out old pvp and pve content and you can get v16 gear from scaled dungeons, cyrodiil or just buying the new stuff from other players. It isn't a very big content patch with just 2 dungeons, 1 pub dungeon some new armor skins and few motiffs. It is no Burning Crusades.

At $18.18 worth of crowns, for a package of this size it's actually more than fair towards us as players honestly. You also can get all of the items within by buying them from other players, still, since they're all being left as bind on equip unlike the numerous PVE sets that do not come from PVP at all, and cannot be bought with gold. Unlike regular expansion packs for some games, there is no massive power gap coming from it that can't just be earned through normal gameplay anyway as a result, and there's no jumbo-sized three-times-the-power increase like going from say, level 70 to level 80 in a game like World of Wombats gives, either

that you can't even get to in any way, shape, or form without buying the package.

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's 20 bucks. Seriously, you pay that to see some garbage Hollywood time-sink in a theater. If you didn't buy all the pny and kty re-skins you prob have enough crowns sitting around still from un-subbing to just buy it (I do). I suppose the loyalty crowns were a gift or an apology, but either way they can be used to offset the cost of the content. This content was announced when the game was mandatory subscription based and their content objectives were more ambitious. They said all content past 1.6 would be store based, this is past 1.6, therefore it is store based. If you go back to your previous subscription commitment the content is inclusive, just as it was "PROMISED" originally, inclusive in a subscription.

If you are very upset about this just don't buy the content. You will still hit v16 grinding out old pvp and pve content and you can get v16 gear from scaled dungeons, cyrodiil or just buying the new stuff from other players. It isn't a very big content patch with just 2 dungeons, 1 pub dungeon some new armor skins and few motiffs. It is no Burning Crusades.

At $18.18 worth of crowns, for a package of this size it's actually more than fair towards us as players honestly. You also can get all of the items within by buying them from other players, still, since they're all being left as bind on equip unlike the numerous PVE sets that do not come from PVP at all, and cannot be bought with gold. Unlike regular expansion packs for some games, there is no massive power gap coming from it that can't just be earned through normal gameplay anyway as a result, and there's no jumbo-sized three-times-the-power increase like going from say, level 70 to level 80 in a game like World of Wombats gives, either that you can't even get to in any way, shape, or form without buying the package.

I'm fine with it and because I have the loose crowns and this is real content and not another mount skin. If I didn't have the crowns I would buy them to get the content too, as the price seems fair (I had expected their marketing cats to try and gouge since this is their first real content past VDSA and was pleasantly surprised). Had console not sold so well we might have seen a higher price point.

PVE gear in this will be BOP but if it is in line with PVE gear in the current game they will not be BOS items for PVP; so PVPers that don't want to buy it shouldn't be too put off by rational righteous rage.

The PVP part of it sounds fun and worth the money. When I compared it to TBC, I meant it was not as ambitious in scope, but also not as expensive. I think they hit a good target here from a marketing perspective.

cozmon3c_ESO · July 2015

Hmm im with OP on this one.

Lets do some simple math.

Play game for pvp and promise of updates
-1 imperial edition /w statue.
- about 100 dollars (cant remember and cant find it on google what the cost was, i know it was close to 100 after tax)
-1 year sub cause i was paying 3 months at a time. (i payed another 3 months cause i believed in the game after BTP, but will leave that out)
-15x12 = 180
100+180= 280 dollars spent on this game in 1 year being strung along with carrot promises.
got like 3400crowns =34 dollars for 1 year of playing
280-34 = 246 dollars

Its not the money obviously, but the principle of being strung along and f'ed in the ass by ZoS. Just to be made to pay something i well payed for already. Where is the lube ZoS, where is the damn LUBE!!!

Oh and where the hell is the PVP portion of the justice system, is that even happening anymore? i doubt these guys were failing with subs and how many people were playing before BTP i mean if everyone who was loyal at the time was paying what i payed they were making hand over fist with our money.

Some leaked guesstament site said that 700,000 people bought the game

700,000x60=42,000,000

and lets say that 1/4 kept playing and subbing for a year.
so 175,000 players subed for a year
175,000x$180=31,500,000

so
42,000,000+31,500,000= 73,500,000 made off the PC players over 1 year. now they must have some greedy greedy money hungry pockets to say f you to those who payed hundreds of dollars over 1 year to them. WTF Zos I NEEDS THE LUBE, RAW IS JUST TO PAINFUL!! LEAVE MY ASS ALONE ZOS WTF, WHERE IS THE DAMN LUBE!!!

Bromburak · July 2015

Another "Mimimi, i cannot afford games and never appreciate developers work" thread.

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2015

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Hmm im with OP on this one.

Lets do some simple math.

Play game for pvp and promise of updates
-1 imperial edition /w statue.
- about 100 dollars (cant remember and cant find it on google what the cost was, i know it was close to 100 after tax)
-1 year sub cause i was paying 3 months at a time. (i payed another 3 months cause i believed in the game after BTP, but will leave that out)
-15x12 = 180
100+180= 280 dollars spent on this game in 1 year being strung along with carrot promises.
got like 3400crowns =34 dollars for 1 year of playing
280-34 = 246 dollars

Its not the money obviously, but the principle of being strung along and f'ed in the ass by ZoS. Just to be made to pay something i well payed for already. Where is the lube ZoS, where is the damn LUBE!!!

Oh and where the hell is the PVP portion of the justice system, is that even happening anymore? i doubt these guys were failing with subs and how many people were playing before BTP i mean if everyone who was loyal at the time was paying what i payed they were making hand over fist with our money.

Some leaked guesstament site said that 700,000 people bought the game

700,000x60=42,000,000

and lets say that 1/4 kept playing and subbing for a year.
so 175,000 players subed for a year
175,000x$180=31,500,000

so
42,000,000+31,500,000= 73,500,000 made off the PC players over 1 year. now they must have some greedy greedy money hungry pockets to say f you to those who payed hundreds of dollars over 1 year to them. WTF Zos I NEEDS THE LUBE, RAW IS JUST TO PAINFUL!! LEAVE MY ASS ALONE ZOS WTF, WHERE IS THE DAMN LUBE!!!

That's all fine but there isn't any quantifiable maths here to (Diminishing marginal utility * expectations)/dollars.

Say you worked at McDonalds. Say your manager expected a lot more out of you than what they got. They thought they were going to have a hard worker. Someone who came in on time, smiled for the customers, got orders right, didn't complain when asked to clean the bathroom, didn't sneak off to get stoned near the fry oil waste bin during breaks and so on. Say then the manager decided that they thought they weren't getting the dollars of labor out of you that they felt entitled too, and since they pay the minimum wage and can't lower your pay, so he decides not to pay you for a few months of work. How would you feel about this as the employee? That is how ZoS would feel. They might know they aren't the best worker at the best job, but they still want to get paid so they can smoke out behind the shop.

Ezareth · July 2015

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Hmm im with OP on this one.

Lets do some simple math.

Play game for pvp and promise of updates
-1 imperial edition /w statue.
- about 100 dollars (cant remember and cant find it on google what the cost was, i know it was close to 100 after tax)
-1 year sub cause i was paying 3 months at a time. (i payed another 3 months cause i believed in the game after BTP, but will leave that out)
-15x12 = 180
100+180= 280 dollars spent on this game in 1 year being strung along with carrot promises.
got like 3400crowns =34 dollars for 1 year of playing
280-34 = 246 dollars

Its not the money obviously, but the principle of being strung along and f'ed in the ass by ZoS. Just to be made to pay something i well payed for already. Where is the lube ZoS, where is the damn LUBE!!!

Oh and where the hell is the PVP portion of the justice system, is that even happening anymore? i doubt these guys were failing with subs and how many people were playing before BTP i mean if everyone who was loyal at the time was paying what i payed they were making hand over fist with our money.

Some leaked guesstament site said that 700,000 people bought the game

700,000x60=42,000,000

and lets say that 1/4 kept playing and subbing for a year.
so 175,000 players subed for a year
175,000x$180=31,500,000

so
42,000,000+31,500,000= 73,500,000 made off the PC players over 1 year. now they must have some greedy greedy money hungry pockets to say f you to those who payed hundreds of dollars over 1 year to them. WTF Zos I NEEDS THE LUBE, RAW IS JUST TO PAINFUL!! LEAVE MY ASS ALONE ZOS WTF, WHERE IS THE DAMN LUBE!!!

ZoS is in my pocket for over $300 on this game so far. I'm also sitting on almost 13,000 crowns but that's beside the point.

I have logged over 100 DAYS into ESO. That's 12.5 cents an hour. Not something I'd really consider expensive entertainment or anything to get raw about.

Ohh and you must have missed the Amazon Prime day Lightning Deal on this yesterday:
http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO
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Mako1132 · July 2015

Its funny reading the people saying well don't pay for it, you don't get content for free... (or that they are delusional enough to convince themselves its ok practice to reward a company with money for bad practices.... capitalism at its finest).

To the people saying its worth it or not a lot of money so its fine... that is not the point. You'll notice a lot of the names of the people not ok with this are people who played all the way through ESO, many of us beta testers from the beginning. Promise after promise was that PvP would NOT be ignored, from the beginning even before launch it was stressed PvP in this game was on equal level in terms of end game content. As Krayiss linked, we were liteally promised multiple PvP updates coming quickly after launch. There has been no PvP update..... funnily enough content has been REMOVED from PvP, very little if anything has been added (if you consider cold harbor siege or Ap buffs from doing PvP content I will lose all my faith in humanity as those are both PvE additions).

When the game first came out we were promised Imperial city shortly... then it was pushed and said well September.... now we are here more than a year later when we were first promised it. So no, regardless of the price you do not reward this kind of behavior, it is unacceptable from a customer service perspective. The ship has sailed. I hope Imperial City is fun, I really really do... but given the overwhelming lack of support to PvP across the board, lack of content, removal of PvP content (some of it for good reasons, but with no replacement)... I have lost all faith and refuse to participate.

ZOS promised something and didn't deliver... in fact they just made more promises.... and they waived a carrot in front of players who bought into their promises... and they kept pulling that carrot on a string just out of reach for over a year now. At some point you just have to say no.

Seriously guys, think back.... what has been a good addition to PvP? Everything they removed were attempts to fix problems with bandaid fixes (forward camps, merc guards, the poor deer).... and did those fixes do anything? Nope.... honestly the only big fix PvP got was due to a completely game breaking FPS bug. A game that highlights its PvP and promises continuous PvP content does not release PvP content for more than a year past when it promised such continuous delivery..... I'm kind of shocked at the fanboyism in this thread...

cozmon3c_ESO · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Hmm im with OP on this one.

Lets do some simple math.

Play game for pvp and promise of updates
-1 imperial edition /w statue.
- about 100 dollars (cant remember and cant find it on google what the cost was, i know it was close to 100 after tax)
-1 year sub cause i was paying 3 months at a time. (i payed another 3 months cause i believed in the game after BTP, but will leave that out)
-15x12 = 180
100+180= 280 dollars spent on this game in 1 year being strung along with carrot promises.
got like 3400crowns =34 dollars for 1 year of playing
280-34 = 246 dollars

Its not the money obviously, but the principle of being strung along and f'ed in the ass by ZoS. Just to be made to pay something i well payed for already. Where is the lube ZoS, where is the damn LUBE!!!

Oh and where the hell is the PVP portion of the justice system, is that even happening anymore? i doubt these guys were failing with subs and how many people were playing before BTP i mean if everyone who was loyal at the time was paying what i payed they were making hand over fist with our money.

Some leaked guesstament site said that 700,000 people bought the game

700,000x60=42,000,000

and lets say that 1/4 kept playing and subbing for a year.
so 175,000 players subed for a year
175,000x$180=31,500,000

so
42,000,000+31,500,000= 73,500,000 made off the PC players over 1 year. now they must have some greedy greedy money hungry pockets to say f you to those who payed hundreds of dollars over 1 year to them. WTF Zos I NEEDS THE LUBE, RAW IS JUST TO PAINFUL!! LEAVE MY ASS ALONE ZOS WTF, WHERE IS THE DAMN LUBE!!!

ZoS is in my pocket for over $300 on this game so far. I'm also sitting on almost 13,000 crowns but that's beside the point.

I have logged over 100 DAYS into ESO. That's 12.5 cents an hour. Not something I'd really consider expensive entertainment or anything to get raw about.

Ohh and you must have missed the Amazon Prime day Lightning Deal on this yesterday:
http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO

hey zos should be able to aford this for me after all the money spent.

Bromburak · July 2015

Mako1132 wrote: »

ZOS promised something and didn't deliver...

Bla bla bla.

Dude, they also said there will be a monthly sub model at release.
You should have noticed that players don't have to pay any monthly fee any longer.

Seriously, greedy customers and discount whiners are killing every job and quality in this industry.

Pay or make your own games, end of story.

Mako1132 · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

ZOS promised something and didn't deliver...

Bla bla bla.

Dude, they also said there will be a monthly sub model at release.
You should have noticed that players don't have to pay any monthly fee any longer.

Seriously, greedy customers and discount whiners are killing every job and quality in this industry.

Pay or make your own games, or pay for a better game, end of story.

fixed.

Valnas · July 2015

Can someone sell me on skyforge ? The combat animations seem overdone (so large they render over character models and consume your field of view), and alpha gameplay I watched seemed cumbersome but a lot of people seem to be trying it.

Bromburak · July 2015

So you saying the game is not getting better with IC? Then don't buy IC and quit playing. How about that?

The reality is, you want everything cheap, cheap, cheap and this attitude kills jobs and quality of every game.

This is so ignorant, unbelievable.

Mako1132 · July 2015

Valnas wrote: »

Can someone sell me on skyforge ? The combat animations seem overdone (so large they render over character models and consume your field of view), and alpha gameplay I watched seemed cumbersome but a lot of people seem to be trying it.

To address your question quickly (please mods don't destroy me just answering a question).

SOME of the animations are big... they tend to be ultimates which in comparison to this game are in fact ultimates.... massively impactful, but on extremely long cooldowns which makes for an overall better PvP experience in general as the PvP gameplay does not revolve around ultimates like ESO does to be effective (although accounting for them is important).

I actually feel the gameplay is less cumbersome than ESO, but you need to be comfortable with its style. Instead of dodge roll like ESO you have a dash mechanic that is your bread/butter mobility when you need it (it works differently as it doesnt evade damage). Simply put the PvP is instanced with FFA, 3v3, 10v10, and 50v50 where some are deathmatch, domation, capture the flag, etc.

I think what I enjoy most is the depth to the game... this is not a faceroll game... you don't and cannot spam 1 button. To be successful you need to adequately leverage combos and team dynamics. More important than anything though is your positioning, spatial awareness, and knowledge/anticipation of enemy ability timings/usage. The better your knowledge of other classes/abilities, the better you can account for them and plan your gameplay in PvP.... all of this is very dynamic and not easy to do on the fly. It has made for what I feel is a much higher skill ceiling/depth that I enjoy (very challenging). That plus I have yet to run into a bug that has impacted my game really in any capacity.

In short

edit: oh and boob physics.... yeah.... thats a thing in this game..... crazy russians

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2015

It sounds like some people feel cornered between their compulsion to play and a 20 dollar bill in their wallet. Make a choice and free yourself from your monkey mind one way or the other. No point getting your blood-pressure up over a video game.

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2015

Valnas wrote: »

Can someone sell me on skyforge ? The combat animations seem overdone (so large they render over character models and consume your field of view), and alpha gameplay I watched seemed cumbersome but a lot of people seem to be trying it.

I know, I have been trying to talk myself into it too, but man, sometimes I am not much a a salesmen.

Ezareth · July 2015

Mako1132 wrote: »

Its funny reading the people saying well don't pay for it, you don't get content for free... (or that they are delusional enough to convince themselves its ok practice to reward a company with money for bad practices.... capitalism at its finest).

To the people saying its worth it or not a lot of money so its fine... that is not the point. You'll notice a lot of the names of the people not ok with this are people who played all the way through ESO, many of us beta testers from the beginning. Promise after promise was that PvP would NOT be ignored, from the beginning even before launch it was stressed PvP in this game was on equal level in terms of end game content. As Krayiss linked, we were liteally promised multiple PvP updates coming quickly after launch. There has been no PvP update..... funnily enough content has been REMOVED from PvP, very little if anything has been added (if you consider cold harbor siege or Ap buffs from doing PvP content I will lose all my faith in humanity as those are both PvE additions).

When the game first came out we were promised Imperial city shortly... then it was pushed and said well September.... now we are here more than a year later when we were first promised it. So no, regardless of the price you do not reward this kind of behavior, it is unacceptable from a customer service perspective. The ship has sailed. I hope Imperial City is fun, I really really do... but given the overwhelming lack of support to PvP across the board, lack of content, removal of PvP content (some of it for good reasons, but with no replacement)... I have lost all faith and refuse to participate.

ZOS promised something and didn't deliver... in fact they just made more promises.... and they waived a carrot in front of players who bought into their promises... and they kept pulling that carrot on a string just out of reach for over a year now. At some point you just have to say no.

Seriously guys, think back.... what has been a good addition to PvP? Everything they removed were attempts to fix problems with bandaid fixes (forward camps, merc guards, the poor deer).... and did those fixes do anything? Nope.... honestly the only big fix PvP got was due to a completely game breaking FPS bug. A game that highlights its PvP and promises continuous PvP content does not release PvP content for more than a year past when it promised such continuous delivery..... I'm kind of shocked at the fanboyism in this thread...

We all started playing this game with the understanding that it would be a subscription based game so in theory we would be paying $12-$15 a month for it and when we stopped paying we wouldn't be able to log in any more and would lose *all* the content. ZoS changed this to a FTP (or BTP if you want to be technical) and we all benefit from the fact that we no longer need to subscribe to gain the exact same access that we had when we were paying $12-$15 a month.

Now that ZoS comes out with content (no matter how long ago it was promised or delayed) and they are charging for it, despite the fact that anyone who had still be subscribing up until this point would be sitting on 10K+ crowns and be able to buy it outright without another dime out of pocket you're complaining about it?

I mean I hate the way ZoS has managed this game as much as any of you, but I see nothing wrong with the cheap price (relative) that IC is being offered for.

There are better things to complain about IMO.

Mako1132 · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

Its funny reading the people saying well don't pay for it, you don't get content for free... (or that they are delusional enough to convince themselves its ok practice to reward a company with money for bad practices.... capitalism at its finest).

To the people saying its worth it or not a lot of money so its fine... that is not the point. You'll notice a lot of the names of the people not ok with this are people who played all the way through ESO, many of us beta testers from the beginning. Promise after promise was that PvP would NOT be ignored, from the beginning even before launch it was stressed PvP in this game was on equal level in terms of end game content. As Krayiss linked, we were liteally promised multiple PvP updates coming quickly after launch. There has been no PvP update..... funnily enough content has been REMOVED from PvP, very little if anything has been added (if you consider cold harbor siege or Ap buffs from doing PvP content I will lose all my faith in humanity as those are both PvE additions).

When the game first came out we were promised Imperial city shortly... then it was pushed and said well September.... now we are here more than a year later when we were first promised it. So no, regardless of the price you do not reward this kind of behavior, it is unacceptable from a customer service perspective. The ship has sailed. I hope Imperial City is fun, I really really do... but given the overwhelming lack of support to PvP across the board, lack of content, removal of PvP content (some of it for good reasons, but with no replacement)... I have lost all faith and refuse to participate.

ZOS promised something and didn't deliver... in fact they just made more promises.... and they waived a carrot in front of players who bought into their promises... and they kept pulling that carrot on a string just out of reach for over a year now. At some point you just have to say no.

Seriously guys, think back.... what has been a good addition to PvP? Everything they removed were attempts to fix problems with bandaid fixes (forward camps, merc guards, the poor deer).... and did those fixes do anything? Nope.... honestly the only big fix PvP got was due to a completely game breaking FPS bug. A game that highlights its PvP and promises continuous PvP content does not release PvP content for more than a year past when it promised such continuous delivery..... I'm kind of shocked at the fanboyism in this thread...

We all started playing this game with the understanding that it would be a subscription based game so in theory we would be paying $12-$15 a month for it and when we stopped paying we wouldn't be able to log in any more and would lose *all* the content. ZoS changed this to a FTP (or BTP if you want to be technical) and we all benefit from the fact that we no longer need to subscribe to gain the exact same access that we had when we were paying $12-$15 a month.

Now that ZoS comes out with content (no matter how long ago it was promised or delayed) and they are charging for it, despite the fact that anyone who had still be subscribing up until this point would be sitting on 10K+ crowns and be able to buy it outright without another dime out of pocket you're complaining about it?

I mean I hate the way ZoS has managed this game as much as any of you, but I see nothing wrong with the cheap price (relative) that IC is being offered for.

There are better things to complain about IMO.

This is my problem, I think its kind of a middle finger to your consumer base when you promised something (I'm not even juts talking IC here, I'm talking content in general.) and after a year are finally getting to it.... oh and pony up for it too.

PeggymoeXD · July 2015

krayiss wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

The fact you decided to spend it on a pet or a mount when they told us DLC wouldn't be free is your fault.

They also told us there would be PvP updates in the 1st few patches as stated in the FAQ by brian, I stopped believing anything after that sry.

There technically were. If removing things feature by feature is what you consider an update. I still miss my deer meat shields..

Mako1132 · July 2015

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

krayiss wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

The fact you decided to spend it on a pet or a mount when they told us DLC wouldn't be free is your fault.

They also told us there would be PvP updates in the 1st few patches as stated in the FAQ by brian, I stopped believing anything after that sry.

There technically were. If removing things feature by feature is what you consider an update. I still miss my deer meat shields..

Top lol.

qsnoopyjr · July 2015

Etharian wrote: »

you clearly have no clue what you are talking about, you should do a little research before making assumptions.

Thing OP doesn't realize is that it's really a PvE DLC.

There's no new PvP things to play with
There's no new PvP maps to play with
There's no new PvP gear to get
There's no new PvP tournaments

All it is, wait for the PvP'ers to get emperor keeps. Then PvP'ers can pop lock that campaign and play PvE.

One other point.
GW2 had NEW PvP maps 2 or 3 of them.. NEW WvW/AvA maps EotM.
Bolstered the competition on the PvP and WvW
WvW had SEASONS.. Something to strive for in the WvW/AvA scene.

ALL FREE
Yes FREE

Here's ESO, they come out with something...
Slap a $25 on it
Let people think its new PvP content

..
Oh btw
GW2,
2 LIVING STORIES in 1 year
FREE CONTENT
Yes it included new armors to grind and such too

GW2
FREE content
with exception of Expansion pack... Which is TOTALLY worth the money for it.

Now ESO,
$25...
That's almost equivalent to expansion pack.

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's 20 bucks. Seriously, you pay that to see some garbage Hollywood time-sink in a theater. If you didn't buy all the pny and kty re-skins you prob have enough crowns sitting around still from un-subbing to just buy it (I do). I suppose the loyalty crowns were a gift or an apology, but either way they can be used to offset the cost of the content. This content was announced when the game was mandatory subscription based and their content objectives were more ambitious. They said all content past 1.6 would be store based, this is past 1.6, therefore it is store based. If you go back to your previous subscription commitment the content is inclusive, just as it was "PROMISED" originally, inclusive in a subscription.

If you are very upset about this just don't buy the content. You will still hit v16 grinding out old pvp and pve content and you can get v16 gear from scaled dungeons, cyrodiil or just buying the new stuff from other players. It isn't a very big content patch with just 2 dungeons, 1 pub dungeon some new armor skins and few motiffs. It is no Burning Crusades.

At $18.18 worth of crowns, for a package of this size it's actually more than fair towards us as players honestly. You also can get all of the items within by buying them from other players, still, since they're all being left as bind on equip unlike the numerous PVE sets that do not come from PVP at all, and cannot be bought with gold. Unlike regular expansion packs for some games, there is no massive power gap coming from it that can't just be earned through normal gameplay anyway as a result, and there's no jumbo-sized three-times-the-power increase like going from say, level 70 to level 80 in a game like World of Wombats gives, either that you can't even get to in any way, shape, or form without buying the package.

I'm fine with it and because I have the loose crowns and this is real content and not another mount skin. If I didn't have the crowns I would buy them to get the content too, as the price seems fair (I had expected their marketing cats to try and gouge since this is their first real content past VDSA and was pleasantly surprised). Had console not sold so well we might have seen a higher price point.

PVE gear in this will be BOP but if it is in line with PVE gear in the current game they will not be BOS items for PVP; so PVPers that don't want to buy it shouldn't be too put off by rational righteous rage.

The PVP part of it sounds fun and worth the money. When I compared it to TBC, I meant it was not as ambitious in scope, but also not as expensive. I think they hit a good target here from a marketing perspective.

Just to ping you back, if it wasn't clear originally, I agree with you @AhPook_Is_Here

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eventide03b14a_ESO · July 2015

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danno8 · July 2015

You could have stopped playing and paying at any time.

Are you guys saying you had no control over your own money during the last year?

Or do you always pay people for what they say they are going to do at some point?

Ara_Valleria · July 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

krayiss wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

krayiss wrote: »

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Etharian wrote: »

you clearly have no clue what you are talking about, you should do a little research before making assumptions.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's 20 bucks. Seriously, you pay that to see some garbage Hollywood time-sink in a theater. If you didn't buy all the pny and kty re-skins you prob have enough crowns sitting around still from un-subbing to just buy it (I do). I suppose the loyalty crowns were a gift or an apology, but either way they can be used to offset the cost of the content. This content was announced when the game was mandatory subscription based and their content objectives were more ambitious. They said all content past 1.6 would be store based, this is past 1.6, therefore it is store based. If you go back to your previous subscription commitment the content is inclusive, just as it was "PROMISED" originally, inclusive in a subscription.

If you are very upset about this just don't buy the content. You will still hit v16 grinding out old pvp and pve content and you can get v16 gear from scaled dungeons, cyrodiil or just buying the new stuff from other players. It isn't a very big content patch with just 2 dungeons, 1 pub dungeon some new armor skins and few motiffs. It is no Burning Crusades.

20 SETS OF SUPER POWERFUL GEAR, THIS IS P2W. YOU ARE FORCED TO PAY TO PLAY THE GAME.

You haven't seen the gear stats so you don't know that, you are just spouting your worst fears. Even then they have already said anything you can buy from the PVP section of the update can be sold on a guild vendor so you can farm nirncrux till you can buy the gear with gold, or have a friend who can keep 20 bucks in their pocket get it for your whole guild and they can farm the gear for you and sell it to you on the cheap.

Where did you read that?

Do I look like google? Read yesterday's "official" discussion thread. It cleared up a lot of questions.

Do cats always land on their feet ?
Does jon snow die ?
Is pluto a planet ?

Oops, sorry thought you were google.

Xsorus · July 2015

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Etharian wrote: »

you clearly have no clue what you are talking about, you should do a little research before making assumptions.

Thing OP doesn't realize is that it's really a PvE DLC.

There's no new PvP things to play with
There's no new PvP maps to play with
There's no new PvP gear to get
There's no new PvP tournaments

All it is, wait for the PvP'ers to get emperor keeps. Then PvP'ers can pop lock that campaign and play PvE.

One other point.
GW2 had NEW PvP maps 2 or 3 of them.. NEW WvW/AvA maps EotM.
Bolstered the competition on the PvP and WvW
WvW had SEASONS.. Something to strive for in the WvW/AvA scene.

ALL FREE
Yes FREE

Here's ESO, they come out with something...
Slap a $25 on it
Let people think its new PvP content

..
Oh btw
GW2,
2 LIVING STORIES in 1 year
FREE CONTENT
Yes it included new armors to grind and such too

GW2
FREE content
with exception of Expansion pack... Which is TOTALLY worth the money for it.

Now ESO,
$25...
That's almost equivalent to expansion pack.

Lol, WvW seasons in gw2 was a huge waste of time, because of how population balance works in that game.
Living story wasn't much better either

danno8 · July 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Etharian wrote: »

you clearly have no clue what you are talking about, you should do a little research before making assumptions.

Thing OP doesn't realize is that it's really a PvE DLC.

There's no new PvP things to play with
There's no new PvP maps to play with
There's no new PvP gear to get
There's no new PvP tournaments

All it is, wait for the PvP'ers to get emperor keeps. Then PvP'ers can pop lock that campaign and play PvE.

One other point.
GW2 had NEW PvP maps 2 or 3 of them.. NEW WvW/AvA maps EotM.
Bolstered the competition on the PvP and WvW
WvW had SEASONS.. Something to strive for in the WvW/AvA scene.

ALL FREE
Yes FREE

Here's ESO, they come out with something...
Slap a $25 on it
Let people think its new PvP content

..
Oh btw
GW2,
2 LIVING STORIES in 1 year
FREE CONTENT
Yes it included new armors to grind and such too

GW2
FREE content
with exception of Expansion pack... Which is TOTALLY worth the money for it.

Now ESO,
$25...
That's almost equivalent to expansion pack.

Lol, WvW seasons in gw2 was a huge waste of time, because of how population balance works in that game.
Living story wasn't much better either

I agree.

The living story stuff is good, but it HAS to be free. It's about 20 minutes of story, then grinding. No one would pay more than $1 for it.

New PvP/WvW maps is a valid comparison however.