"Fight Molag Bal's personal guard, the elite Xivkyn, and other invaders from Coldharbour to win Tel Var Stones, the currency used to trade for mighty Veteran Rank 16 armor sets."

If you read that carefully, stones drop from PVE monsters. So first thing is to kill enemy players, then you can start farming stones, its up to you how long you want to do it, but if enemy gets back and kill you, you lose it. So basically IC is stone farming place, but enemy can come and screw up your day.

Think about the positives, when no-lifers and HC guys get them, they are the very first to get the best gear, so they dont probably care so much, so casuals and new players can get them quite easily from them. This also prevents ganking, guy go to gank and steal tons of stones, but eventually he dies, so its not smart, no griefing.

I for one am super excited that there will now be an element of risk/reward in PVP.

Maybe if you don't like that you can do one of two things.

1: Git good
2: Complain some more about how bad it is that we are actually for the first time being given a reason to win a fight besides some near useless item incentives and a tiny portion of AP.

@Enodoc It already exists mate.

I have a one button push to get outta Cyro (well, technically 2, but less than a second to implement)

MaximusDargus wrote: »

This is worst thing from all the IC announcement.

ZOS starts encouraging leeching and parasytying of other players. Because thats what its called, someone spends hour-two playing and getting stones and then he gets ganked by some PVP *** and dies because of him and/or cyriodiil lags losing it.

Anyone who finds that "exciting" and "fun" that he will be able to leech and parasyte on others work, WOW, your parents must be proud of you for having such moral compass.

By that logic, a game of poker or blackjack, hell, any game where there is risk of loss and incentive of reward, must be the devil's doing.

There will be neutral areas withing the IC, and most certainly there will be bank access, as well.

Considering most of the content that will likely reward them are going to be group based, you're unlikely to be going it alone often anyway.

RavenSkylord wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

This is worst thing from all the IC announcement.

ZOS starts encouraging leeching and parasytying of other players. Because thats what its called, someone spends hour-two playing and getting stones and then he gets ganked by some PVP *** and dies because of him and/or cyriodiil lags losing it.

Anyone who finds that "exciting" and "fun" that he will be able to leech and parasyte on others work, WOW, your parents must be proud of you for having such moral compass.

It's not even about the fair fights, if I lose something on equal footing fine, so be it. But so many, in pvp are opportunistic, initiate combat as you end a battle or in menu screen, or simply camping at some location waiting.

Parasyte seems somewhat fitting, that method is not earning anything. It would be like busting into a bathroom stall taking a pot shot at someone and claiming you won a fight

The difference being that the imperial city is a warzone, not a bathroom stall, and anybody entering a warzone is responsible for being aware that they are in fact, in a bloody warzone, and are likely to be attacked.

While I enjoy both PVP and PVE a lot and have been looking forward to this... I can definitely see the concerns of those players who don't enjoy PVP.. it's one thing for them to have to face other players it's another thing for them to lose their items if they don't regularly PVP or are up to par in CP, etc.. with the rest of us.

What could possibly go wrong?

On the flip side, I'm still looking forward to it personally!

Farorin wrote: »

RavenSkylord wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

This is worst thing from all the IC announcement.

ZOS starts encouraging leeching and parasytying of other players. Because thats what its called, someone spends hour-two playing and getting stones and then he gets ganked by some PVP *** and dies because of him and/or cyriodiil lags losing it.

Anyone who finds that "exciting" and "fun" that he will be able to leech and parasyte on others work, WOW, your parents must be proud of you for having such moral compass.

It's not even about the fair fights, if I lose something on equal footing fine, so be it. But so many, in pvp are opportunistic, initiate combat as you end a battle or in menu screen, or simply camping at some location waiting.

Parasyte seems somewhat fitting, that method is not earning anything. It would be like busting into a bathroom stall taking a pot shot at someone and claiming you won a fight

The difference being that the imperial city is a warzone, not a bathroom stall, and anybody entering a warzone is responsible for being aware that they are in fact, in a bloody warzone, and are likely to be attacked.

As already stated, fighting on equal footing is one thing, deliberately targetting someone in a weakened state is another. If you can't tell the difference between the two, then my guess is it speaks to your method of "winning"

RavenSkylord wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

RavenSkylord wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

This is worst thing from all the IC announcement.

ZOS starts encouraging leeching and parasytying of other players. Because thats what its called, someone spends hour-two playing and getting stones and then he gets ganked by some PVP *** and dies because of him and/or cyriodiil lags losing it.

Anyone who finds that "exciting" and "fun" that he will be able to leech and parasyte on others work, WOW, your parents must be proud of you for having such moral compass.

It's not even about the fair fights, if I lose something on equal footing fine, so be it. But so many, in pvp are opportunistic, initiate combat as you end a battle or in menu screen, or simply camping at some location waiting.

Parasyte seems somewhat fitting, that method is not earning anything. It would be like busting into a bathroom stall taking a pot shot at someone and claiming you won a fight

The difference being that the imperial city is a warzone, not a bathroom stall, and anybody entering a warzone is responsible for being aware that they are in fact, in a bloody warzone, and are likely to be attacked.

As already stated, fighting on equal footing is one thing, deliberately targetting someone in a weakened state is another. If you can't tell the difference between the two, then my guess is it speaks to your method of "winning"

All is fair in PVP bro.

I wouldn;t complain if someone killed me even if I was AFK, or if I was busy fighting and enemy or another player, because that is the nature of the game.

If you win, you win, if you die, you die, it's a game, that's how it rolls. Strategy isn't always fair.

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@Enodoc It already exists mate.

I have a one button push to get outta Cyro (well, technically 2, but less than a second to implement)

Yeah true, but my point still stands. If there is a way for players to remove their corpses before they are looted, then "looting corpses" is an unfair way to implement the system, and it is more likely that they will be given automatically when you kill the other player, and not looted from their corpse.

RadicalSpirit wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

The word "lootable" I think invites bad responses. Reword it, and maybe it doesn't sound as bad:

"If you are killed in the Imperial City, you will lose Tel Var stones. Killing another player will reward Tel Var stones in addition to AP and XP."

What do these stones do?

What's the purpose behind killing people for them, if their value isn't that special I mean then who would care.

@RadicalSpirit They are a currency that you use to by VR16 gear with inside IC.

After all this reading about PvP players hanging out at delves, skyshards, lorebooks just to gank PvE players... <This is exactly why they shouldn't raise XP on player PvP kills! If you think this kind of ganking behavior is bad now, if they increased incentives to kill players, just imagine what would happen.

Enodoc wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@Enodoc It already exists mate.

I have a one button push to get outta Cyro (well, technically 2, but less than a second to implement)

Yeah true, but my point still stands. If there is a way for players to remove their corpses before they are looted, then "looting corpses" is an unfair way to implement the system, and it is more likely that they will be given automatically when you kill the other player, and not looted from their corpse.

Would it now? The usual lingo in this game is "if there is a counter to something, it is balanced". That would be the counter to losing stones (which you otherwise would not be able to prevent).

What this would achieve mainly is that the strategy to have one person in hide somewhere to ress after a wipe and not really lose progress would not be feasible. Everyone would want to go back to the safe zones ASAP in order to not lose stones. That then would actually be a good mechanic.

EDIT to add:

asteldian wrote: »

For all we know a death in IC means you lose one or 5 stones. It is unlikely to be uncapped where one death loses all 200 or whatever you have. I think people are worrying a bit prematurely.

The official lingo in the announcement indicates otherwise.

Rewards that are unmatched in power await those who are brave enough to enter the Imperial City and claim them. Fight Molag Bal's personal guard, the elite Xivkyn, and other invaders from Coldharbour to win Tel Var Stones, the currency used to trade for mighty Veteran Rank 16 armor sets. But be on your guard—enemy Alliance members lurk around every corner throughout the Imperial Districts and Sewers. Should you fall to an enemy player, they can claim your hard-earned Tel Var Stones in their own quest for glory.

timidobserver wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

The solution is simple. As soon as you earn a stone, mail it to a guildie, a friend, or to a secondary account, and you'll never lose one.

That 25k focused aim while your mailbox is open.

It won't be possible to hit any player with that much damage after Update 7, all damage is being greatly reduced in Cyrodiil.

Sausage wrote: »

"Fight Molag Bal's personal guard, the elite Xivkyn, and other invaders from Coldharbour to win Tel Var Stones, the currency used to trade for mighty Veteran Rank 16 armor sets."

If you read that carefully, stones drop from PVE monsters. So first thing is to kill enemy players, then you can start farming stones, its up to you how long you want to do it, but if enemy gets back and kill you, you lose it. So basically IC is stone farming place, but enemy can come and screw up your day.

Ah, I get the concept now. It's another treadmill, a way to keep people playing/grinding with only the illusion of content or progress. I'm starting to detect a theme...

Enodoc wrote: »

The word "lootable" I think invites bad responses. Reword it, and maybe it doesn't sound as bad:

"If you are killed in the Imperial City, you will lose Tel Var stones. Killing another player will reward Tel Var stones in addition to AP and XP."

Difference being that this 'cleaner' wording implies set values. That is, be killed in the Imperial City and you will lose X stone (or Y% stones). Killing another player will award you X stones/Y% stones.

Describing them as 'lootable' means if you're carrying 185 stones because you were going to buy a pimp hat with feathers in it, and are killed - you now have no stones. Your cold-blooded murderer is now 185 stones richer.