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  • Thejtprb18_ESO
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    Psychobunni wrote: »

    My husband and I had logged out at the start of a delve in Cyro and had just logged in the other morning, I mean literally and were figuring out what we were off to do when an enemy stepped in and we killed him :/ I actually hate that there is no way to be not be pvp in the pve aspects of Cyro. You can't communicate "don't taze me bro, just gettin shards" or something.

    But it is a small price to pay to keep it condensed to one map (imo)

    There kinda is: if you go to any spot in Cyro and /dance then theres a 50% chance other players will /dance also, whether they are friend or foe :)

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  • Elitetownie
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    Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
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    timidobserver wrote: »

    IMO, PVEers should travel in groups of 10 or more and have a tank with guard on while questing. Make it require more than a solo ganker oneshot combo to take their stones.

    Why bother trying to get an army together to protect you from gankers so you can PvE? Hardly seems worth the hassle.

    Why bother sitting in a corner stealthed waiting for a lone PvE straggler so you can gank him and take a stone? Hardly seems worth the hassle.

    Because its fun? Games are designed for mindless pvers and its nice to spoil the party for them every once in a while and force them to actually think on their feet. A pvp player dies and shrugs it off and moves on but a PVEr cries, posts for nerfs on the forums and campaigns for the removal of all player conflict in every aspect of an mmo.

    Allow me to direct you to the alliance war and PvP combat section of this forum that has hundreds of nerf and whine threads created by, you guessed it, PvP'ers.....

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/PvP-combat-skills
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/alliance-war

    Actually i bet the majority of threads are created by people who generally PvE and are upset because their builds dont work when PvPing. Thats the kind of thread im talking about. Like the people who cry about wrecking blow when its easily blocked or cloak when there are counters available to prevent it.
  • Thejtprb18_ESO
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    timidobserver wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Pallmor wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Wait, so we get killed in the IC, then someone can take loot from us?

    From the press release:

    "Should you fall to an enemy player, they can claim your hard-earned Tel Var Stones in their own quest for glory. "

    That is not good, not at all.
    I like it but I would make it opt in. If you opt in you can lose your stones but also get 2-3 extra stones per 1 you earn by questing. Opt out\in on weekly cool down.

    Perhaps the stones drop in the two new PvE dungeons also??

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    Thejtprb18_ESO wrote: »
    timidobserver wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Pallmor wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Wait, so we get killed in the IC, then someone can take loot from us?

    From the press release:

    "Should you fall to an enemy player, they can claim your hard-earned Tel Var Stones in their own quest for glory. "

    That is not good, not at all.
    I like it but I would make it opt in. If you opt in you can lose your stones but also get 2-3 extra stones per 1 you earn by questing. Opt out\in on weekly cool down.

    Perhaps the stones drop in the two new PvE dungeons also??

    No.
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  • Akavir_Sentinel
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    Anyway, the solution is simple. Don't travel alone, and as soon as you get a stone, get rid of it, either via mail or banking.
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    timidobserver wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Pallmor wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Wait, so we get killed in the IC, then someone can take loot from us?

    From the press release:

    "Should you fall to an enemy player, they can claim your hard-earned Tel Var Stones in their own quest for glory. "

    That is not good, not at all.




    I like it but I would make it opt in. If you opt in you can lose your stones but also get 2-3 extra stones per 1 you earn by questing. Opt out\in on weekly cool down.

    Already is. You can safely pve in pve zones to earn gold and buy the items obtained by Stones.
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  • Pallmor
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    Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
    Anyway, the solution is simple. Don't travel alone, and as soon as you get a stone, get rid of it, either via mail or banking.

    I doubt ZOS didn't think of that. It'll probably be bound or locked to prevent you from just mailing it. Otherwise what would be the point of making it lootable?
  • Akavir_Sentinel
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    Pallmor wrote: »
    Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
    Anyway, the solution is simple. Don't travel alone, and as soon as you get a stone, get rid of it, either via mail or banking.

    I doubt ZOS didn't think of that. It'll probably be bound or locked to prevent you from just mailing it. Otherwise what would be the point of making it lootable?

    We will find out soon enough.
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  • BalgusFlinn
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    Champion points is the problem. If you got to VR16 + max gear then the playing field is level and if you die and lose your stones, the you need to l2p. But if you dont have all day to grind champ points then you will die. Better roll a NB or SORC so you can get away. Can i get an AMEN!
  • Thejtprb18_ESO
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    This sounds like the most fun thing to come to MMO's since I left Ultima Online, Lineage2 and Darkfall.

    2 minor reservations I hope they have considered
    - lag from so many people in a small area
    - that the points where people exit the new dungeons will become gank points
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  • Savetti
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    Kloud wrote: »
    I'm a old school pvper from ultima online so it just brings back memories of have to survive and be good so you don't lose your stuff xD

    Awesome. That is all.. =)

  • Aerius_Sygale
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    Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
    The solution is simple. As soon as you earn a stone, mail it to a guildie, a friend, or to a secondary account, and you'll never lose one.

    You can't "Bank" Alliance Points, what if it is like a version of that which can be lost to enemy players? >.< Ugh...
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  • Akavir_Sentinel
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    Aerius_Sygale wrote: »
    Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
    The solution is simple. As soon as you earn a stone, mail it to a guildie, a friend, or to a secondary account, and you'll never lose one.

    You can't "Bank" Alliance Points, what if it is like a version of that which can be lost to enemy players? >.< Ugh...

    Could be. Knowing ZOS, it will probably be something that can be griefed or exploited.
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    I hope there won't be an easy way to bank or mail those stones. They would be a nice tool to make death in PvP meaningfull so people would care about staying alife and not run around like headless chicken with their glass canon builds.
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    Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
    timidobserver wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Pallmor wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Wait, so we get killed in the IC, then someone can take loot from us?

    From the press release:

    "Should you fall to an enemy player, they can claim your hard-earned Tel Var Stones in their own quest for glory. "

    That is not good, not at all.




    I like it but I would make it opt in. If you opt in you can lose your stones but also get 2-3 extra stones per 1 you earn by questing. Opt out\in on weekly cool down.

    Already is. You can safely pve in pve zones to earn gold and buy the items obtained by Stones.

    I like my idea better as it provides more options. Though you are certainly welcome to disagree.
    Thejtprb18_ESO wrote: »
    This sounds like the most fun thing to come to MMO's since I left Ultima Online, Lineage2 and Darkfall.

    2 minor reservations I hope they have considered
    - lag from so many people in a small area
    - that the points where people exit the new dungeons will become gank points

    You can just port directly into the new dungeons like any other dungeon already in the game.
    Edited by timidobserver on July 15, 2015 9:28PM
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  • Thejtprb18_ESO
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    "timidobserver wrote: »
    Thejtprb18_ESO wrote: »
    This sounds like the most fun thing to come to MMO's since I left Ultima Online, Lineage2 and Darkfall.

    2 minor reservations I hope they have considered
    - lag from so many people in a small area
    - that the points where people exit the new dungeons will become gank points

    You can just port directly into the new dungeons like any other dungeon already in the game.

    I meant when you exit...apologies for the confusion.

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    Thejtprb18_ESO wrote: »
    "timidobserver wrote: »
    Thejtprb18_ESO wrote: »
    This sounds like the most fun thing to come to MMO's since I left Ultima Online, Lineage2 and Darkfall.

    2 minor reservations I hope they have considered
    - lag from so many people in a small area
    - that the points where people exit the new dungeons will become gank points

    You can just port directly into the new dungeons like any other dungeon already in the game.

    I meant when you exit...apologies for the confusion.

    Just port out.
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    Pallmor wrote: »
    Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
    Tholian1 wrote: »
    timidobserver wrote: »

    IMO, PVEers should travel in groups of 10 or more and have a tank with guard on while questing. Make it require more than a solo ganker oneshot combo to take their stones.

    Why bother trying to get an army together to protect you from gankers so you can PvE? Hardly seems worth the hassle.

    Why bother sitting in a corner stealthed waiting for a lone PvE straggler so you can gank him and take a stone? Hardly seems worth the hassle.

    That depends on what the stones are actually good for. If they're just trophies, then yeah, why bother. But if they're more akin to Nirncrux, then watch your back, cause you're gonna die fast if you don't go into IC with an army.

    My understanding from the press release is they will be how you purchase the new vr16 Cyrodill sets so I expect them to be sought after. Which means I wouldn't focus on them until VR16 if you can collect some successfully at lower levels consider it a bonus.
  • Athas24
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    I think it's good to have an element of danger and such. I miss some of the really old games I played where I could loot EVERYTHING in a person's bag... Epic tier or not. :p more looting of the dead plz!
    Edited by Athas24 on July 15, 2015 11:44PM
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    The word "lootable" I think invites bad responses. Reword it, and maybe it doesn't sound as bad:

    "If you are killed in the Imperial City, you will lose Tel Var stones. Killing another player will reward Tel Var stones in addition to AP and XP."

    In other words dont be honest, manipulate the words so that people cant see it for what it is. This is great advice to give a company with already terrible communication skills.
    Edited by Korah_Eaglecry on July 15, 2015 10:22PM
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  • SLy_Kyti
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Pallmor wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    Wait, so we get killed in the IC, then someone can take loot from us?

    From the press release:

    "Should you fall to an enemy player, they can claim your hard-earned Tel Var Stones in their own quest for glory. "

    That is not good, not at all.

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  • Leandor
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    I'm just thinking loud. Addon that respawns you at home base / safe zone with one button press?

    If you respawn quick enough, your corps is gone... No one can loot it...
    Edited by Leandor on July 15, 2015 11:02PM
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    Sounds like Ashran
  • Xendyn
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    Leandor wrote: »
    I'm just thinking loud. Addon that respawns you at home base / safe zone with one button press?

    If you respawn quick enough, your corps is gone... No one can loot it...

    That would be a hack, not an addon.
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  • Leandor
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Leandor wrote: »
    I'm just thinking loud. Addon that respawns you at home base / safe zone with one button press?

    If you respawn quick enough, your corps is gone... No one can loot it...

    That would be a hack, not an addon.
    Not necessarily. You do not automate (button press still required) and would safe only the click on the map. Since you can do map pings by addon, this should work as well.

    Compare to addons like multi craft or wardrobe type things. Same level of interaction. It is a way to circumvent an idiotic idea.
    Edited by Leandor on July 15, 2015 11:10PM
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    Leandor wrote: »
    I'm just thinking loud. Addon that respawns you at home base / safe zone with one button press?

    If you respawn quick enough, your corps is gone... No one can loot it...
    Hmmm, interesting point. I can't see that being a fair way to implement it, so maybe my above "rewording" is more accurate than we thought, and you don't actually "loot" them, and are just "given" them.
    Enodoc wrote: »
    "If you are killed in the Imperial City, you will lose Tel Var stones. Killing another player will reward Tel Var stones in addition to AP and XP."
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  • Paulington
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    Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
    The solution is simple. As soon as you earn a stone, mail it to a guildie, a friend, or to a secondary account, and you'll never lose one.

    @Akavir_Sentinel, from @ZOS_GinaBruno on Reddit:
    Tel Var Stones cannot be mailed.
    Edited by Paulington on July 16, 2015 9:29AM
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    Leandor wrote: »
    I'm just thinking loud. Addon that respawns you at home base / safe zone with one button press?

    If you respawn quick enough, your corps is gone... No one can loot it...
    We don't know if we're actually looting corpses. The stones might be transferred automatically.
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  • kevlarto_ESO
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    My 18+ years of mmo play tells me, this is a bad idea Bone Armor for the win in UO, and will only make for griefing, in the end after all the griefers have ruined the fun of most players, they will only be griefing each other, and a griefer cries the loudest when they get griefed. Just like the instajib twitch streams when they get instajibbed man do they cry.

    Since this is suppose to be both a pve and a pvp area, all the effort that went to making this crafting area will see very little use, most pve crafters will not go back after they get ganked and their stones get looted, this is just not healthy for the over all game. I am not worried for myself I am just thinking of the game over all. Maybe it won't be as bad as it seems I guess we will have to wait and see.
  • Yerena
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    Looks like we will be forced to explore IC only with raids :(
    Otherwise all our stones from completing stuff will be withdrawn by more cunning and numerous "neigbours".

    Mb its just me, but I miss some solo-content. Craglorn was also for groups mostly and its not an easy task to find a group ready to wait for you while you are really listening the dialogs or simply researching the dungeon (yes, I like to explore the content). And with raids...Lol, but I still have no idea what actually is going on in SO :) had no chance to read the quest, always rushing through it with raid. Would be a sort of personal pity if gank-fest and raid-trains will rule the IC
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