Leandor wrote: »

Oh for fudge's sake. By that definition, every mmo is p2w. You have to pay sub to play, PAY TO WIIIIIIIN.

Really. Let it rest, already. LOL button please.

Bit I always fail to fathom, what exactly do we win?

MissBizz wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

DLC... that's exactly what DLC is.. content that you pay for..

Incorrect. DLC is just any content available online after the initial retail release of a game.

We don't pay for the patches or free updates, but we're paying for convenience items and game packs - the latter of which better referred to as locked content. They've already been downloaded, we just have to pay additional crowns to use them.

Alright, true enough, DLC is Downloadable Content... although any time ZOS has referred to it, it has been in reference to paid additional content. I don't recall seeing them calling the free game updates DLC's, I have always seen ZOS reference to that as "updates" or "patches".

Yes DLC is known in the gaming world has content you buy. Update/patch is understood to be something you are given. since this is the first DLC ofcourse they never used it before

I really wouldn't call this winning, unless someone who just owns the base game is winning vs someone who doesn't play eso at all. Same thing really.

hoyle777b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes you have to pay for new content. Good thats the way it works. Quit being butthurt freeloaders and support the game you claim to love.

With business model they adopted, you can only support the game by taking part in corruption, giving them money to recieve rewards and advantages over players who do not pay or as much, and, most importantly, to recieve increasingly less of the game and more of said corruption and coercion to further spending.

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Having every set in the game doesn't make you a better player, and most of the sets will be trade-able to players that don't have the Imperial City DLC. By the way, you can't "win" an MMO....

Of course you do not have to have every set in the game. You need just the OP set(s) and if these happen to be in paid zones (and something tells me they will make sure not to launch the IC with 23 new all inferior sets), you literally P2W.

Sausage wrote: »

P2W was already confirmed with 50% boosters. Its not rocket science, if you spend alot of money on boosters and play with them exclusively, you will win.

Levelling up faster doesn't mean winning, not for me at least.

They do have to make money somehow. I would rather they make money releasing content than divisive stuff like xp scrolls on the crown store.

Content driven income is the best system if you want more actual content.

firstdecan wrote: »

Inquiring minds want to know.

it has been ever since the crown store came out

firstdecan wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

There was always going to be pay gates for content, that's how DLC works. There are no pay gates on rewards though, since they are BoE and you can send them to anyone, regardless of whether they have the DLC or not. Because of that, I say no, not P2W.

The part where the best gear in the game is now behind a paygate. You either pay the price to have a chance at access to the gear, or you wonder where people are getting the hundreds of thousands of gold to trade for good gear.

Honestly, I don't care. I still have 4000 crowns from the conversion, and almost 2 million gold in game. The pay gated items will become a noticeable differentiator in Cyrodiil, frustrate people and cause them to leave, and may not leave enough players to fight in the one campaign that has real PvP.

Besides, this will be something the no lifers exploit to farm these new stones and sell item sets for ridiculous prices. They will become mandatory for DSA \Trials, and only further the elitism in the game (if you can call someone who plays video games for a 12 hours a day elitist). This is just further pushing out barriers of entry to people who don't dedicate their lives to gaming.

How do you know it's going to be the best gear in the game?

You really think they're going to purposely imbalance the game in efforts to get people to purchased this?

I suspect many of the pieces will have either a different look (see motif) or benefit the scenarios that will be present more or less exclusively in IC.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You really think they're going to purposely imbalance the game in efforts to get people to purchased this?

You really think they're not?

PS4 EU

I can pay for a pack of cards...I'm not paying for the cards in order to win the card game....I am paying for them to enable me to play the game.

Have a great Tamriel day.

Would you have argued that ESO was P2W back when a sub was mandatory? Because obviously you couldn't win without paying, since you didn't have access to the content ! It's the same thing now, you pay to get access to the content. What paying will NOT get you is better gear, as even if you purchased the content, you will still have to farm for that gear.
It's not P2W

I feel all dizzy and warm by the profound logic of this thread

If we used this logic every single mmo would be pay to win cause any form of this dlc is a main source of income, dlc/expasions or whatever in mmo terms can be big or small if you have been playing mmos for awhile you know this is true that ever corp more or less makes you pay for new content of this level.

But let me give you the best example of pay to win that is direct, you want the best swords and armor in the game but don't want to do the content at all, you just buy them from the store and thus have the best items that is pay 2 win not buying new content and still having to earn things in that content. Pay to win bypasses the content and lets you buy the best directly with real life cash and so on, no need to even bother with content just get what you want from the store

I never understood people think call a game pay 2 win when it is obvious it is not even remotely so.

For starters if you were a subscriber for the first year you were awarded enough crowns on conversion to outright buy this DLC for no out of pocket cost.

Secondly, the Crown to In game gold conversion rate is roughly ~ 48,000 gold per 1000 crowns. (Calculated by comparing cost of Exp Pots with Exp Scrolls). Basically if you understand this and you spend 1000 crowns on Exp scrolls you're a moron as you can get much more gold for much less $$$ from gold trading sites if you need gold.

So it boils down to the only thing you should be spending crowns on is DLC packs and most of us should have enough crowns saved up to buy the next 2 DLCs and I doubt the game will last much longer than that anyways. If you spent all your crowns on carebear costumes and ponies well that's your own damn fault.

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