I saw this coming a mile away,but I still think for the time/money many players have put into the game I believe it should be less than 20$ or free.I know it would be like this especially since the gaming industry seems more and more focused on money than gaming.

PC "master race"

It's really hard to justify purchasing it though. IC is for a very niche audience - those who enjoy getting ganked, which is like nobody.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Edit: Are they increasing the amount of crowns with ESO Plus? It was 1,500... if it's a permanent thing nice move ZOS.

@ViciousWayz No, you misinterpreted the picture. The DLC costs 2,500, or the DLC is included with ESO Plus.

Sharee wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

November 2003. I was beta testing this game more than a year before you even had it. We were told that IC was part of the original launch package (i.e. that no additional purchase was to be required, period)

Sub no sub, didnt matter, they literally said, verbatim "The IC expansion will not require an additional purchase above and beyond the base game"

Now it does, which is a complete 180 on what us old school players were told nearly 2 years ago.

They said the IC expansion will not require an additional purchase if you are an active subscriber (that went without saying since you had to be a subscriber to play at all)

Now? IC expansion does not require an additional purchase if you are an active subscriber.

How exactly is this a complete 180?

It is and it isn't.

I see your point and, technically, it is correct.

I think from the POV of those who believe the DLC should be free for those who subscribed pre-TU it comes down to the fact that if ZOS had released IC more in line with the timescales originally promised then they'd already have that content regardless of whether they kept subscribing or not post-TU.

There's also the sense that ZOS deliberately held this content back precisely so that those who dropped their subs when TU launched (and I'm sure ZOS expected many would) would have to pay for it.

On to a couple of other points made several times through this thread...

I don't think you can blame subscribers leaving forcing ZOS to go B2P. Subscribers left because of numerous unfixed bugs, lag, lack of new content and broken promises. Those on on ZOS, not the subscribers who felt short-changed and decided to put their money where there mouth is.

As to ZOS giving IC free to those who subbed pre-TU being a great gesture, I agree. However, ZOS has previously shown they don't do gestures in the past for things much smaller than this so I don't believe for one minute they would even consider doing this for those players who've remained with the game since launch.

SgtPepperUK wrote: »

As to ZOS giving IC free to those who subbed pre-TU being a great gesture, I agree. However, ZOS has previously shown they don't do gestures in the past for things much smaller than this so I don't believe for one minute they would even consider doing this for those players who've remained with the game since launch.

*reads your sig, nods and chuckles a bit at the memory*

JSylvan wrote: »

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

I saw this coming a mile away,but I still think for the time/money many players have put into the game I believe it should be less than 20$ or free.I know it would be like this especially since the gaming industry seems more and more focused on money than gaming.

industry:
a : systematic labor especially for some useful purpose or the creation of something of value
b : a department or branch of a craft, art, business, or manufacture; especially : one that employs a large personnel and capital especially in manufacturing
c : a distinct group of productive or profit-making enterprises <the banking industry>
d : manufacturing activity as a whole <the nation's industry>

I am constantly amazed at how many people expect a for-profit company conducting normal business operations in an industry for the primary purpose of producing revenue and income to give away the product of its efforts for nothing.

nothing? we paid sub! and got nothing!
amazed? really you are amazed because people want things for their money and hope ZOS is a fair company?
people trusted ZOS and ZOS showed a many nice things which will come
but only a half justice system have made it in to the game
ZOS owe the loyal gamers something

washlov wrote: »

JSylvan wrote: »

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

I saw this coming a mile away,but I still think for the time/money many players have put into the game I believe it should be less than 20$ or free.I know it would be like this especially since the gaming industry seems more and more focused on money than gaming.

industry:
a : systematic labor especially for some useful purpose or the creation of something of value
b : a department or branch of a craft, art, business, or manufacture; especially : one that employs a large personnel and capital especially in manufacturing
c : a distinct group of productive or profit-making enterprises <the banking industry>
d : manufacturing activity as a whole <the nation's industry>

I am constantly amazed at how many people expect a for-profit company conducting normal business operations in an industry for the primary purpose of producing revenue and income to give away the product of its efforts for nothing.

nothing? we paid sub! and got nothing!
amazed? really you are amazed because people want things for their money and hope ZOS is a fair company?
people trusted ZOS and ZOS showed a many nice things which will come
but only a half justice system have made it in to the game
ZOS owe the loyal gamers something

They really don't own anyone nothing. I agree that the game has many short comings & I have no problem admitting that. I also had no problem stopping my sub, going to play a TON of other games that have released over the 6 months that I was gone from the game, then coming back to the game & playing it for free on the Xbox One. As with any business, if you don't like how things are being done, leave. Something modern gen gamers have a very hard time wrapping there heads around.

Carde wrote: »

When Firor compares what Elder Scrolls will offer its premium players to free offerings, he brings up issues that F2P titles once had in abundance, yet are not as prevelant now. "Elder Scrolls is about being in a giant world, where you’re exploring, and you go to a dungeon, and you don’t get a paygate in front of you saying you don’t have this dungeon," Firor says. "Which means, to us, you need to monetise it outside of the game." While paygates are increasingly less common, some barriers still persist. Certainly, the penny-pinching tactics found in The Old Republic are not desirable.

And there's something to be said about not being confronted with extra costs while in the game itself. "You go outside the game, you pay your month, you go in the game, and when you’re in the game, you’re in the game," Firor clarifies. "There’s no real world stuff reaching in to grab you." Few things break immersion quicker than a game telling you that you can spend cash to unlock chests or get special gear.

I have to say though that currently ESO is in a bad place, worse than SWTOR.

JSylvan wrote: »

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

I saw this coming a mile away,but I still think for the time/money many players have put into the game I believe it should be less than 20$ or free.I know it would be like this especially since the gaming industry seems more and more focused on money than gaming.

industry:
a : systematic labor especially for some useful purpose or the creation of something of value
b : a department or branch of a craft, art, business, or manufacture; especially : one that employs a large personnel and capital especially in manufacturing
c : a distinct group of productive or profit-making enterprises <the banking industry>
d : manufacturing activity as a whole <the nation's industry>

I am constantly amazed at how many people expect a for-profit company conducting normal business operations in an industry for the primary purpose of producing revenue and income to give away the product of its efforts for nothing.

So your a fanboy and made of money?
That a side I understand where your coming from,but I think as much money they've gotten already they couldn't be hurt by doing some good will to the community.
ALSO I'M NOT SAYING I KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE/MAKE.

ITT - a lot of people who are the personification of why freemium has become the next big thing.

Back in MY day *old man voice*, we bought the game, paid a subscription fee every month AND paid for the expansions. How ya like DEM apples?

washlov wrote: »

JSylvan wrote: »

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

I saw this coming a mile away,but I still think for the time/money many players have put into the game I believe it should be less than 20$ or free.I know it would be like this especially since the gaming industry seems more and more focused on money than gaming.

industry:
a : systematic labor especially for some useful purpose or the creation of something of value
b : a department or branch of a craft, art, business, or manufacture; especially : one that employs a large personnel and capital especially in manufacturing
c : a distinct group of productive or profit-making enterprises <the banking industry>
d : manufacturing activity as a whole <the nation's industry>

I am constantly amazed at how many people expect a for-profit company conducting normal business operations in an industry for the primary purpose of producing revenue and income to give away the product of its efforts for nothing.

nothing? we paid sub! and got nothing!
amazed? really you are amazed because people want things for their money and hope ZOS is a fair company?
people trusted ZOS and ZOS showed a many nice things which will come
but only a half justice system have made it in to the game
ZOS owe the loyal gamers something

You have received your due buddy. Here are two things i do not have and I bought the game at launch and didn't pick it up again until recently.

1. Free Champion Points
2. Console xfer for almost nothing

Just stop the QQ man do you expect them to give you something every time they add anything? Typical

We did get enough crowns to cover the cost, provided we haven't already spent them. I do see where long time players are coming from, but in all fairness this is the fact. Yes, ZOS has been less then forthcoming and honest. I'm not the only one who has complained about this. It is one of the reasons why I am no longer a subscriber. Another reason is that if you play on both NA and EU, you have to pay twice for the same content if you want to be able to play it on both servers. That just feels wrong.

I'm pretty sure the real reason ZOS went BTP was because Microsoft refused to let ZOS use the XBOX without paying the XBOX live fee. I believe there were enough funds coming in from the active subscriptions to keep the game going.

I believe that ZOS made the decision to go BTP long before they announced that decision. That was a betrayal by ZOS of the long term PC players that were here since Beta. They have lost credibility over time and I just don't believe it until I see it anymore. I am still waiting for a good reason to resub. I do not believe this DLC qualifies, but I will see if I can survive long enough in Cyrodiil on the PTS to actually get to the IC.

Rylana wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Okay. Let's have a theoretical here.

Imagine that the sub was still mandatory to play. How would that be any different to having a sub to access it now? If you lapsed your sub if it was mandatory, you wouldn't get to play it. Same applies here.

But now you can buy it with crowns that you get if you sub, crown packs if you don't. Either way you have to pay just as you would have had to pay if the sub was still mandatory.

Principle.

Not only do I refuse at this point in time to fund a shithole development company that cant even solve the AOE lag issues in Cyrodiil 15 months after they caused them with the lighting patch and other visual "enhancements" but now they want even more money out of me after preorder, over a year of subscription, and enough patch note disappointment to fill the grand canyon.

For a PvP player this game isnt even worth paying for, but the new addition to the game is centered around our PvP zone, and since the level cap increased, plus new gear is entering the meta, it becomes a "must pay" scenario, something Zenimax does not deseve, not by a long shot.

They literally owe us this expansion for free (anything else they can go ahead and release DLC, as those were NEVER promised as part of the base game like IC was)

This is a special case, and squarely puts Zenimax into the same corporate sludgepile as EA and SOE as of this announcement.

Hmm. You have a point. I do remember them saying IC was included with the base game now that you mention it. While there statements regarding DLC and the cost outside of a subscription once they went F2P somewhat supersede their previous promises, I can totally understand why folks are pissed, cuz it's just one more...ummm... inconsistency.

Definitely foot for thought.

why does everyone think zos is a charity service?
it's a business. do you honestly think you deserve to have free content? how will they make money? people who think like this utterly annoy me.

e1team wrote: »

In LOTRO no one ever complained the new areas were either for subs or cost "Turbine Points". But again, in LOTRO one could grind some amount of "TP"s ingame for free. Not sure about "Crowns".

LOTRO has/had more MMO players used to the idea that in an MMO you will continually pay for something, be it a sub or per piece content. Half the players here never touched an MMO and bought it because Skyrim/TES line.

This will blow over, like every other "upset"