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How to counter 30k+ Shieldstacking Enemies?

  • Roselle
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    Ezareth wrote: »
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    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Why do people keep calling Ball of Lightning BoL?

    I keep thinking it's Breath of Life.

    Stahp.

    Leave your Templar acronyms at the door when you enter. This is a nerf Sorc thread!

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  • Lionxoft
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    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    90k shield stack without healing ward. Would be around 130-140k with a properly used healing ward. Btw I don't think that you people are noticing the subtle sarcasm in the OP. :neutral:

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    thats a bug, had once a 120k shield on my healthbar shown, even if i had no shields active ;)

    @pjwb16_ESO

    It's not a bug. I reloaded UI and it was fresh. I do however know what you're mentioning but that's not the case in the screenshot.
  • Lionxoft
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    No Templar or DK can stack 42k shields. You are lying son.

    The only class that can stack shields that high is a sorc since all they have to do is stack MM and all three of the shields they can use scale to magika.

    Please get educated before you talk about things you know nothing about.

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    Ahzek wrote: »
    Dont think its the bug @pjwb16_ESO
    Rather it is a DK with boneshield, dampen/harness magicka, igneous shield, barrier, leap shield thingy and probably the 120 CP passive in the steed depending on his stat distrubution he could probably even get more than that (if the 65k HP are correct you would get 86k from boneshield + leap alone).

    @Ahzek That screenshot was with 70cp back in January on PTS. It was also about the same time I fully realized that this game was designed by - well, wouldn't want to get a ban. Also, it's not utilizing barrier or healing ward otherwise it would probably be much much higher. Interestingly enough it doesn't even include Bastion passive lol.


    Edited by Lionxoft on July 15, 2015 2:03AM
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    But I also use stam for blocking Meteors, dodge rolling and shuffle... :frowning:
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  • Master_Kas
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    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    This is not true, you are regenerating at half the rate CC/break-free can be applied and this means using nothing stamina related such as block, dodge roll, shuffle, etc.

    I got 810 stam regen on my sorc, not using shuffle, blocking sometimes (rare) and mostly only CC break perfectly fine.
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  • Erock25
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    Lionxoft wrote: »
    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    90k shield stack without healing ward. Would be around 130-140k with a properly used healing ward. Btw I don't think that you people are noticing the subtle sarcasm in the OP. :neutral:

    hST1Nf5.png

    thats a bug, had once a 120k shield on my healthbar shown, even if i had no shields active ;)

    @pjwb16_ESO

    It's not a bug. I reloaded UI and it was fresh. I do however know what you're mentioning but that's not the case in the screenshot.

    I'd like to believe you after this reply, but reloadui does not clear the shield bug so I'm afraid it seems you don't know what you are talking about.
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  • Mr_Bubbely
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    Seaber wrote: »
    The real question is how do you counter someone with 85k hp that isn't the emperor?

    please tell me how to even get 85k hp?
    Im thinking of this dump all atribute points into HP, Imperial passive buffs, heavy armor focus, all legendary health enchantments, health increase boon, all created armor deaths wind set with 2 health set buffs along with a 2nd set of 2 armor pieces and 1 hand and shield for 4 pieces that buff health, all armor enchantments are mundus stone strengthened results in your boon being increased by atleast 50% counting heavy Armor passive and imperail max health passive. Along with food that increases max health?

    Is that how they do it? IS THIS ACTUALLY WORTH DOING? i cant imagine having no stamina and magika...
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  • manny254
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    Well Alcast having played stamina templar extensively in PVP I have to say the biggest issue Vs shields is that they can not be crit. A large portion of a stamina templar's dps comes from crits in PVP. To this end my high damage based build is not effective against good sorcs. Not to mention their ability to kite you with bolt and mines. My more balanced builds can handle most sorcs, but is still ineffective vs the top tier sorcs due to there high burst combos + insane effective hp pool.

    So basically drain their stam, but even then you don't stand a chance against the best sorcs.

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    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight even if the only thing you do is break free.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage. Takes more times than burst and wait for a mistake/bug
    Edited by Erondil on July 15, 2015 11:59AM
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  • Soulac
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    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.
    Edited by Soulac on July 15, 2015 12:01PM
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    Meh double post
    Edited by Soulac on July 15, 2015 12:01PM
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  • manny254
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    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.
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  • ToRelax
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    But I also use stam for blocking Meteors, dodge rolling and shuffle... :frowning:

    Psst, they are talking about good sorcs, not vampire DKs like you. :smile:

    Now this thread is
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight even if the only thing you do is break free.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage. Takes more times than burst and wait for a mistake/bug

    Wait, cc immunity is 8 seconds on break free, unless they changed that.
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  • Erondil
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    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.
    Edited by Erondil on July 15, 2015 12:17PM
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  • Erondil
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    ToRelax wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    But I also use stam for blocking Meteors, dodge rolling and shuffle... :frowning:

    Psst, they are talking about good sorcs, not vampire DKs like you. :smile:

    Now this thread is
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight even if the only thing you do is break free.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage. Takes more times than burst and wait for a mistake/bug

    Wait, cc immunity is 8 seconds on break free, unless they changed that.

    I've always thought its 6 seconds, but if you say so... 7-800 stam regen is still not enough to alwys break cc, even with the use of potions. 900 might be enough with pots on CD and a lot of points in thumbling tho.
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  • Lionxoft
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    90k shield stack without healing ward. Would be around 130-140k with a properly used healing ward. Btw I don't think that you people are noticing the subtle sarcasm in the OP. :neutral:

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    thats a bug, had once a 120k shield on my healthbar shown, even if i had no shields active ;)

    @pjwb16_ESO

    It's not a bug. I reloaded UI and it was fresh. I do however know what you're mentioning but that's not the case in the screenshot.

    I'd like to believe you after this reply, but reloadui does not clear the shield bug so I'm afraid it seems you don't know what you are talking about.

    @Erock25

    It's the truth and if you choose not to believe it then that just shows how well you don't understand ESO's passives, mechanics and abilities. The math is there to even theorycraft if you were smart enough to use it. It's a shame when you call another untruthful solely because they have a far more superior understanding of the game than you. :wink:

    I love it when you post on the forums acting like you know what you're talking about. I remember you telling someone on TF that stacking shields wasn't effective in particular stacking a shield and healing ward as a reliable self heal. You also stated that the DK shield was better than the Sorc's hardened ward.

    If it was a different Erock25 then so be it... I doubt that it's a different person though.


    Edited by Lionxoft on July 15, 2015 12:32PM
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    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    90k shield stack without healing ward. Would be around 130-140k with a properly used healing ward. Btw I don't think that you people are noticing the subtle sarcasm in the OP. :neutral:

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    thats a bug, had once a 120k shield on my healthbar shown, even if i had no shields active ;)

    @pjwb16_ESO

    It's not a bug. I reloaded UI and it was fresh. I do however know what you're mentioning but that's not the case in the screenshot.

    I'd like to believe you after this reply, but reloadui does not clear the shield bug so I'm afraid it seems you don't know what you are talking about.

    @Erock25

    It's the truth and if you choose not to believe it then that just shows how well you don't understand ESO's passives, mechanics and abilities. The math is there to even theorycraft if you were smart enough to use it. It's a shame when you call another untruthful solely because they have a far more superior understanding of the game than you. :wink:

    Actually I do believe in the 90k shield stack. I worded my reply wrong. I think 90K is doable but the fact that you think /reloadui clears shield bug leads me to believe that maybe in the case of the picture it was just a bug and you did not know. Nice emoji though, you really got me with that one.
    Edited by Erock25 on July 15, 2015 12:33PM
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  • Soulac
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    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    Base CC Cost is 50% of the base Stamina which was around 8600 or something.
    Break-Free should cost around 4.300 Stamina,maybe one hundred more, whatever.
    Everyone is able to achieve like 1.3k Stamina recovery if potions are used, Bosmer got it a bit easier.
    You could also use drinks for more than that but let's stick with around 1.3k.

    1.300 x 3 Ticks = 3.900 Stamina
    Not enough for break free every 6 seconds, but you forget the stamina you gain if you use a potion.

    It's another 6k Stamina every 45 seconds.
    6k / 45 x 6 = 800 Stamina

    4.7k Stamina every 6 seconds if you use potions wisely.
    Yap, there is your infinity Stamina and that on base break free cost and no points in Stamina Reg or some medium armor parts.

    Without Bosmer and without Drinks it's surely hard to achieve 1.3k Reg without sacrificing something else.

    Let's say you have some points in Stamina Reg for like 12% boost. You're also former Emperor and got one medium armor piece for the undaunted crap.
    Many people are using Bloodspawn or something else with a single Stamina Reg bonus, let's calculate with that as well.
    These are 1030 Stamina Reg, too lazy to write down the formula.

    That around 3.800 Stamina every Minute if you use potions once a minute, but with more CP or one more medium part you would've enough Stamina.

    It's possible so psssst :3
    Edited by Soulac on July 15, 2015 12:43PM
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  • Lionxoft
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    pjwb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    90k shield stack without healing ward. Would be around 130-140k with a properly used healing ward. Btw I don't think that you people are noticing the subtle sarcasm in the OP. :neutral:

    hST1Nf5.png

    thats a bug, had once a 120k shield on my healthbar shown, even if i had no shields active ;)

    @pjwb16_ESO

    It's not a bug. I reloaded UI and it was fresh. I do however know what you're mentioning but that's not the case in the screenshot.

    I'd like to believe you after this reply, but reloadui does not clear the shield bug so I'm afraid it seems you don't know what you are talking about.

    @Erock25

    It's the truth and if you choose not to believe it then that just shows how well you don't understand ESO's passives, mechanics and abilities. The math is there to even theorycraft if you were smart enough to use it. It's a shame when you call another untruthful solely because they have a far more superior understanding of the game than you. :wink:

    Actually I do believe in the 90k shield stack. I worded my reply wrong. I think 90K is doable but the fact that you think /reloadui clears shield bug leads me to believe that maybe in the case of the picture it was just a bug and you did not know. Nice emoji though, you really got me with that one.

    I hear ya. I could probably get it over 130k though easily as a DK if I used healing ward and probably over 140k if I used the bastion champion passive.

    Edited by Lionxoft on July 15, 2015 12:44PM
  • Erondil
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    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    Base CC Cost is 50% of the base Stamina which was around 8600 or something.
    Break-Free should cost around 4.300 Stamina,maybe one hundred more, whatever.
    Everyone is able to achieve like 1.3k Stamina recovery if potions are used, Bosmer got it a bit easier.
    You could also use drinks for more than that but let's stick with around 1.3k.

    1.300 x 3 Ticks = 3.900 Stamina
    Not enough for break free every 6 seconds, but you forget the stamina you gain if you use a potion.

    It's another 6k Stamina every 45 seconds.
    6k / 45 x 6 = 800 Stamina

    4.7k Stamina every 6 seconds if you use potions wisely.
    Yap, there is your infinity Stamina and that on base break free cost and no points in Stamina Reg or some medium armor parts.

    Without Bosmer and without Drinks it's surely hard to achieve 1.3k Reg without sacrificing something else.

    Let's say you have some points in Stamina Reg for like 12% boost. You're also former Emperor and got one medium armor piece for the undaunted crap.
    Many people are using Bloodspawn or something else with a single Stamina Reg bonus, let's calculate with that as well.
    These are 1030 Stamina Reg, too lazy to write down the formula.

    That around 3.800 Stamina every Minute if you use potions once a minute, but with more CP or one more medium part you would've enough Stamina.

    It's possible so psssst :3

    I'm just answering to the guy who said that 750-900 stam regen is enough to break free all the time. No its not even with tje use of pots (900+20% = 1080 stam regen). No need to write an essay about bosmer and former emperor :P
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  • Soulac
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    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    Base CC Cost is 50% of the base Stamina which was around 8600 or something.
    Break-Free should cost around 4.300 Stamina,maybe one hundred more, whatever.
    Everyone is able to achieve like 1.3k Stamina recovery if potions are used, Bosmer got it a bit easier.
    You could also use drinks for more than that but let's stick with around 1.3k.

    1.300 x 3 Ticks = 3.900 Stamina
    Not enough for break free every 6 seconds, but you forget the stamina you gain if you use a potion.

    It's another 6k Stamina every 45 seconds.
    6k / 45 x 6 = 800 Stamina

    4.7k Stamina every 6 seconds if you use potions wisely.
    Yap, there is your infinity Stamina and that on base break free cost and no points in Stamina Reg or some medium armor parts.

    Without Bosmer and without Drinks it's surely hard to achieve 1.3k Reg without sacrificing something else.

    Let's say you have some points in Stamina Reg for like 12% boost. You're also former Emperor and got one medium armor piece for the undaunted crap.
    Many people are using Bloodspawn or something else with a single Stamina Reg bonus, let's calculate with that as well.
    These are 1030 Stamina Reg, too lazy to write down the formula.

    That around 3.800 Stamina every Minute if you use potions once a minute, but with more CP or one more medium part you would've enough Stamina.

    It's possible so psssst :3

    I'm just answering to the guy who said that 750-900 stam regen is enough to break free all the time. No its not even with tje use of pots (900+20% = 1080 stam regen). No need to write an essay about bosmer and former emperor :P

    Too late dennenub <3
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  • Joy_Division
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    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    Base CC Cost is 50% of the base Stamina which was around 8600 or something.
    Break-Free should cost around 4.300 Stamina,maybe one hundred more, whatever.
    Everyone is able to achieve like 1.3k Stamina recovery if potions are used, Bosmer got it a bit easier.
    You could also use drinks for more than that but let's stick with around 1.3k.

    1.300 x 3 Ticks = 3.900 Stamina
    Not enough for break free every 6 seconds, but you forget the stamina you gain if you use a potion.

    It's another 6k Stamina every 45 seconds.
    6k / 45 x 6 = 800 Stamina

    4.7k Stamina every 6 seconds if you use potions wisely.
    Yap, there is your infinity Stamina and that on base break free cost and no points in Stamina Reg or some medium armor parts.

    Without Bosmer and without Drinks it's surely hard to achieve 1.3k Reg without sacrificing something else.

    Let's say you have some points in Stamina Reg for like 12% boost. You're also former Emperor and got one medium armor piece for the undaunted crap.
    Many people are using Bloodspawn or something else with a single Stamina Reg bonus, let's calculate with that as well.
    These are 1030 Stamina Reg, too lazy to write down the formula.

    That around 3.800 Stamina every Minute if you use potions once a minute, but with more CP or one more medium part you would've enough Stamina.

    It's possible so psssst :3

    Hello Mr./Mrs. Bosmer-Nightblade-Werewolf-FormerEmp-Medium Armor Build,

    Not everyone is able to walk around with 1.3 stam recovery with drinks.

    Sincerely,
    ~ The non OP races, builds, and classes.
    Edited by Joy_Division on July 15, 2015 3:23PM
    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
  • ToRelax
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    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    Base CC Cost is 50% of the base Stamina which was around 8600 or something.
    Break-Free should cost around 4.300 Stamina,maybe one hundred more, whatever.
    Everyone is able to achieve like 1.3k Stamina recovery if potions are used, Bosmer got it a bit easier.
    You could also use drinks for more than that but let's stick with around 1.3k.

    1.300 x 3 Ticks = 3.900 Stamina
    Not enough for break free every 6 seconds, but you forget the stamina you gain if you use a potion.

    It's another 6k Stamina every 45 seconds.
    6k / 45 x 6 = 800 Stamina

    4.7k Stamina every 6 seconds if you use potions wisely.
    Yap, there is your infinity Stamina and that on base break free cost and no points in Stamina Reg or some medium armor parts.

    Without Bosmer and without Drinks it's surely hard to achieve 1.3k Reg without sacrificing something else.

    Let's say you have some points in Stamina Reg for like 12% boost. You're also former Emperor and got one medium armor piece for the undaunted crap.
    Many people are using Bloodspawn or something else with a single Stamina Reg bonus, let's calculate with that as well.
    These are 1030 Stamina Reg, too lazy to write down the formula.

    That around 3.800 Stamina every Minute if you use potions once a minute, but with more CP or one more medium part you would've enough Stamina.

    It's possible so psssst :3

    Hello Mr./Mrs. Bosmer-Nightblade-Werewolf-FormerEmp-Medium Armor Build,

    Not everyone is able to walk around with 1.3 stam recovery with drinks.

    Sincerely,
    ~ The non OP races, builds, and classes.

    I don't know who you are talking to, but I can tell you, everyone is able to reach 1.3k stam regen with drinks.
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  • Valnas
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    700+ regen + pots is infinite break free's for me on sorc. not sure what game you are all playing
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  • Joy_Division
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    Base CC Cost is 50% of the base Stamina which was around 8600 or something.
    Break-Free should cost around 4.300 Stamina,maybe one hundred more, whatever.
    Everyone is able to achieve like 1.3k Stamina recovery if potions are used, Bosmer got it a bit easier.
    You could also use drinks for more than that but let's stick with around 1.3k.

    1.300 x 3 Ticks = 3.900 Stamina
    Not enough for break free every 6 seconds, but you forget the stamina you gain if you use a potion.

    It's another 6k Stamina every 45 seconds.
    6k / 45 x 6 = 800 Stamina

    4.7k Stamina every 6 seconds if you use potions wisely.
    Yap, there is your infinity Stamina and that on base break free cost and no points in Stamina Reg or some medium armor parts.

    Without Bosmer and without Drinks it's surely hard to achieve 1.3k Reg without sacrificing something else.

    Let's say you have some points in Stamina Reg for like 12% boost. You're also former Emperor and got one medium armor piece for the undaunted crap.
    Many people are using Bloodspawn or something else with a single Stamina Reg bonus, let's calculate with that as well.
    These are 1030 Stamina Reg, too lazy to write down the formula.

    That around 3.800 Stamina every Minute if you use potions once a minute, but with more CP or one more medium part you would've enough Stamina.

    It's possible so psssst :3

    Hello Mr./Mrs. Bosmer-Nightblade-Werewolf-FormerEmp-Medium Armor Build,

    Not everyone is able to walk around with 1.3 stam recovery with drinks.

    Sincerely,
    ~ The non OP races, builds, and classes.

    I don't know who you are talking to, but I can tell you, everyone is able to reach 1.3k stam regen with drinks.

    Yes, everyone can do it, just like I can get 4k weapon damage on my magicka templar build. How many shield stacking sorcs do you think are running around with 1.3 stamina regen?
    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
  • Ezareth
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    Base CC Cost is 50% of the base Stamina which was around 8600 or something.
    Break-Free should cost around 4.300 Stamina,maybe one hundred more, whatever.
    Everyone is able to achieve like 1.3k Stamina recovery if potions are used, Bosmer got it a bit easier.
    You could also use drinks for more than that but let's stick with around 1.3k.

    1.300 x 3 Ticks = 3.900 Stamina
    Not enough for break free every 6 seconds, but you forget the stamina you gain if you use a potion.

    It's another 6k Stamina every 45 seconds.
    6k / 45 x 6 = 800 Stamina

    4.7k Stamina every 6 seconds if you use potions wisely.
    Yap, there is your infinity Stamina and that on base break free cost and no points in Stamina Reg or some medium armor parts.

    Without Bosmer and without Drinks it's surely hard to achieve 1.3k Reg without sacrificing something else.

    Let's say you have some points in Stamina Reg for like 12% boost. You're also former Emperor and got one medium armor piece for the undaunted crap.
    Many people are using Bloodspawn or something else with a single Stamina Reg bonus, let's calculate with that as well.
    These are 1030 Stamina Reg, too lazy to write down the formula.

    That around 3.800 Stamina every Minute if you use potions once a minute, but with more CP or one more medium part you would've enough Stamina.

    It's possible so psssst :3

    Hello Mr./Mrs. Bosmer-Nightblade-Werewolf-FormerEmp-Medium Armor Build,

    Not everyone is able to walk around with 1.3 stam recovery with drinks.

    Sincerely,
    ~ The non OP races, builds, and classes.

    I don't know who you are talking to, but I can tell you, everyone is able to reach 1.3k stam regen with drinks.

    Yes, everyone can do it, just like I can get 4k weapon damage on my magicka templar build. How many shield stacking sorcs do you think are running around with 1.3 stamina regen?

    This guy is. Plus another 20% when I drink a Tripot which is....when am I not drinking a tripot?

    I'm Altmer with only 1 piece of Medium and a Werewolf / former Emperor and no set bonuses with Stam recovery.

    It's really easy.
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    Valnas wrote: »
    700+ regen + pots is infinite break free's for me on sorc. not sure what game you are all playing

    It's not when you apply math. You must not be getting CC'ed constantly, are wearing Arena set and you're definitely not ever blocking or dodge rolling.
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    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    So you're saying you interrupt every enemy dwemer? EU peeps so OP
    This one was rekt by Zenimax
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    Roselle wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Also you could invest a few points in tumbling to decrease dodge and break free cost.
    In addition to that you barely get stunned every 6 seconds, most likely it's a bit later, after the immunity disappeared.
    Or you block a stun, whatever.

    Potions raise his stamina regen up to ~1300 by counting both instant stam and the regen buff (3.9k/6 seconds) if he uses them on cooldown, which is still less than what you need to break free even with 39 points (10% in thumbling). Sure you barely cc someone every 6 seonds, thats why I said its hard to manage, but it is possible if you focus only on that.

    manny254 wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    900 stam regen = 2700 stam / 6 seconds. A CC break cost around 4-5k. Do the math, if the player you're facing uses 1 CC every 6 seconds (which is hard to manage), counting that you got 12k stamina and 900 stamina regen you will be out of stamina after 40-50 seconds of fight.
    The thing is just that nowadays no one tries to play on stamina drain because its boring and very hard to manage.

    Potions.
    Not to mention Engine Guardian and CP passives that reduce break free cost.

    If you didnt learn yet to interrupt a stamina dwemer procc then you suck its not my problem.

    So you're saying you interrupt every enemy dwemer? EU peeps so OP

    I do this too.....love bots. +30% Damage bonus on my next attack? Yes please!

    Plus I throw a piercing mark on it for a free heal.

    Sometimes I'll skip the health beam on a sorc if it is inconvenient though as I'm usually fighting damage shields.
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    Ok lemme change the title

    And, Healing ward, hardened ward, Barrier and here you go 50k

    Sorc is the only real problem I have encounted dealing with shields, bc they simply bolt away Healing Ward> Hardened ward and they have back their *** shields.

    Works with other classes too but they dont have an escape ability making them almost immune to dmg

    Barrier is an ultimate. L2P maybe?
    Edited by eventide03b14a_ESO on July 15, 2015 8:00PM
    :trollin:
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