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How to counter 30k+ Shieldstacking Enemies?

  • domlynchb16_ESO
    you need to surprise/gank them - if they are waiting for you/attack first it will be pretty difficult

    i take them out in 2 hits with snipe (4k weapon damage, 73% crit chance)

    with my magicka nb i usually take them out with a heavy/crippling grasp/soul assault. however, if the fight goes on, i usually run out of mana and have to stealth/run
    Edited by domlynchb16_ESO on July 14, 2015 6:48AM
  • Lionxoft
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    90k shield stack without healing ward. Would be around 130-140k with a properly used healing ward. Btw I don't think that you people are noticing the subtle sarcasm in the OP. :neutral:

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    Edited by Lionxoft on July 14, 2015 10:23AM
  • Kas
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    try to find a cost-efficient combo that forces him into shield-restack phase a lot. don't expcet to burst them down. the easiest way is with non-dot magicka builds, imho. stamina builds are really used to their sharpend-mace exploit and many dots are useless.

    one example is old-fashioned medium fire + crushing shock spam. only ball of lightning or good movement can make shield stacking feasible in that case. otherwise one should easily outsustain a stacker.

    of course, stamina and many other attacks can also work. it's a lot about cost efficiency and knowing you're actually fighting a magicka pool and not the health/shield bar. finally, i think we're currently at a peak concerning champion point effectiveness for shield stackers. big chunk (60-100) in bastion + other curcial points. non-shield users defense and almost everyone's offense, however, will significantly profit into the 1000s of CP
    Edited by Kas on July 14, 2015 12:29PM
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  • Soulac
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    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
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  • GilGalad
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    @Alcast on which campaign are you playing?

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    Gil.Galad wrote: »
    @Alcast on which campaign are you playing?
    I dont play a lot of pvp.

    When I do it goes like this:

    4pm to 6pm Thornblade, then lag *** me up so

    I switch to Haderus till im done with pvp
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  • GilGalad
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Gil.Galad wrote: »
    @Alcast on which campaign are you playing?
    I dont play a lot of pvp.

    When I do it goes like this:

    4pm to 6pm Thornblade, then lag *** me up so

    I switch to Haderus till im done with pvp

    Too bad. My shield stacking Sorc mainly plays on azuras atm. Maybe he will visit the Cracked wood Cave on haderus from time to time! :trollface:

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  • pjwb16_ESO
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    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    90k shield stack without healing ward. Would be around 130-140k with a properly used healing ward. Btw I don't think that you people are noticing the subtle sarcasm in the OP. :neutral:

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    thats a bug, had once a 120k shield on my healthbar shown, even if i had no shields active ;)
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  • pjwb16_ESO
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Enlighten me, im a PvP noob and i want to start killing those shieldstacking idiots

    Any stuns, attacks that go through shields?


    First step i did was stacking Nirn, thats done, what else?

    you are EP ^^ just zerg him down :)
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  • Ahzek
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    Dont think its the bug @pjwb16_ESO
    Rather it is a DK with boneshield, dampen/harness magicka, igneous shield, barrier, leap shield thingy and probably the 120 CP passive in the steed depending on his stat distrubution he could probably even get more than that (if the 65k HP are correct you would get 86k from boneshield + leap alone).
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  • Alcast
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    Gil.Galad wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    Gil.Galad wrote: »
    @Alcast on which campaign are you playing?
    I dont play a lot of pvp.

    When I do it goes like this:

    4pm to 6pm Thornblade, then lag *** me up so

    I switch to Haderus till im done with pvp

    Too bad. My shield stacking Sorc mainly plays on azuras atm. Maybe he will visit the Cracked wood Cave on haderus from time to time! :trollface:

    For the dominion! xD

    I am never in CWC. Aint gonna grind goblins like a idiot.

    I am going to haderus to continue PvP without laggerino
    Edited by Alcast on July 14, 2015 1:04PM
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  • Master_Kas
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    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.
    Edited by Master_Kas on July 14, 2015 1:15PM
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  • eliisra
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    if you're a magicka build, dont even bother with a better sorc. Just ignore.

    First you have to burn down a 12-15k Annulment shield...than you have to burn down a 12-15k Hardened Ward...

    Embedded somewhere in-between is Healing Ward bursting up to 25k heals, while you only do half dmg due to nirn stack.

    If you magically manage to crack some shields down, the sorc wont(unlike other classes) be even remotely pressured. Instead he instantly blinks out of gap closer range for the 55th time and recasts the whole shebang.

    You need to land a perfect cc as soon as the shields are gone and before he blinks, than burst all his health down in 1 sec before he breaks out. You average player isn't skilled or even built to pull it of solo. So have fun fighting a sorc for 2 hours.

    Stamina builds have a better chance with mace+sharp bug and more burst. But they also die to sorcs fairly easy. Jumping them from sneak like a turd, preferably while they're on mount, typing or on siege, is my advice to assure perfect victory.
  • Ahzek
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    By the way everyone who wants to improve his PvP performance (unless PvP means ChoooChooo for you) probably should look into duelling as a very efficient means of practise, especially if he/she is not afraid to ask for help and tips from opponents or the guild.
    In EU arena frequently organizes duels and we also have the best guild chat worldwide ! (The most quality QQ you will ever see <3 ).

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  • ToRelax
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    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Have to agree with this, cat xD

    To the original poster: stam nb and Kill them with your OP burst, fear and cloak :trollface:

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    But I also use stam for blocking Meteors, dodge rolling and shuffle... :frowning:
    Ahzek wrote: »
    By the way everyone who wants to improve his PvP performance (unless PvP means ChoooChooo for you) probably should look into duelling as a very efficient means of practise, especially if he/she is not afraid to ask for help and tips from opponents or the guild.
    In EU arena frequently organizes duels and we also have the best guild chat worldwide ! (The most quality QQ you will ever see <3 ).

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/173821/arena-guild-eu-recruitment-video

    Our overambitious @LegendaryMage even took the time to make a promo video.
    For invites you should probably whisper @themdogesbite since mage is in offline mode 99% of the time (slacker!).

    Lol, who is overambitious here? :blush:
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  • Kupoking
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    What I do is try to cc them just before shields are back up then burst em with a whombo combo!

    Frigging hard though.
  • Valnas
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    spam your stam gap closer. use a speed buff. When they are on the ground, use lethal force. extra points if you layer your burst point around cc.
    Edited by Valnas on July 14, 2015 2:37PM
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Or maybe just nerf the stacking mechanic to only 1 maybe 2 shields at once instead of 5. Just saying.
    Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on July 14, 2015 3:33PM
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    Major Shield Buff
    Minor Shield Buff


    Problem solved
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  • Ahzek
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    @ToRelax im not overambitious i just wrote 2 paragraphs >_>
    I just need more victi... I mean non sorc opponents to fight.
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  • Joy_Division
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    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    This is not true, you are regenerating at half the rate CC/break-free can be applied and this means using nothing stamina related such as block, dodge roll, shuffle, etc.
    Edited by Joy_Division on July 14, 2015 5:25PM
    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
  • Ezareth
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    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    This is not true, you are regenerating at half the rate CC/break-free can be applied and this means using nothing stamina related such as block, dodge roll, shuffle, etc.

    Yeah I think the break even point for me popping Tri-stats was 1200 Stamina regen. Plus I'm using triple Stamina cost reduction enchants ( =

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  • Darklord_Tiberius
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    No Templar or DK can stack 42k shields. You are lying son.

    The only class that can stack shields that high is a sorc since all they have to do is stack MM and all three of the shields they can use scale to magika.

    Please get educated before you talk about things you know nothing about.

  • Roselle
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    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Why do people keep calling Ball of Lightning BoL?

    I keep thinking it's Breath of Life.

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  • Erock25
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

    No Templar or DK can stack 42k shields. You are lying son.

    The only class that can stack shields that high is a sorc since all they have to do is stack MM and all three of the shields they can use scale to magika.

    Please get educated before you talk about things you know nothing about.

    It was the OP who claimed Sorc could stack to 50k shields .... and with how Hardened Ward scales, that would imply that Temp/DK could reach 42k shields or around there considering Sorc only have 8K more shields than either Temp/DK.

    Educate yo'self, sucka.
    Edited by Erock25 on July 14, 2015 7:28PM
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  • Ahzek
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    Also barrier + leap shield xP
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  • Ezareth
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    Roselle wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Why do people keep calling Ball of Lightning BoL?

    I keep thinking it's Breath of Life.

    Stahp.

    Leave your Templar acronyms at the door when you enter. This is a nerf Sorc thread!
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  • Roselle
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    Ezareth wrote: »
    Roselle wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Why do people keep calling Ball of Lightning BoL?

    I keep thinking it's Breath of Life.

    Stahp.

    Leave your Templar acronyms at the door when you enter. This is a nerf Sorc thread!

    I don't know what to counter with, so just listen to this? I love this video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JCLY0Rlx6Q
    This one was rekt by Zenimax
  • Ezareth
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    Roselle wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    Roselle wrote: »
    Soulac wrote: »
    BoL Sorc vs BoL Sorc
    Most boring *** in history of eso :D

    Why do people keep calling Ball of Lightning BoL?

    I keep thinking it's Breath of Life.

    Stahp.

    Leave your Templar acronyms at the door when you enter. This is a nerf Sorc thread!

    I don't know what to counter with, so just listen to this? I love this video:

    I see your Walk the Moon and raise you a 7th Element.
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  • RoamingRiverElk
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    With 750-900 stam regen you can cc break always . So dont give that talk about wasting his stam. Good sorcs mostly only use stam to cc break.

    But I also use stam for blocking Meteors, dodge rolling and shuffle... :frowning:

    Psst, they are talking about good sorcs, not vampire DKs like you. :smile:
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