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    Zone chat?
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  • Roselle
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    I'm derailing again

    Watch this video if you ever want to hear people actually be happy about killing a boss at the end:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2knPeI-H5x0
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  • RedTalon
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    BrassRazoo wrote: »
    Don't worry, they will soon realise the reason everyone abandoned DC and do the same.

    And its well known most of the trollers and zone chat trollers where often from other factions, its generally good idea to keep track of account names and not screen names when listening to zone chat
  • Sile
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    What did I start.

    Get to work this morning and see 70 notifications.

    May as well put the serious pants on.
    DC never had a fighting chance until people joined them to help them out, and you want them to leave when its more balanced and not just AD v EP?

    DC has had some pretty close calls, hell, we were leading on the final Thornblade before everyone jumped ship.

    I remember LoM, HoD, and NPK quit playing during US prime, while we were in the lead due to the lag. To be fair, watching a keep get sieged down, and then EP pick up the scroll due to damage not registering, and waltz right out, is pretty dumb, but hey, I can't fault them for getting pissed off for that happening, because I too got pissed off. This is the first real campaign since then where all the big DC guild have been together since that campaign AFAIK.
    Winnamine wrote: »
    Flawlless wrote: »
    It's gone passed the point balancing, it is now a bandwagon. Many times in the last couple weeks I've logged on to see DC poplocked with EP at 2 bars. Gotta love getting zerged by people you used to consider friends. :/ But hey we don't need any fair-weathers, if all they care about is winning, good riddance.

    No one who is V14 now joined DC when it was the winning faction, DC winning is a very, very recent phenomenon.
    You may not like getting beaten by people who used to play on your side, but that's no reason to call them bandwagonners and accuse them of rerolling to join the winning side.

    Also, this is exactly how AD felt when DiE went EP, and suddenly EP was always poplocked and zerging us down. It's weird, because in both cases, only one guild switched, which really shouldn't be enough to change population bars so dramatically across the board, but somehow, it has seemed to...

    We've got 3 or so bigger guilds that have rerolled from EP. Not to mention there are other players rerolling.

    I have no issues with individual players rerolling because they have a hard time finding PVP in their timezone or their guild has fallen apart, and while the effort for 20-50 people to reroll is commendable, it does really throw things wildly in our favour. When you go from fighting 4:1 odds regularly to 1:4 because wherever a fight happens DC comes flooding, you know something is amiss.
    Flawlless wrote: »
    It's gone passed the point balancing, it is now a bandwagon. Many times in the last couple weeks I've logged on to see DC poplocked with EP at 2 bars. Gotta love getting zerged by people you used to consider friends. :/ But hey we don't need any fair-weathers, if all they care about is winning, good riddance.

    I would agree and highlight this.

    It has gone from a few players and PvPers who have come across - which is great, DC really needed it - but it's since progressed to whole guilds. I mean, we don't really need or want SOTP, or PR (you are a great source of easy AP, please stay on EP)
    Zheg wrote: »
    As someone that's played DC and only DC since launch, it'd be nice if players with your mindset would just leave the game (again). DC's organization and leadership has been atrocious over the last few months, and you certainly contributed nothing while being offline. As someone that's supposed to be a big presence in one of the better DC pvp guilds, are you jealous that non DC players are doing a better job of this than you?

    I've run with almost all of the major and most of the smaller DC pvp guilds, and have yet to see the level of organization and coordination that I see with our red transplants. The fact that a guild would re-roll from scratch to play on another alliance should say everything - name one DC guild that's as close-knit and dedicated to pvp that would be able to pull that off without all of their members saying peace out.

    You should be coordinating with and seeing what you can learn from them (as other major DC guild leaders have expressed interest in); with your attitude (and play time over the last few months), one would wonder if you're just starting to feel irrelevant and lashing out. If you have nothing constructive to add to actually improving DC's presence in pvp, then sit back and let the adults talk.

    As an aside, you already posted this "we grew here, you flew here" in another thread. Do moments where you're able to string together a few clever words come so infrequently to you that you felt the need to post them again in their own dedicated thread?

    This thread got super cereal super fast.

    The issue with DC leadership is that all of the DC leaders do what is best for their guilds. You can't fault them for that, you can't blame them for that. Don't get me wrong, I often don't speak highly of their PvP tactics or decisions, but I do recognise that they provide a immeasurably valuable resource - a home for people to PvP in. Every one of the DC guild leaders I have spoken to, always puts their guild first. It's why you saw some of the guilds spread out to other campaigns, strangely enough, over the last few months. AFAIK this reset (the one that just finished) of AS was settled as the one campaign for DC to all home on.

    Also, while I recognise that some of them may or may not like me personally (or vice versa), we have never had any issues putting our personal differences aside to work on a common goal - because we are on the same team.

    I don't think doing a better job comes into it, just as someone who has been here since day 1, when DC were sitting at our gates locked, and put a group together every night to try and give the US / daytime guys something to fight with, the last thing I want us to become is the zerg faction where all of the DC who have been here, stuck it out, and fought a losing battle day after day, become what we despise.

    Also, on the point of whether I'm feeling irrelevant or not, and 'just lashing out' - hardly. Sure, I haven't been around in the last 2 months, but I'm back now. Moving house and starting a new job kinda does take your time away - right now I'm a dirty casual and only really run groups on the US tail-end for a few hours or on weekends - our guild is still going every night and making inroads and doing their part courtesy of Pain in the Ax. We don't need accolades or praise to keep fighting for DC - we fight for DC because it's fun, but being a zerg faction isn't really that fun.

    And yes, I pretend I am very smart. Look at my words, there are so many.


    Edited by Sile on July 13, 2015 12:29AM
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  • Flake
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    We have certainly since a huge influx during Oceanic time.

    Nothing wrong with that, more fights to be had :)
  • Publius_Scipio
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    So let me get this straight. The great GONDOR of old is no longer popular with the general DC population? Pain in the Ax works for Gondor?

    Doesn't really matter actually. All you DC better stop the infighting because when Imperial City drops things are going to get real tough in Cyrodiil. So you all better be ready to work together real real well. ANY INFIGHTING IS A DIRECT SLAP IN THE FACE TO WHISPERS TO RAVENS AND EGYPT. Now some of you might go back to the Wabbajack days and your guilds might have made a name for themselves, but ALL DC KNOW that none are more legendary than Whispers to Ravens, Egypt, and Bitaken (maybe LoM also, but Grunt and Fluffykins were always a tad kooky).

    Whispers to Ravens stood as a testament to the power DC can wield when working together, even against the toughest foes.

    Egypt stands for the ultimate in selflessness and only caring about DC victory on the map.

    Bitaken stood for guild inclusiveness and sound leadership focused on DC campaign victory.

    Now most of you will anticipate wha I am about to say, but I will say it anyways. IF YOU HERSHEY KISS THIN MINT SIZED BICEPS DO NOT HONOR THE VALUES OF THE THREE NAMED ABOVE!!! IF YOU DARE HINDER THE COVENANT IN THE NAME OF PERSONAL OR SINGLE GUILD GLORY, YOU WILL ANSWER TO MY DAMN BIIIIICCCCEEEPPPPPPSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Gilliamtherogue
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    I'd reroll factions if I saw the same faction atop leaderboards for 4 weeks straight. Welcome to the Covenant, hope you all brought your git gud.
    Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!

    Have questions? Send me a message on the forums or my other social media. Seeing people learn is my dream and passion.

    Guides and other fun videos at https://youtube.com/c/gilliamtherogue
  • DezIsDead
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    i rerolled like 3 months ago, im by no means a vetaran DC player, but im staying. I didnt level up 2 vr14's for nothing. Ill still play AD tho, cause i <3 my AD guildies
    Dez Is Dead vr16 AD Sorc
    Rez Dez vr16 DC sorc
    Aimer Cantentius VR16 DC NB AKA Needs Vigor
    Vanreimus Comeback DC DK
    Ihealedurmum VR8 AD temp
    Unonti VR crafting sloot
    Zoschasedawaymyfweinds EP Temp
  • Sile
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    So let me get this straight. The great GONDOR of old is no longer popular with the general DC population? Pain in the Ax works for Gondor?

    Pain and I work together running groups from & for the same guild. We both run groups for Shortbus when we're around.

    Gondor
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    Eternal Dear Leader of Bad People on a Shortbus
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  • Roselle
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    I will not let either EP or DC get Roeback right now. I think you all suck.
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  • TheBull
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    Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.

    No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.
  • Karamis_Vimardon
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    For those who have rerolled.
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    PC NA

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    Karamis, DC Sorc (Magicka)
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  • Roselle
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    Now it's turned to I will not let you have AD scrolls. EP and DC should be fighting for Emperor on Asura's NA PC imo.

    Watch this video while you wait with me:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=36WoGIhHHkQ

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  • PeggymoeXD
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    TheBull wrote: »
    Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.

    No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.

    A lot of you are majorly uninformed. I won't sit here and list specifically the DC that asked and/or were extremely excited to hear that me and a lot of my very small EP guild were rerolling. The reason behind our reroll was, in fact, because of the EP zerg, and how we were tired of being associated with it. I cannot help that those turds later decided to follow.

    I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending. I rolled DC because I was pissed with a lot of specific EP players who assumed that because their guild had the max amount of players online at all times, they ran the game. I still find it quite satisfying to be on the opposing side and destroy most "pros" with little to no effort now, but this is beside the point. Regardless of the turds that forced decent players to turn against them, EP has excellent coordination server-wide. Of course the zone chat can be just as toxic as any other faction, but there are constant, and accurate callouts. When an important objective is being attacked, they come together and defend it. When I got my DC to higher Vet levels (v10-12) I started running with who I thought were the bigger/organized guilds. I was correct in one area, their groups were big. But the leaders in ts made god-awful calls. If we were losing imperial keeps, they would still make calls to play offensively and go for keeps such as dragonclaw.. this is an actual example. I'm sure there are guilds that play very well, but I apparently ran with the not-so-good ones. My point being, DC was in desperate need of help when people like me, Driiga, and Xylena rerolled. We had no intentions of the zerglings following, and believe me when I heard that specific guilds I tried to get away from were most likely also rolling blue, I figured I'd be heading right back to EP.

    Too bad watching my dog crap in the back yard is more entertaining than this game right now. So you don't have to worry about me increasing your ping until zos steps it up.
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  •  Jules
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    TheBull wrote: »
    Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.

    No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.

    You must'nt know many DC.
    PeggymoeXD wrote: »
    TheBull wrote: »
    Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.

    No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.

    A lot of you are majorly uninformed. I won't sit here and list specifically the DC that asked and/or were extremely excited to hear that me and a lot of my very small EP guild were rerolling. The reason behind our reroll was, in fact, because of the EP zerg, and how we were tired of being associated with it. I cannot help that those turds later decided to follow.

    I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending. I rolled DC because I was pissed with a lot of specific EP players who assumed that because their guild had the max amount of players online at all times, they ran the game. I still find it quite satisfying to be on the opposing side and destroy most "pros" with little to no effort now, but this is beside the point. Regardless of the turds that forced decent players to turn against them, EP has excellent coordination server-wide. Of course the zone chat can be just as toxic as any other faction, but there are constant, and accurate callouts. When an important objective is being attacked, they come together and defend it. When I got my DC to higher Vet levels (v10-12) I started running with who I thought were the bigger/organized guilds. I was correct in one area, their groups were big. But the leaders in ts made god-awful calls. If we were losing imperial keeps, they would still make calls to play offensively and go for keeps such as dragonclaw.. this is an actual example. I'm sure there are guilds that play very well, but I apparently ran with the not-so-good ones. My point being, DC was in desperate need of help when people like me, Driiga, and Xylena rerolled. We had no intentions of the zerglings following, and believe me when I heard that specific guilds I tried to get away from were most likely also rolling blue, I figured I'd be heading right back to EP.

    Too bad watching my dog crap in the back yard is more entertaining than this game right now. So you don't have to worry about me increasing your ping until zos steps it up.

    What's with all the hate? You have never run with us, you have absolutely no concept of how we run our guild or the kinds of people and players we are. Perhaps you should redirect your hatred toward people more deserving.
    JULES | PC NA | ADAMANT

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  • PeggymoeXD
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    Jules wrote: »
    TheBull wrote: »
    Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.

    No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.

    You must'nt know many DC.
    PeggymoeXD wrote: »
    TheBull wrote: »
    Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.

    No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.

    A lot of you are majorly uninformed. I won't sit here and list specifically the DC that asked and/or were extremely excited to hear that me and a lot of my very small EP guild were rerolling. The reason behind our reroll was, in fact, because of the EP zerg, and how we were tired of being associated with it. I cannot help that those turds later decided to follow.

    I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending. I rolled DC because I was pissed with a lot of specific EP players who assumed that because their guild had the max amount of players online at all times, they ran the game. I still find it quite satisfying to be on the opposing side and destroy most "pros" with little to no effort now, but this is beside the point. Regardless of the turds that forced decent players to turn against them, EP has excellent coordination server-wide. Of course the zone chat can be just as toxic as any other faction, but there are constant, and accurate callouts. When an important objective is being attacked, they come together and defend it. When I got my DC to higher Vet levels (v10-12) I started running with who I thought were the bigger/organized guilds. I was correct in one area, their groups were big. But the leaders in ts made god-awful calls. If we were losing imperial keeps, they would still make calls to play offensively and go for keeps such as dragonclaw.. this is an actual example. I'm sure there are guilds that play very well, but I apparently ran with the not-so-good ones. My point being, DC was in desperate need of help when people like me, Driiga, and Xylena rerolled. We had no intentions of the zerglings following, and believe me when I heard that specific guilds I tried to get away from were most likely also rolling blue, I figured I'd be heading right back to EP.

    Too bad watching my dog crap in the back yard is more entertaining than this game right now. So you don't have to worry about me increasing your ping until zos steps it up.

    What's with all the hate? You have never run with us, you have absolutely no concept of how we run our guild or the kinds of people and players we are. Perhaps you should redirect your hatred toward people more deserving.

    There were absolutely no specifics mentioned. I will say I am well aware of VE's origin, whether you take this statement negatively or not is up to you, because I'm just saying I know. Also, you don't have to run with a guild to see how they play when they post videos of them playing on the forums.

    To address the "specific players", none in VE are who I'm referring to. So I hope you don't lose any sleep over that statement. Regardless, VE runs in bigger groups. I am by no means saying that big groups aren't necessary, but personally, I don't like them. And EP had a lot of them, DC didn't. There were idiots on EP that were not worth supporting, so I figured why stay?

    I'd like to address that I previously stated I don't even really play anymore. What I think shouldn't matter to you. Heck, it shouldn't anyway. I'm an idiot. Just ask Nelkie.
    Edited by PeggymoeXD on July 13, 2015 5:59AM
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  • Lionxoft
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    Well, when this happens it tells the truth about who stays and who goes. EP is a lot less zergy the few times I've played recently.
  • wrathofrraath
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    As a NA DC since prelaunch all I can say is...


    Welcome to the covenant my homies
    Vokul Lovaas - V16 Magicka Dragonknight
    Vokul Vol - V16 Magicka Nightblade

    Order of Mundus - NA DC

    DK heals OP
  • Roselle
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    PeggymoeXD wrote: »
    TheBull wrote: »
    Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.

    No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.

    A lot of you are majorly uninformed. I won't sit here and list specifically the DC that asked and/or were extremely excited to hear that me and a lot of my very small EP guild were rerolling. The reason behind our reroll was, in fact, because of the EP zerg, and how we were tired of being associated with it. I cannot help that those turds later decided to follow.

    I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending. I rolled DC because I was pissed with a lot of specific EP players who assumed that because their guild had the max amount of players online at all times, they ran the game. I still find it quite satisfying to be on the opposing side and destroy most "pros" with little to no effort now, but this is beside the point. Regardless of the turds that forced decent players to turn against them, EP has excellent coordination server-wide. Of course the zone chat can be just as toxic as any other faction, but there are constant, and accurate callouts. When an important objective is being attacked, they come together and defend it. When I got my DC to higher Vet levels (v10-12) I started running with who I thought were the bigger/organized guilds. I was correct in one area, their groups were big. But the leaders in ts made god-awful calls. If we were losing imperial keeps, they would still make calls to play offensively and go for keeps such as dragonclaw.. this is an actual example. I'm sure there are guilds that play very well, but I apparently ran with the not-so-good ones. My point being, DC was in desperate need of help when people like me, Driiga, and Xylena rerolled. We had no intentions of the zerglings following, and believe me when I heard that specific guilds I tried to get away from were most likely also rolling blue, I figured I'd be heading right back to EP.

    Too bad watching my dog crap in the back yard is more entertaining than this game right now. So you don't have to worry about me increasing your ping until zos steps it up.

    Blah blah blah blah blah.

    You do realize AD sucks and you keep hitting Fare, right?
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  • Yonkit
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    As a NA DC since prelaunch all I can say is...


    Welcome to the covenant my homies

    You have received the Vokul stamp of approval.

    All is well.
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  • PeggymoeXD
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    Roselle wrote: »
    Blah blah blah blah blah.

    You do realize AD sucks and you keep hitting Fare, right?

    common case of not reading to the end.

    "I don't play."
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  • Roselle
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    I am playing right now watching DC try to take Fare and Brindle on AS NA PC.

    Go after EP

    Edit: **** AZ Arizona
    Edited by Roselle on July 13, 2015 6:56AM
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  • Roselle
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    PeggymoeXD wrote: »
    Roselle wrote: »
    Blah blah blah blah blah.

    You do realize AD sucks and you keep hitting Fare, right?

    common case of not reading to the end.

    "I don't play."

    I think everything is too long and I don't read it.
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  • Sile
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    PeggymoeXD wrote: »
    I cannot help that those that decided to follow.

    I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending.

    You would be surprised for how long it DC has been bad at even intel. 9/10 times I find out something is burst through someone in my group saying it's burst, and at that point the inner is down. Hell, I often have to ask "What side, how many, %?" because one or some of those details have been omitted, only to be met with silence.

    Recently DC has stopped even putting oils above a breach, and don't tell me that it doesn't work because of purge spam - this weekend we wiped excessive (3-4:1) numbers of EP / AD by fighting them in the breach and in our own oils, sure we're an organised group, but it only takes a few people fighting in friendly oil to cause a huge number of casualties.

    DC has lacked people stepping up to lead for a very long time. Sometimes it's down to the players, sometimes it's down to the leaders. The amount of times whether solo or in a group, where we've engaged counting on nearby DC to engage with us, only to watch them watch us from stealth - whole groups - to watch us get wiped or fight for our lives and win, as they either try to sneak away from the engagement only to get spotted and wiped, or engage once the fight is clearly won by us, is beyond counting. It seems like people would rather have the easy guaranteed win, let the fight determine who the winner is.

    It still boggles my mind that I've been actively told to stfu in zone chat from multiple sources for telling people to gtfo of the keep while it's unburst and defend in the field, only to have people to yell louder that doing so is a dumb idea and everyone should just wait and set up siege for when they break in.

    You know, despite having run groups and stuff from day 1, there has been 3 people who have asked for the help of our group in any situation, and two of those were Bitaken and Egypt, and this was way back in the days in Wabba. I know I've asked for help in zone when I know there are other groups available, only to find out they're bursting an irrelevant keep with 40 sorely needed people.

    IDK, I have always believed DC could win if they stuck it out, and the amount of times we came tantalizingly close (I don't know where the idea of "we've never even been close to winning a major campaign" has come from, because it isn't true) only to have things to fall apart at the last moment due to squabbling.

    And while some DC may read this and think I'm ragging on DC - just remember that if I'm running a group, and I see you engaged, we will back you up, period, because we are on the same team, but I don't want to believe that numbers is the way to victory we deserve.
    Edited by Sile on July 13, 2015 6:58AM
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  • Roselle
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    Sile wrote: »
    PeggymoeXD wrote: »
    I cannot help that those that decided to follow.

    I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending.

    You would be surprised for how long it DC has been bad at even intel. 9/10 times I find out something is burst through someone in my group saying it's burst, and at that point the inner is down. Hell, I often have to ask "What side, how many, %?" because one or some of those details have been omitted, only to be met with silence.

    Recently DC has stopped even putting oils above a breach, and don't tell me that it doesn't work because of purge spam - this weekend we wiped excessive (3-4:1) numbers of EP / AD by fighting them in the breach and in our own oils, sure we're an organised group, but it only takes a few people fighting in friendly oil to cause a huge number of casualties.

    DC has lacked people stepping up to lead for a very long time. Sometimes it's down to the players, sometimes it's down to the leaders. The amount of times whether solo or in a group, where we've engaged counting on nearby DC to engage with us, only to watch them watch us from stealth - whole groups - to watch us get wiped or fight for our lives and win, as they either try to sneak away from the engagement only to get spotted and wiped, or engage once the fight is clearly won by us, is beyond counting. It seems like people would rather have the easy guaranteed win, let the fight determine who the winner is.

    It still boggles my mind that I've been actively told to stfu in zone chat from multiple sources for telling people to gtfo of the keep while it's unburst and defend in the field, only to have people to yell louder that doing so is a dumb idea and everyone should just wait and set up siege for when they break in.

    You know, despite having run groups and stuff from day 1, there has been 3 people who have asked for the help of our group in any situation, and two of those were Bitaken and Egypt, and this was way back in the days in Wabba. I know I've asked for help in zone when I know there are other groups available, only to find out they're bursting an irrelevant keep with 40 sorely needed people.

    IDK, I have always believed DC could win if they stuck it out, and the amount of times we came tantalizingly close (I don't know where the idea of "we've never even been close to winning a major campaign" has come from, because it isn't true) only to have things to fall apart at the last moment due to squabbling.

    And while some DC may read this and think I'm ragging on DC - just remember that if I'm running a group, and I see you engaged, we will back you up, period, because we are on the same team, but I don't want to believe that numbers is the way to victory we deserve.

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  • Seri
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    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Well, when this happens it tells the truth about who stays and who goes. EP is a lot less zergy the few times I've played recently.

    The question then is who to 'blame'. Pretty sure I noted both Azura and Haderus having AD+DC poplock, leaving EP underrepresented. I have trouble believing the two guilds mentioned so far could make up that entire difference, nor would either guild operate in the manner of, eg, the zerging blob I saw on Haderus Sunday.
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  • EIGHTS
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    Sile wrote: »
    You would be surprised for how long it DC has been bad at even intel. 9/10 times I find out something is burst through someone in my group saying it's burst, and at that point the inner is down. Hell, I often have to ask "What side, how many, %?" because one or some of those details have been omitted, only to be met with silence.

    If I'm online, I always tell people where, how many enemies and situation in Zone chat.

    Some of DC players laugh at me before.
    They said I talk too much in Zone chat. (they want a empty Zone chat)
    Put me in the ignored list.
    But I don't care, I know that's the best way to defend keeps.


    Edited by EIGHTS on July 13, 2015 7:42AM
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    EIGHTS wrote: »
    Sile wrote: »
    You would be surprised for how long it DC has been bad at even intel. 9/10 times I find out something is burst through someone in my group saying it's burst, and at that point the inner is down. Hell, I often have to ask "What side, how many, %?" because one or some of those details have been omitted, only to be met with silence.

    If I'm online, I always tell people where, how many enemies and situation in Zone chat.

    Some of DC players laugh at me before.
    They said I talk too much in Zone chat. (they want a empty Zone chat)
    Put me in the ignored list.
    But I don't care, I know that's the best way to defend keeps.


    @EIGHTS I will say that you do make many useful call outs in zone chat. My guild has stomped many keep take attempts because we were able to get there before it burst and set up a proper keep defense. I have been trying to get people to use zone chat more effectively. The number of times I see "inc" in zone chat without any reference to numbers, positino, and from what direction drives me mad. How many people shout "GLADE UA" after the outer is already down? Recently my guild has made a conscious effort to do a better job of scouting and it has made a difference the last week.
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  • Weberda
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    Those of us from EP Hit Squad (Xylena, Peggy Moe, Driiga, et al) came over to play DC out of a concern for game balance. ESO's PvP requires all three factions to be competitive if it is to succeed. We didn't come over because we felt sorry for DC or wanted to take over the faction. We came over because we care about the game and we want competitive PvP.

    As all of you know who play on Azura's Star the lag recently has made the campaign almost unplayable as early as 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon. When a campaign has three pop-locked factions big groups of players are going to be present at points of conflict. No way around it. And game performance is going to nose dive. It is up to ZOS to fix the situation and they need to do it now because it's causing the intense friction among players so evident in this entire thread.
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    Lo Behold, AD Thornblade NA (formerly Haderus, inactive)
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    You know many base their opinion on what happened in Azura during the last few days. I think we should give players time to decide what campaign they will actually play. After some time players will notice where their preferences lay. I think we will see some campaigns getting more competitive as DC presence will grow. Wait some time before making the final judgement whether DC will benefit from rerolls. As it was already said the big change in pvp will be the Imperial City. By that time I hope DC will be a force recognized for all the good reasons. At least pvp population has taken a nice curve upwards from the times DC had the lowest population. So low DC had to give up on winning a major campaign.
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