BrassRazoo wrote: »Don't worry, they will soon realise the reason everyone abandoned DC and do the same.
bosmern_ESO wrote: »DC never had a fighting chance until people joined them to help them out, and you want them to leave when its more balanced and not just AD v EP?
It's gone passed the point balancing, it is now a bandwagon. Many times in the last couple weeks I've logged on to see DC poplocked with EP at 2 bars. Gotta love getting zerged by people you used to consider friends.But hey we don't need any fair-weathers, if all they care about is winning, good riddance.
No one who is V14 now joined DC when it was the winning faction, DC winning is a very, very recent phenomenon.
You may not like getting beaten by people who used to play on your side, but that's no reason to call them bandwagonners and accuse them of rerolling to join the winning side.
Also, this is exactly how AD felt when DiE went EP, and suddenly EP was always poplocked and zerging us down. It's weird, because in both cases, only one guild switched, which really shouldn't be enough to change population bars so dramatically across the board, but somehow, it has seemed to...
It's gone passed the point balancing, it is now a bandwagon. Many times in the last couple weeks I've logged on to see DC poplocked with EP at 2 bars. Gotta love getting zerged by people you used to consider friends.But hey we don't need any fair-weathers, if all they care about is winning, good riddance.
As someone that's played DC and only DC since launch, it'd be nice if players with your mindset would just leave the game (again). DC's organization and leadership has been atrocious over the last few months, and you certainly contributed nothing while being offline. As someone that's supposed to be a big presence in one of the better DC pvp guilds, are you jealous that non DC players are doing a better job of this than you?
I've run with almost all of the major and most of the smaller DC pvp guilds, and have yet to see the level of organization and coordination that I see with our red transplants. The fact that a guild would re-roll from scratch to play on another alliance should say everything - name one DC guild that's as close-knit and dedicated to pvp that would be able to pull that off without all of their members saying peace out.
You should be coordinating with and seeing what you can learn from them (as other major DC guild leaders have expressed interest in); with your attitude (and play time over the last few months), one would wonder if you're just starting to feel irrelevant and lashing out. If you have nothing constructive to add to actually improving DC's presence in pvp, then sit back and let the adults talk.
As an aside, you already posted this "we grew here, you flew here" in another thread. Do moments where you're able to string together a few clever words come so infrequently to you that you felt the need to post them again in their own dedicated thread?
Publius_Scipio wrote: »So let me get this straight. The great GONDOR of old is no longer popular with the general DC population? Pain in the Ax works for Gondor?

Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.
No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.
Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.
No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.
PeggymoeXD wrote: »Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.
No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.
A lot of you are majorly uninformed. I won't sit here and list specifically the DC that asked and/or were extremely excited to hear that me and a lot of my very small EP guild were rerolling. The reason behind our reroll was, in fact, because of the EP zerg, and how we were tired of being associated with it. I cannot help that those turds later decided to follow.
I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending. I rolled DC because I was pissed with a lot of specific EP players who assumed that because their guild had the max amount of players online at all times, they ran the game. I still find it quite satisfying to be on the opposing side and destroy most "pros" with little to no effort now, but this is beside the point. Regardless of the turds that forced decent players to turn against them, EP has excellent coordination server-wide. Of course the zone chat can be just as toxic as any other faction, but there are constant, and accurate callouts. When an important objective is being attacked, they come together and defend it. When I got my DC to higher Vet levels (v10-12) I started running with who I thought were the bigger/organized guilds. I was correct in one area, their groups were big. But the leaders in ts made god-awful calls. If we were losing imperial keeps, they would still make calls to play offensively and go for keeps such as dragonclaw.. this is an actual example. I'm sure there are guilds that play very well, but I apparently ran with the not-so-good ones. My point being, DC was in desperate need of help when people like me, Driiga, and Xylena rerolled. We had no intentions of the zerglings following, and believe me when I heard that specific guilds I tried to get away from were most likely also rolling blue, I figured I'd be heading right back to EP.
Too bad watching my dog crap in the back yard is more entertaining than this game right now. So you don't have to worry about me increasing your ping until zos steps it up.
Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.
No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.
You must'nt know many DC.PeggymoeXD wrote: »Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.
No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.
A lot of you are majorly uninformed. I won't sit here and list specifically the DC that asked and/or were extremely excited to hear that me and a lot of my very small EP guild were rerolling. The reason behind our reroll was, in fact, because of the EP zerg, and how we were tired of being associated with it. I cannot help that those turds later decided to follow.
I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending. I rolled DC because I was pissed with a lot of specific EP players who assumed that because their guild had the max amount of players online at all times, they ran the game. I still find it quite satisfying to be on the opposing side and destroy most "pros" with little to no effort now, but this is beside the point. Regardless of the turds that forced decent players to turn against them, EP has excellent coordination server-wide. Of course the zone chat can be just as toxic as any other faction, but there are constant, and accurate callouts. When an important objective is being attacked, they come together and defend it. When I got my DC to higher Vet levels (v10-12) I started running with who I thought were the bigger/organized guilds. I was correct in one area, their groups were big. But the leaders in ts made god-awful calls. If we were losing imperial keeps, they would still make calls to play offensively and go for keeps such as dragonclaw.. this is an actual example. I'm sure there are guilds that play very well, but I apparently ran with the not-so-good ones. My point being, DC was in desperate need of help when people like me, Driiga, and Xylena rerolled. We had no intentions of the zerglings following, and believe me when I heard that specific guilds I tried to get away from were most likely also rolling blue, I figured I'd be heading right back to EP.
Too bad watching my dog crap in the back yard is more entertaining than this game right now. So you don't have to worry about me increasing your ping until zos steps it up.
What's with all the hate? You have never run with us, you have absolutely no concept of how we run our guild or the kinds of people and players we are. Perhaps you should redirect your hatred toward people more deserving.
PeggymoeXD wrote: »Way too many people grinding rerolls atm. I can't even level my alt.
No DC I know ever asked for rerolls. EP & AD just figured we wanted to zerg too.
A lot of you are majorly uninformed. I won't sit here and list specifically the DC that asked and/or were extremely excited to hear that me and a lot of my very small EP guild were rerolling. The reason behind our reroll was, in fact, because of the EP zerg, and how we were tired of being associated with it. I cannot help that those turds later decided to follow.
I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending. I rolled DC because I was pissed with a lot of specific EP players who assumed that because their guild had the max amount of players online at all times, they ran the game. I still find it quite satisfying to be on the opposing side and destroy most "pros" with little to no effort now, but this is beside the point. Regardless of the turds that forced decent players to turn against them, EP has excellent coordination server-wide. Of course the zone chat can be just as toxic as any other faction, but there are constant, and accurate callouts. When an important objective is being attacked, they come together and defend it. When I got my DC to higher Vet levels (v10-12) I started running with who I thought were the bigger/organized guilds. I was correct in one area, their groups were big. But the leaders in ts made god-awful calls. If we were losing imperial keeps, they would still make calls to play offensively and go for keeps such as dragonclaw.. this is an actual example. I'm sure there are guilds that play very well, but I apparently ran with the not-so-good ones. My point being, DC was in desperate need of help when people like me, Driiga, and Xylena rerolled. We had no intentions of the zerglings following, and believe me when I heard that specific guilds I tried to get away from were most likely also rolling blue, I figured I'd be heading right back to EP.
Too bad watching my dog crap in the back yard is more entertaining than this game right now. So you don't have to worry about me increasing your ping until zos steps it up.
wrathofrraath wrote: »As a NA DC since prelaunch all I can say is...
Welcome to the covenant my homies
PeggymoeXD wrote: »
PeggymoeXD wrote: »I cannot help that those that decided to follow.
I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending.
PeggymoeXD wrote: »I cannot help that those that decided to follow.
I would like to add, when I first started playing on DC side, it pained me to watch the (lack of) tactics and teamwork when actually put into a fight. Of course, there was always the factor that DC was normally hilariously outnumbered. But watching DC attempt a defense was like watching ants after you've kicked their anthill. Very rarely was anything productive being called out in chat, and constantly there was bickering and stupid arguing happening while defending.
You would be surprised for how long it DC has been bad at even intel. 9/10 times I find out something is burst through someone in my group saying it's burst, and at that point the inner is down. Hell, I often have to ask "What side, how many, %?" because one or some of those details have been omitted, only to be met with silence.
Recently DC has stopped even putting oils above a breach, and don't tell me that it doesn't work because of purge spam - this weekend we wiped excessive (3-4:1) numbers of EP / AD by fighting them in the breach and in our own oils, sure we're an organised group, but it only takes a few people fighting in friendly oil to cause a huge number of casualties.
DC has lacked people stepping up to lead for a very long time. Sometimes it's down to the players, sometimes it's down to the leaders. The amount of times whether solo or in a group, where we've engaged counting on nearby DC to engage with us, only to watch them watch us from stealth - whole groups - to watch us get wiped or fight for our lives and win, as they either try to sneak away from the engagement only to get spotted and wiped, or engage once the fight is clearly won by us, is beyond counting. It seems like people would rather have the easy guaranteed win, let the fight determine who the winner is.
It still boggles my mind that I've been actively told to stfu in zone chat from multiple sources for telling people to gtfo of the keep while it's unburst and defend in the field, only to have people to yell louder that doing so is a dumb idea and everyone should just wait and set up siege for when they break in.
You know, despite having run groups and stuff from day 1, there has been 3 people who have asked for the help of our group in any situation, and two of those were Bitaken and Egypt, and this was way back in the days in Wabba. I know I've asked for help in zone when I know there are other groups available, only to find out they're bursting an irrelevant keep with 40 sorely needed people.
IDK, I have always believed DC could win if they stuck it out, and the amount of times we came tantalizingly close (I don't know where the idea of "we've never even been close to winning a major campaign" has come from, because it isn't true) only to have things to fall apart at the last moment due to squabbling.
And while some DC may read this and think I'm ragging on DC - just remember that if I'm running a group, and I see you engaged, we will back you up, period, because we are on the same team, but I don't want to believe that numbers is the way to victory we deserve.
Well, when this happens it tells the truth about who stays and who goes. EP is a lot less zergy the few times I've played recently.
You would be surprised for how long it DC has been bad at even intel. 9/10 times I find out something is burst through someone in my group saying it's burst, and at that point the inner is down. Hell, I often have to ask "What side, how many, %?" because one or some of those details have been omitted, only to be met with silence.
You would be surprised for how long it DC has been bad at even intel. 9/10 times I find out something is burst through someone in my group saying it's burst, and at that point the inner is down. Hell, I often have to ask "What side, how many, %?" because one or some of those details have been omitted, only to be met with silence.
If I'm online, I always tell people where, how many enemies and situation in Zone chat.
Some of DC players laugh at me before.
They said I talk too much in Zone chat. (they want a empty Zone chat)
Put me in the ignored list.
But I don't care, I know that's the best way to defend keeps.