I personally don't mind the higher level cap and actually think there should be a regular level cap independent of DLC content... Also, petitions are against forum rules @Evarwyn

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Evarwyn wrote: »

Ok, I'll take it down then. Seems hardly democratic though. You can find this on the ESO sub reddit

We do not disagree on that. lol.

I'm excited for the added levels. Sorry so many of you don't want to progress anymore. If the cap of the game was lvl 50 or VR14, what would you do once you got the gear you wanted? What would drive you to continue playing. If you had the best gear, and they added more dungeons/trials/etc., what would drive you to run them more then once or twice? You would already have the best gear, so what would be the point?

The only issue I see is the Champion system. I think it is a good addition, but newer people will never catch up with veterans or players that have the luxury to play all day. If they put a lower cap on the Champion Points, or maybe added softcaps back in the game, then CP wouldn't be an issue. ( I know this is one way to continue progression, but there needs to be a way for people to be able to catch up and be just as competitive. The design now, doesn't allow this.)

As far as the levels upping, I think it is good to have more to work towards. Other wise, like I said, what would drive you to continue playing, once you got the gear you wanted?

Just my thoughts, you are more than welcome to disagree.

Im totally excited for the new levels!

The rise to vr16 wouldn't be the problem IF it werent for the already tedious and long grind Veteran ranks are in the first place, and even more importantly, that its all required to do proper endgame content. Im personally sick and tired of seeing the vast majority of my friends and fellow gamers jump ship because the grind is too huge and boring. Were it not for those pesky veteran ranks, I would still have more than 200 active endgamers in my guild, but no, instead I have to go with a mere 30 folk because nobody else wants to pull themselves through the long and tidious grind just to get to the juicy stuff. Veteran ranks sounds fine on paper, but works badly in practice.

Zorrashi wrote: »

Grimnaur wrote: »

I'm excited for the added levels. Sorry so many of you don't want to progress anymore. If the cap of the game was lvl 50 or VR14, what would you do once you got the gear you wanted? What would drive you to continue playing. If you had the best gear, and they added more dungeons/trials/etc., what would drive you to run them more then once or twice? You would already have the best gear, so what would be the point?

The "best gear" does not have to be one definitive, singular set: it can be many if the sets are designed to be weak/strong in certain situations. But of course I assume you mean the base rating right? Then simply have more variations of similar armor with the same base rating only with more variety in styles and sets with unique abilities. Or better yet, don't make endgame about just the gear. Add in stories, new abilities, new passives...you can even add them as rewards for completing high difficulty content. Make the abilities borderline op for all I care.

But even if I had the definitive 'best gear', why would I still play? Because of content beyond simple gear. Again, its about the actual experience that I get while playing, and I don't necessarily need gear to be at the end of it (it is nice to have however). Even a small cinematic would be fine. But if I found a loot drop of, say, a box that can 'perfectly' deconstruct an item (i.e get back everything you put into an item--tempers and all) then I can easily use that or sell it on the market. Or, if that sort of item is unlikely to make its way into the game, then I would easily fight for--get this--a dragon head to mount in my currently-nonexistent house just for an aesthetic bragging right (we kinda do this already with dyes).

The rewards don't necessarily have to be 'you got new gear!'. Just like the rewards don't necessarily have to be 'you gained yet another level!'.

The best gear I am referring to is stuff like the undaunted sets for PVE. I know people have different sets for PVP, but these sets are the ones that most of the people complaining are talking about.

As far as your other point, yes the rewards don't have to be gear, but once you see the cinematic what's to keep you coming back to do that content? Gear grind is what makes people do dungeons over and over again. The dye system is the same way. If I level a character and get a certain dye, I could care less about trying to get the same dye again on a different character.

I do like the idea of the dragon head to mount on the wall, but unless it has a low drop rate, you aren't going to run the dungeon that it dropped from more that once or twice. So that content that they added, would be done in a few days, and there would be no incentive for people to continue playing it.

Good info guys. Thanks for the input.

Generally speaking, new levels is NOT an issue. The problem, I believe, is adding these levels without content.

BEFORE YOU GO NUTS ON ME....

The Imperial City is NOT 'enough content' for your standard PvE player. Why?

Its in Cyrodiil. That means PvP. MOST (not all) MOST PvE players do not want to even go NEAR Cyrodiil because they are afraid of getting killed, getting ganked, having to fight other players, etc, etc. Its not enough, because most PvE fans will be disinterested in the Imperial City's PvE content. As MOST (not all) PvE players are disinterested in the PvE content that currently exists in Cyrodiil.

I know Orsinium is supposed to come out too. I also am aware that ZOS stated these ranks are coming out due to itemization concerns.

A. We have NO idea when Orsinium is supposed to debut, nor has ZOS stated (yet) when it will come out: "To clarify, the Veteran Rank increase is planned to roll out with the release of Imperial City. In the coming weeks, we will be talking more about the the Veteran Rank increase, including vision behind the decision and the newly added benefits that go along with it. "

B. Itemization. Itemization.....? Folks...most of us have played other MMOs. When has it REALLY been necessary to increase the level cap of your character because gear needed to be upgraded? N-E-V-E-R! Gear and items add to the current stats your character already has. That's why, in WoW, Rift, SWTOR, (insert popular MMO game here), when you reach level cap, the developers inset raids, so you can kill bosses, have gear drop that is more powerful than what you're wearing, and then be able to take on more challenging content. They don't have to increase the level of your character to do this or to somehow allow for better itemizaton or gearing options.

I'm afraid that going to VR16, when we barely have enough content for VR14s (and no, dungeons that scale to VR14 is not the same thing, because it wasn't developed with VR14 'best in slot gear' in mind. Yes, that truly does make a difference), is only going to water down the, already lack luster, challenge in the game at these end levels.

Personally, I believe these Vet Ranks are being added because people are leaving the game in droves, and two more Vet levels will keep people in the game, playing, and looking to purchase crap from their crappy store, like the BS xp potions NO ONE REALLY wanted them to put in the game in the first place.

I have more to say...but that's what the podcast is for.

See you guys around.

Them adding 2 more levels to the VR, short of it being removed, is a good thing, since they have reduced the amount of XP you need to get them, iirc, from 50 to vr16 will take ~36,000,000 xp as opposed to now where it takes 40mil xp to go from 50 to vr 14

Sure lots of people are gonna be disappointed, well thats slightly said, pissed off and angry, especially those whove spent tons of time and AP to get gears, but gears become obsolete in MMOs, and thats just a fact. I dont think I upgrade my gears though, CP is way more important anyway than two VR levels. Btw, new gears and gears become obsolete shouldnt be anykind of surprise, they have spoken about the plan to add seasonal gears later.