A Havöc Production

Huckdabuck · July 2015

I'd love it if MY impulse/steel tornado (or any other AoE) did the same thing that caltrops/healing does.....sadly it doesn't and I'd wager to say that it's really not intended but as @Observant above states....."there's just aren't enough QQ threads about it" yet for ZOS to acknowledge or even care about correcting the snafu. Garbage game is garbage. Everything that's cringe worthy in this game today that people say is WAI takes me back to the "it's a very grey area" quote on the forums in June 2014.

CN_Daniel · July 2015

If targeted heals going through a wall isn't an exploit, then why aren't my targeted crushing shocks doing it?

bazinga

Earendal · July 2015

...Because targeted spells require LoS, heals do not as they aren't targeted. Bazinga? Pro-tip: heals also go through floors, before you accuse us of that "exploit."

@ZOS_BrianWheeler care to confirm this?

Observant · July 2015

Earendal wrote: »

...Because targeted spells require LoS, heals do not as they aren't targeted. Bazinga? Pro-tip: heals also go through floors, before you accuse us of that "exploit."

Quit focusing on NPK and acknowledge the other, more fruitful posts tough guy

Takllin · July 2015

Yeah there isn't a heal in the game that you have to target the person...

Valnas · July 2015

sorc and nightblade heals require targets and suffer 'heal mitigation'

Mako1132 · July 2015

NPK Daniel wrote: »

If targeted heals going through a wall isn't an exploit, then why aren't my targeted crushing shocks doing it?

bazinga

God you have no idea what you are talking about. There is no such thing as targeted heals in this game.

Mako1132 · July 2015

Valnas wrote: »

sorc and nightblade heals require targets and suffer 'heal mitigation'

Those aren't heals in the general sense, they are damage abilities with a heal attached to it as a condition of the damage.

Satiar · July 2015

Why is this even an argument? Been this way forever, any raid lead worth anything knows to not put his healers through the door, or that caltrops through the door for numbers is a good idea. It's good tactics, that's all.

Ghostbane · July 2015

Thread Summary:

"Havoc haxes emails, but they donts"

Satiar · July 2015

Havoc haxed my email? Well now it's on!

Valnas · July 2015

Mako1132 wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

sorc and nightblade heals require targets and suffer 'heal mitigation'

Those aren't heals in the general sense, they are damage abilities with a heal attached to it as a condition of the damage.

they are most definetly heals in the general sense, as said classes don't have heals that aren't on the condition of damage (dark deal is trash, hard ward is leaned on so hard because of this)

i think we're agreeing that smart heals have no skill cap comparatively when nb's and sorcs need to use burst mechanics and targetting to land big heals ...

Observant · July 2015

Satiar wrote: »

Why is this even an argument? Been this way forever, any raid lead worth anything knows to not put his healers through the door, or that caltrops through the door for numbers is a good idea. It's good tactics, that's all.

It's a great debate if NPK would stop saying silly comments, and others would hop off his back.

We're now so accustom to the heals and caltrops going through doors that no one even stops to think if it's WAI or not. And I can say without a reasonable doubt that caltrops shouldn't be going through doors.

It's not something that anyone is intentionally exploiting, it's just a part of the game at this point.
That doesn't mean that it's working as intended though.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Caltrops+Heals going through walls was intended? can you get an answer for us?

Akinos · July 2015

Observant wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Why is this even an argument? Been this way forever, any raid lead worth anything knows to not put his healers through the door, or that caltrops through the door for numbers is a good idea. It's good tactics, that's all.

It's a great debate if NPK would stop saying silly comments, and others would hop off his back.

We're now so accustom to the heals and caltrops going through doors that no one even stops to think if it's WAI or not. And I can say without a reasonable doubt that caltrops shouldn't be going through doors.

It's not something that anyone is intentionally exploiting, it's just a part of the game at this point.
That doesn't mean that it's working as intended though.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Caltrops+Heals going through walls was intended? can you get an answer for us?

I know Solar Barrage used to do damage through walls and doors, but that got fixed. So one can only assume that Caltrops at least, that's not working as intended.

Tripwyr · July 2015

Earendal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Game mechanics did allow porting through walls too; but we're not calling than an exploit either right?

That was most definitely an exploit, hence the patch to fix it. It was also something you never "caught" Havoc doing, because we never did.

I have video of you guys abusing lag to spam ultimates. Do I need to upload them? Rofl.

Xiphyla · July 2015

Earendal wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Earendal wrote: »

We're still waiting for someone to deal us our first 10v10 loss,

lol

Does that imply that you're going to find 10 people and show us something we haven't seen? I'm sure you know who to get a hold of to organize it. We'll continue to wait.

NPK Daniel wrote: »

We've been studying y'all and picking up some awesome exploits on the way :-)

I love the "everyone rush the tower but healers touch the outside walls and heal through the walls tactic"; we've been using it since i caught you guys doing it.

Your team has an amazing understanding of the game's mechanics and take advantage of anything possible. Which is fair in war.

I don't think anyone who's played this game for any decent amount of time would consider that an exploit. Well, excluding you. You claim to have "respect" for us, yet you're constantly suggesting or subtly accusing us of "exploiting" or "something fishy." Honestly, sounds like an L2P issue to me.

aco5712 wrote: »

Earendal wrote: »

Does that imply that you're going to find 10 people and show us something we haven't seen? I'm sure you know who to get a hold of to organize it. We'll continue to wait.

@Earendal
are you saying that 100% that havoc has never lost a 10v10 in their entire existence.....?

They just challenged Nemesis to a 10v10. Leo should go ask braidas to organise it :P xD. By the way , subtomik told me to post since he cant post on forum. He said you guys aka havoc know what happened in the 8v8 last time

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aco5712 · July 2015

Xiphyla wrote: »

Earendal wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Earendal wrote: »

We're still waiting for someone to deal us our first 10v10 loss,

lol

Does that imply that you're going to find 10 people and show us something we haven't seen? I'm sure you know who to get a hold of to organize it. We'll continue to wait.

NPK Daniel wrote: »

We've been studying y'all and picking up some awesome exploits on the way :-)

I love the "everyone rush the tower but healers touch the outside walls and heal through the walls tactic"; we've been using it since i caught you guys doing it.

Your team has an amazing understanding of the game's mechanics and take advantage of anything possible. Which is fair in war.

I don't think anyone who's played this game for any decent amount of time would consider that an exploit. Well, excluding you. You claim to have "respect" for us, yet you're constantly suggesting or subtly accusing us of "exploiting" or "something fishy." Honestly, sounds like an L2P issue to me.

aco5712 wrote: »

Earendal wrote: »

Does that imply that you're going to find 10 people and show us something we haven't seen? I'm sure you know who to get a hold of to organize it. We'll continue to wait.

@Earendal
are you saying that 100% that havoc has never lost a 10v10 in their entire existence.....?

They just challenged Nemesis to a 10v10. Leo should go ask braidas to organise it :P xD. By the way , subtomik told me to post since he cant post on forum. He said you guys aka havoc know what happened in the 8v8 last time .

That 8v8 was what I was referring to when I said my original comment hahaha

GRxKnight · July 2015

Yeah I'll admit that Havoc is composed of good players...but really toxic people.

After they win a fight, you can expect to be t-bagged endlessly and get a slew of hate tells from their members. After they lose a fight, message any one of them and say GGWP or good fight and they'll start making up a ton of excuses as to why they lost and call you trash.

*Que 'Why can't we be friends?' in the background*

Flake · July 2015

Leave Havoc alone!

Sile · July 2015

GRxKnight wrote: »

Yeah I'll admit that Havoc is composed of good players...but really toxic people.

After they win a fight, you can expect to be t-bagged endlessly and get a slew of hate tells from their members. After they lose a fight, message any one of them and say GGWP or good fight and they'll start making up a ton of excuses as to why they lost and call you trash.

*Que 'Why can't we be friends?' in the background*

idk, many of their better players are pretty chill, it's their bad ones who talk trash. Hektic t-bags but he's a fairly jovial fellow.

Gol Barr · July 2015

certainly getting to attention...

Gol Barr · July 2015

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Mrs_Wrinkles · July 2015

GRxKnight wrote: »

Yeah I'll admit that Havoc is composed of good players...but really toxic people.

After they win a fight, you can expect to be t-bagged endlessly and get a slew of hate tells from their members. After they lose a fight, message any one of them and say GGWP or good fight and they'll start making up a ton of excuses as to why they lost and call you trash.

*Que 'Why can't we be friends?' in the background*

I don't know dude but as far as myself I don't talk crap to anyone in this game. I do get the occasional hate tell from people, but even then I don't respond. I know a lot of my mates in Havoc especially the leaders are very nice people as well. A few of us tbag for fun or to simply troll. It's a game after all...

Cheers

Tripwyr · July 2015

Mrs_Wrinkles wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Yeah I'll admit that Havoc is composed of good players...but really toxic people.

After they win a fight, you can expect to be t-bagged endlessly and get a slew of hate tells from their members. After they lose a fight, message any one of them and say GGWP or good fight and they'll start making up a ton of excuses as to why they lost and call you trash.

*Que 'Why can't we be friends?' in the background*

I don't know dude but as far as myself I don't talk crap to anyone in this game. I do get the occasional hate tell from people, but even then I don't respond. I know a lot of my mates in Havoc especially the leaders are very nice people as well. A few of us tbag for fun or to simply troll. It's a game after all...

Cheers

Heh, they actually have you believing that? You're so precious.

GRxKnight · July 2015

Mrs_Wrinkles wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Yeah I'll admit that Havoc is composed of good players...but really toxic people.

After they win a fight, you can expect to be t-bagged endlessly and get a slew of hate tells from their members. After they lose a fight, message any one of them and say GGWP or good fight and they'll start making up a ton of excuses as to why they lost and call you trash.

*Que 'Why can't we be friends?' in the background*

I don't know dude but as far as myself I don't talk crap to anyone in this game. I do get the occasional hate tell from people, but even then I don't respond. I know a lot of my mates in Havoc especially the leaders are very nice people as well. A few of us tbag for fun or to simply troll. It's a game after all...

Cheers

I'd be happy to tell you in /tells which members are the toxic ones here. Like you said the majority of Havoc are decent human beings, and Hektik is just Hektik. But feel free to whisper me if you want to know who's been talking smack in tells.

Jules · July 2015

Mrs_Wrinkles wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Yeah I'll admit that Havoc is composed of good players...but really toxic people.

After they win a fight, you can expect to be t-bagged endlessly and get a slew of hate tells from their members. After they lose a fight, message any one of them and say GGWP or good fight and they'll start making up a ton of excuses as to why they lost and call you trash.

*Que 'Why can't we be friends?' in the background*

I don't know dude but as far as myself I don't talk crap to anyone in this game. I do get the occasional hate tell from people, but even then I don't respond. I know a lot of my mates in Havoc especially the leaders are very nice people as well. A few of us tbag for fun or to simply troll. It's a game after all...

Cheers

I can only speak from my personal experience. But Wrinkles is cool af, as are the rest of havoc members I've interacted with.

I see people call each other all kinds of demeaning and presumptive labels all the time, and it's always very curious to me. Just because you've had a negative interaction with someone doesn't mean that they're an awful person. And it certainly doesn't mean an entire guilds is awful. Some people have bad days, bad tempers, bad social skills. But give each other some slack. We're all just people trying to have some fun and escape the responsibilities and mundanity of real life. Shake it off.

Ps, Tbags are just for funnies.

x2012ajipreub18_ESO · July 2015

I mean in the end the only people who win are the people who are successful in real life (Aka outside ESO). I would bet my life savings that every member of Havoc is 1) a virgin 2) minimum wage slave/in middle school and 3) Severe severe severe inferiority complexes that cause them to act out.

TBois · July 2015

x2012ajipreub18_ESO wrote: »

I mean in the end the only people who win are the people who are successful in real life (Aka outside ESO). I would bet my life savings that every member of Havoc is 1) a virgin 2) minimum wage slave/in middle school and 3) Severe severe severe inferiority complexes that cause them to act out.

Your post seems to highlight your on inferiority complex, just saying

Jules · July 2015

x2012ajipreub18_ESO wrote: »

I mean in the end the only people who win are the people who are successful in real life (Aka outside ESO). I would bet my life savings that every member of Havoc is 1) a virgin 2) minimum wage slave/in middle school and 3) Severe severe severe inferiority complexes that cause them to act out.

Ignorance.

GRxKnight · July 2015

x2012ajipreub18_ESO wrote: »

I mean in the end the only people who win are the people who are successful in real life (Aka outside ESO). I would bet my life savings that every member of Havoc is 1) a virgin 2) minimum wage slave/in middle school and 3) Severe severe severe inferiority complexes that cause them to act out.

Someone is salty