@ZOS please fix shields with next patch coming

ItsRejectz · July 2015

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Let's nerf shields untill they are completely useless.

Later on ZOS will wonder why sorcs have become totally useless. Oh wait, it's because you nerfed shields into oblivion.

Nothing will change, with damage being reduced 50% also, it means shields will take the exact amount of time to take down as they do now.

Dracane · July 2015

Folks.... damage in pvp is already reduced by 20%, damage shields by 15%

20%>50%= 30%
15%>50= 35%

So yes, damage shields are 5% worse. Which is quite much

k2blader · July 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Folks.... damage in pvp is already reduced by 20%, damage shields by 15%

20%>50%= 30%
15%>50= 35%

So yes, damage shields are 5% worse. Which is quite much

Forgive me but what are ya talkin' 'bout. I don't care so much about what %s are currently. What matters is how they are changing from current in the next major update. What I've read so far is 50%.

Septimus_Magna · July 2015

Any nerf to shield stacking on top of the BE nerf would make sorcs unviable for pvp in update 7.

Yes, shields protect the caster from dots but you forgot to mention that shields have 0 mitigation. If you apply dots on shields they should have some form of mitigation. Either derrived from the max magicka or the armor/spell resist of the caster. Either way such a change would greatly benefit DKs because they have 8 diffent dots, along with reflective scales, the perfect counter to sorcs cfrags.

Shield stacking isnt as easy as you might think, if you get CCed without the full shield up you're done if you dont break-free and recast it within 1-2 seconds. Besides that you need to keep track of the attacks that hit you because there is not separation between magical and physical shields in the UI. Sometimes you think you have a shield up but the 20k snipe ignores the harness magicka shield completly.

Also, unlike other classes sorcs dont have any self-heal or way to mitigate damage. With 8-9k shields sorcs will get melted by anyone with a decent burst. Even my 14k hardened ward is gone with 2x ambush, so what other way is there for sorcs to mitigate damage? The resist from lightning form and bound armor are a joke, it comes down to 2% damage reduction or something.

Dracane · July 2015

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Folks.... damage in pvp is already reduced by 20%, damage shields by 15%

20%>50%= 30%
15%>50= 35%

So yes, damage shields are 5% worse. Which is quite much

Forgive me but what are ya talkin' 'bout. I don't care so much about what %s are currently. What matters is how they are changing from current in the next major update. What I've read so far is 50%.

Pointless.... just read again what I wrote.

Dracane · July 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Any nerf to shield stacking on top of the BE nerf would make sorcs unviable for pvp in update 7.

Yes, shields protect the caster from dots but you forgot to mention that shields have 0 mitigation. If you apply dots on shields they should have some form of mitigation. Either derrived from the max magicka or the armor/spell resist of the caster. Either way such a change would greatly benefit DKs because they have 8 diffent dots, along with reflective scales, the perfect counter to sorcs cfrags.

Shield stacking isnt as easy as you might think, if you get CCed without the full shield up you're done if you dont break-free and recast it within 1-2 seconds. Besides that you need to keep track of the attacks that hit you because there is not separation between magical and physical shields in the UI. Sometimes you think you have a shield up but the 20k snipe ignores the harness magicka shield completly.

Also, unlike other classes sorcs dont have any self-heal or way to mitigate damage. With 8-9k shields sorcs will get melted by anyone with a decent burst. Even my 14k hardened ward is gone with 2x ambush, so what other way is there for sorcs to mitigate damage? The resist from lightning form and bound armor are a joke, it comes down to 2% damage reduction or something.

Yea I totally agree. It's really really easy to deal with Shield stacking Sorcs. You only need to time it. 1 cc is usually enough to finish them. Also, even the best Sorcerer WILL forget to stack shields, when you give him the opportunity to go full offense.

They WILL forget their shields and then bam. So a good way is to pretend to be defensive and let them feel like they could burst you down (which they can't) and then it only takes 1 cc and 1 hit and it's over. I know, that most Sorcs are specced for sustain instead of damage. So Sorc damage is easy to manage. But that's another topic...

Shields actually deserve a buff in my opinon

haha. But let's wait for the patchnotes. There is enough time to make QQ threads when PTS starts

k2blader · July 2015

Dracane wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Folks.... damage in pvp is already reduced by 20%, damage shields by 15%

20%>50%= 30%
15%>50= 35%

So yes, damage shields are 5% worse. Which is quite much

Forgive me but what are ya talkin' 'bout. I don't care so much about what %s are currently. What matters is how they are changing from current in the next major update. What I've read so far is 50%.

Pointless.... just read again what I wrote.

Nah, I'll just go with the 50% I read unless I see some Zeni quotage somewhere.

Dracane · July 2015

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Folks.... damage in pvp is already reduced by 20%, damage shields by 15%

20%>50%= 30%
15%>50= 35%

So yes, damage shields are 5% worse. Which is quite much

Forgive me but what are ya talkin' 'bout. I don't care so much about what %s are currently. What matters is how they are changing from current in the next major update. What I've read so far is 50%.

Pointless.... just read again what I wrote.

Nah, I'll just go with the 50% I read unless I see some Zeni quotage somewhere.

Honey, The total Pvp Buff will be 50% less damage, 50% less healing and 50% weaker damage shields.
At the moment, it's 20% less damage, (Don't know how much less healing) and 15% weaker damage shields.

They will simply increase them to 50%, not add another 50% to it. it's so simple...

Ryuho · July 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Any nerf to shield stacking on top of the BE nerf would make sorcs unviable for pvp in update 7.

Yes, shields protect the caster from dots but you forgot to mention that shields have 0 mitigation. If you apply dots on shields they should have some form of mitigation. Either derrived from the max magicka or the armor/spell resist of the caster. Either way such a change would greatly benefit DKs because they have 8 diffent dots, along with reflective scales, the perfect counter to sorcs cfrags.

Shield stacking isnt as easy as you might think, if you get CCed without the full shield up you're done if you dont break-free and recast it within 1-2 seconds. Besides that you need to keep track of the attacks that hit you because there is not separation between magical and physical shields in the UI. Sometimes you think you have a shield up but the 20k snipe ignores the harness magicka shield completly.

Also, unlike other classes sorcs dont have any self-heal or way to mitigate damage. With 8-9k shields sorcs will get melted by anyone with a decent burst. Even my 14k hardened ward is gone with 2x ambush, so what other way is there for sorcs to mitigate damage? The resist from lightning form and bound armor are a joke, it comes down to 2% damage reduction or something.

Sorry but 100% protection from dots is kinda broken.. Dots should slowly reduce remaining shield amount.. Lets say u have 14k shield.. U are geting hit by 3k destro reach ur shield is 11k now .. And where's the dot effect?? Nowhere cause I am shielded like a god.. Should be 11k and further reduce from dot effect which will be lets say 700 - 1k dmg per 1s for 5s like in skill description.. Any shield prevents dot builds to be effective which is ...

@Septimus_Magna And now please tell me why entropy works kinda diffrent than other dotlike skills? Entropy slowly reduce shield amount like dot supposed to work on shields imo, so why other dots dont work like it? I don't get it seriously..

And please stop crying fellow sorcerers, this topic is about shields not about omg I am sorcerer stop nerfing my shield.. Sorc shield next patch will be strong as it is now..

But dot issue, or not leting certain skills to stun/knock trough shield is really broken..

smacx250 · July 2015

The battle spirit buff says that it decreases "damage taken". Is that a form of mitigation, like armor? I guess I'm asking as it seems that the going opinion is that it reduces damage before being applied to a damage shield, but it isn't clear to me one way or the other (the "other" being reduction only of damage to health).

Master_Kas · July 2015

Buff sorcs, buff shieldstacking and buff bolt escape , only thing these forumsorcs ever would agree with

Dracane · July 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Buff sorcs, buff shieldstacking and buff bolt escape:

Kas 4 President

Wait what ?

Master_Kas wrote: »

only thing these forumsorcs ever would agree with

Permaban from the forums ! Slay the troll ZoS !

R0M2K · July 2015

Pum

Mayrael · July 2015

How about to make dots not stacking then? Hmm? If im not wrong, on last ESO live Eric Wrobel said that shield stacking is WAI mechanic and stays where it is, deal with it. If it goes for some soft CCs not going through shields. Should be fixed. DoTs? If we think about it, how do you want to set on flames some energy field? Or poison it? Use some heavy attacks pls... Bow heavy attack without critical can hit like 9-10k. Is it really so hard to combine it with skill rotation?

Oh and ive forgot... The most funny part of this thread is that few minutes ago in topic about cloak cost increase ive seen NBs screaming "no more nerfs!", but here its ok to call for nerfs?

Nallenil · July 2015

Then bye bye bolt spam. It's kill or be killed for Sorcerers now. With less shield... Hahaha :-))

BuggeX · July 2015

Simplay Fix, there should be a Skill in Ally Tree wich purge down all Buffs from the target.

Problem solved.

Both Purges (in matter they will think on adding it) should make a debuff for 3-5 secs in wich you cant get purged a other time.

* If i purge my Grp from the fire Ballista, all get a debuff for X Secs and cant get purged a other time.
* If i purge a enemy he get a buff and cant get purged a other time for X secs

Septimus_Magna · July 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Any nerf to shield stacking on top of the BE nerf would make sorcs unviable for pvp in update 7.

Yes, shields protect the caster from dots but you forgot to mention that shields have 0 mitigation. If you apply dots on shields they should have some form of mitigation. Either derrived from the max magicka or the armor/spell resist of the caster. Either way such a change would greatly benefit DKs because they have 8 diffent dots, along with reflective scales, the perfect counter to sorcs cfrags.

Shield stacking isnt as easy as you might think, if you get CCed without the full shield up you're done if you dont break-free and recast it within 1-2 seconds. Besides that you need to keep track of the attacks that hit you because there is not separation between magical and physical shields in the UI. Sometimes you think you have a shield up but the 20k snipe ignores the harness magicka shield completly.

Also, unlike other classes sorcs dont have any self-heal or way to mitigate damage. With 8-9k shields sorcs will get melted by anyone with a decent burst. Even my 14k hardened ward is gone with 2x ambush, so what other way is there for sorcs to mitigate damage? The resist from lightning form and bound armor are a joke, it comes down to 2% damage reduction or something.

Yea I totally agree. It's really really easy to deal with Shield stacking Sorcs. You only need to time it. 1 cc is usually enough to finish them. Also, even the best Sorcerer WILL forget to stack shields, when you give him the opportunity to go full offense.

They WILL forget their shields and then bam. So a good way is to pretend to be defensive and let them feel like they could burst you down (which they can't) and then it only takes 1 cc and 1 hit and it's over. I know, that most Sorcs are specced for sustain instead of damage. So Sorc damage is easy to manage. But that's another topic...

Shields actually deserve a buff in my opinon haha. But let's wait for the patchnotes. There is enough time to make QQ threads when PTS starts

Thats why I play with hardened ward on my offensive bar, most sorcs have all shields on their defensive bar.

I specced for total spell damage on my small scale build, 3.1k spell damage is quite fun to play with but very hard to sustain. For group play I have a more balanced build, a full magicka regen build is very boring imo.

Ryuho · July 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Simplay Fix, there should be a Skill in Ally Tree wich purge down all Buffs from the target.

Problem solved.

Both Purges (in matter they will think on adding it) should make a debuff for 3-5 secs in wich you cant get purged a other time.

* If i purge my Grp from the fire Ballista, all get a debuff for X Secs and cant get purged a other time.
* If i purge a enemy he get a buff and cant get purged a other time for X secs

Great idea @BuggeX

R0M2K · July 2015

I want to stack dodge chance, like 60%.

I want to regenerate stamina when running or moving shealthed.

Merlight · July 2015

Ryuho wrote: »

@Dracane I dont want to make dots go trough shields, but slowly drain them like entropy, imo its supposed to be like that, now u use dotlike skill and dots arent applied only initial dmg which are like 3k - worth to use 3k dmg skill like destro reach on dampened guy?? tell me?? u hit him with 3k destro reach and his shield is 9k, should slowly be drained by dot effect from destro reach, but ofc dot effect isnt applied... isn't that kinda broken?

IMO it kinda makes sense. Entropy is a ticking spell, it hits several times. DoT from destro staff, on the other hand, is a debuff. So the question is: should magical shields be flammable?

Dracane · July 2015

Merlight wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

@Dracane I dont want to make dots go trough shields, but slowly drain them like entropy, imo its supposed to be like that, now u use dotlike skill and dots arent applied only initial dmg which are like 3k - worth to use 3k dmg skill like destro reach on dampened guy?? tell me?? u hit him with 3k destro reach and his shield is 9k, should slowly be drained by dot effect from destro reach, but ofc dot effect isnt applied... isn't that kinda broken?

IMO it kinda makes sense. Entropy is a ticking spell, it hits several times. DoT from destro staff, on the other hand, is a debuff. So the question is: should magical shields be flammable?

No, they shouldn't. You can't burn an energy field in my opinion. Shields would be waaaay to weak if DoTs would apply to them.

The only thing I would like to see, is elemental drain procing on shields. Then I would take it.

vichoi · July 2015

Here is the reason they cannot stop shield stacking:

All classes can use healing ward, and sorc use hardern ward, Templar and DK use healing, NB use cloak, that's how the game works now. ( on top of that sorc have BE, NB can roll, DK Templar can reflect)

If you don't allow sorc use hardern ward and healing ward together, then they have to make Templar and DK cannot heal when they have healing ward up, also NB cannot cloak with healing wards up to be fair, or you just take away one of sorc's survival skill.

If you can't out damage sorc's ward, that's the same as you can't out damage templar's healing.
Sorc's weakness on their stamina bar, empty it and you can kill them easily. In PVP you need to learn each build's weakness to win the fight.

enjoy the game

Mayrael · July 2015

vichoi wrote: »

Here is the reason they cannot stop shield stacking:

All classes can use healing ward, and sorc use hardern ward, Templar and DK use healing, NB use cloak, that's how the game works now. ( on top of that sorc have BE, NB can roll, DK Templar can reflect)

If you don't allow sorc use hardern ward and healing ward together, then they have to make Templar and DK cannot heal when they have healing ward up, also NB cannot cloak with healing wards up to be fair, or you just take away one of sorc's survival skill.

If you can't out damage sorc's ward, that's the same as you can't out damage templar's healing.
Sorc's weakness on their stamina bar, empty it and you can kill them easily. In PVP you need to learn each build's weakness to win the fight.

enjoy the game

Reckt!

R0M2K · July 2015

Lol, makes perfect sense to throw ligthings from the tip of a wood staff, but to have a shield burn or bleed or poisoned doesnt? Its MAGIC, logic does not belong in here.

Better if you just plain said: "i dont want my re-casteable-3-shyny-layer-shields-of-OPness to take damage".

Ha

Haha

SC0TY999 · July 2015

Dracane wrote: »

I think, shields are actually pretty fine and shield stacking is necessary, or it would be useless. Stacking Harness Magicka+ Class shield is perfectly valid. But healing ward on top is too much.

But nerfing healing ward, would make it weaker for those who use it for what it's supposed to be used and this would be sad. But they've announced a damage shield bonus damage set. So maybe you folks want to wait for it and see how it works. I'm sure, everyone will be using it.

I don't think the mechanic of Healing Ward was aimed at being a self heal, from the tooltip description that is.

http://www.esohead.com/skills/40126-healing-ward

It states the ally with the lowest health!

I know whenever I needed the ward (when running with a group) I never got it, when casting!

SC0TY999 · July 2015

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Let's nerf shields untill they are completely useless.

Later on ZOS will wonder why sorcs have become totally useless. Oh wait, it's because you nerfed shields into oblivion.

A bit like DK's and Templars then LOL

k2blader · July 2015

SC0TY999 wrote: »

I don't think the mechanic of Healing Ward was aimed at being a self heal, from the tooltip description that is.

http://www.esohead.com/skills/40126-healing-ward

It states the ally with the lowest health!

I know whenever I needed the ward (when running with a group) I never got it, when casting!

Good point. I think people forget that or maybe are ignorant of it if they don't use that morph.

People also don't seem to understand many/most PvP sorcs run a resto staff only for healing ward-- to dedicate one of two available weapon slots for that is no small sacrifice, especially when as mentioned before the heals fall on nearby people half the time, not on the sorc.

So sorcs using healing ward doesn't even come close to being a problem.

IWannaBeATiger · July 2015

@Mayrael I don't play much pvp but isn't cloak kinda useless except to run away? If I use any DoT abilities my cloak doesn't work unless I wait till the DoT is done. Only VR4 but the only time I use it is when I want to avoid a fight in a delve or public dungeon.

Jahosefat · July 2015

How about they gut one sorc meta at a time, mkay?

Ryuho · July 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS please enlight us why entropy works on shields - drains shield value slowly with its overtime effect - and other dots don't work like that?? Was that intended?