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✭✭NPK Daniel wrote: »We've been studying y'all and picking up some awesome exploits on the way :-)
I love the "everyone rush the tower but healers touch the outside walls and heal through the walls tactic"; we've been using it since i caught you guys doing it.
Your team has an amazing understanding of the game's mechanics and take advantage of anything possible. Which is fair in war.
It's not naming and shaming when the guy is just being quoted as admitting to exploiting is it?
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Does that imply that you're going to find 10 people and show us something we haven't seen? I'm sure you know who to get a hold of to organize it. We'll continue to wait.NPK Daniel wrote: »We've been studying y'all and picking up some awesome exploits on the way :-)
I love the "everyone rush the tower but healers touch the outside walls and heal through the walls tactic"; we've been using it since i caught you guys doing it.
Your team has an amazing understanding of the game's mechanics and take advantage of anything possible. Which is fair in war.
I don't think anyone who's played this game for any decent amount of time would consider that an exploit. Well, excluding you. You claim to have "respect" for us, yet you're constantly suggesting or subtly accusing us of "exploiting" or "something fishy." Honestly, sounds like an L2P issue to me.
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Phoenix99✭✭✭This game needs cooldowns - BADLY, otherwise as someone said, it will always be spam of same abilities that give most bang for the buck.0 -
JDar✭✭✭✭✭NPK Daniel wrote: »I'm just admiring their creativity. No naming or shaming intended. lol
Pardon me then. Hard to tell if you're joking or not about using dirty tricks because Azura's lag has reached a new high (or low) in the last two weeks.Edited by JDar on July 8, 2015 12:15AM1 -
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its only really good against many people blobbed up since you have to cast it outside of the fight and can't spam it.
First it was bats, then it was oil, then impulse, then wall of elements, ad infinitum. The Q_Q train never stops. You would prefer a recap full of Steel Tornado? That's what I get whenever we fight any other organized group, yet you don't hear me complaining. The fact is that people who min/max will always use the ability that offers the most bang for the buck. If you don't like it maybe PvP, or MMORPGs in general, aren't the place for you. If there were multiple skills that did the exact same damage, or offered other benefits that outweighed the dps loss, they would be used. Unfortunately, there are not many options.Rook_Master wrote: »So everyone is excited about the new meta?
Because honestly this has a lot to do with why PvP is dying.
In response to the other images, even stupid squirrels get acorns.
If you see lots of Steel Tornados, safe to say that they probably all using double sharpened maces too :P
Will always be a meta, I think this one aggravates some more than others in the past because Detonation was supposed to be a "zerg" buster but now the "zergs" use it to wipe out everyone else.
Of course large trains can use it too, but its a viable tactic for smaller groups to zergbust those big groups so that part is working well.
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Does that imply that you're going to find 10 people and show us something we haven't seen? I'm sure you know who to get a hold of to organize it. We'll continue to wait.
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are you saying that 100% that havoc has never lost a 10v10 in their entire existence.....?Edited by aco5712 on July 8, 2015 3:13AMBanned for Naming and Shaming exploiters. Great ideology ZOS.
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They dodge all of the actually good groups, so yeah they probably haven't. They're referring to organized 10v10, not organic fights.Alacrity Founder | Forum Emperor
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They dodge all of the actually good groups, so yeah they probably haven't. They're referring to organized 10v10, not organic fights.
dont worry our 10vdeci clips we have will maybe be in the next videoEdited by Davenaro on July 8, 2015 7:40AMDavnaro
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They dodge all of the actually good groups, so yeah they probably haven't. They're referring to organized 10v10, not organic fights.
dont worry our 10vdeci clips we have will maybe be in the next video
Did you guys get footage from that night at Nikel (Friday / Saturday 27th?) when it was Short Bus, Deci, Havoc? That was a really fun night.
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Earendal✭✭✭✭Did you guys get footage from that night at Nikel (Friday / Saturday 27th?) when it was Short Bus, Deci, Havoc? That was a really fun night.
If I recall correctly we spent a lot of time moving around over the course of those fights waiting for the right moment to attack. My guess is that someone has them recorded. It would definitely showcase the amount of organization and strategy involved in "zerging." I also seem to remember doing a dolmen to lure out a stealth bomb.Earendal - AD Templar
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Sile✭✭✭Did you guys get footage from that night at Nikel (Friday / Saturday 27th?) when it was Short Bus, Deci, Havoc? That was a really fun night.
If I recall correctly we spent a lot of time moving around over the course of those fights waiting for the right moment to attack. My guess is that someone has them recorded. It would definitely showcase the amount of organization and strategy involved in "zerging." I also seem to remember doing a dolmen to lure out a stealth bomb.
Yeah there was a lot of positioning going on that night from everyone.
I know we got a few sneaky crashes off only to re-position and leverage a new facing.
I think both Havoc and Shortbus had ~12 in each group?Gondor
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Earendal✭✭✭✭They dodge all of the actually good groups, so yeah they probably haven't. They're referring to organized 10v10, not organic fights.
You really think we're "dodging" you? Get real. How about you put your money where your mouth is and find ten. Or have you already managed to alienate every single person who would play with you in this game?
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Mako1132✭✭✭✭✭NPK Daniel wrote: »We've been studying y'all and picking up some awesome exploits on the way :-)
I love the "everyone rush the tower but healers touch the outside walls and heal through the walls tactic"; we've been using it since i caught you guys doing it.
Your team has an amazing understanding of the game's mechanics and take advantage of anything possible. Which is fair in war.
Children, that.... that isn't an exploit.... thats game mechanics....
Over a year since release and you/your guild is just learning this now? Yup, you guys are terrific players.Edited by Mako1132 on July 8, 2015 1:38PM5 -
CN_Daniel✭✭✭✭Game mechanics did allow porting through walls too; but we're not calling than an exploit either right?1
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reften✭✭✭✭✭I have no complaint against a team that use the most effective attack together.
I real problem with pvp is TS users vs. non-TS users. Again, I don't blame anyone for using TS, I'm in a guild and we use it all the time, just saying that it puts non-TS players at a huge disadvantage.
Edited by reften on July 8, 2015 2:47PMReften
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Observant✭✭✭✭So much smack talk, I love it!NPK Daniel wrote: »Game mechanics did allow porting through walls too; but we're not calling than an exploit either right?
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its only really good against many people blobbed up since you have to cast it outside of the fight and can't spam it.
First it was bats, then it was oil, then impulse, then wall of elements, ad infinitum. The Q_Q train never stops. You would prefer a recap full of Steel Tornado? That's what I get whenever we fight any other organized group, yet you don't hear me complaining. The fact is that people who min/max will always use the ability that offers the most bang for the buck. If you don't like it maybe PvP, or MMORPGs in general, aren't the place for you. If there were multiple skills that did the exact same damage, or offered other benefits that outweighed the dps loss, they would be used. Unfortunately, there are not many options.Rook_Master wrote: »So everyone is excited about the new meta?
Because honestly this has a lot to do with why PvP is dying.
In response to the other images, even stupid squirrels get acorns.
If you see lots of Steel Tornados, safe to say that they probably all using double sharpened maces too :P
Will always be a meta, I think this one aggravates some more than others in the past because Detonation was supposed to be a "zerg" buster but now the "zergs" use it to wipe out everyone else.
Of course large trains can use it too, but its a viable tactic for smaller groups to zergbust those big groups so that part is working well.
Agreed. Though you can just quickly reposition yourself and animation cancel it and get right back in the fight within a few seconds.
It's more along the lines of the low TTK, and the huge burst that proxy has because you can cast while it's on you. I think maybe a mechanic to balance it would be that you can't use any abilities while the bomb is on you. We will see how the new proposed changes affect things.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
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Earendal✭✭✭✭NPK Daniel wrote: »Game mechanics did allow porting through walls too; but we're not calling than an exploit either right?
That was most definitely an exploit, hence the patch to fix it. It was also something you never "caught" Havoc doing, because we never did.
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Well the point of an zergbuster ability is that it has high burst, isn't it?
its only really good against many people blobbed up since you have to cast it outside of the fight and can't spam it.
First it was bats, then it was oil, then impulse, then wall of elements, ad infinitum. The Q_Q train never stops. You would prefer a recap full of Steel Tornado? That's what I get whenever we fight any other organized group, yet you don't hear me complaining. The fact is that people who min/max will always use the ability that offers the most bang for the buck. If you don't like it maybe PvP, or MMORPGs in general, aren't the place for you. If there were multiple skills that did the exact same damage, or offered other benefits that outweighed the dps loss, they would be used. Unfortunately, there are not many options.Rook_Master wrote: »So everyone is excited about the new meta?
Because honestly this has a lot to do with why PvP is dying.
In response to the other images, even stupid squirrels get acorns.
If you see lots of Steel Tornados, safe to say that they probably all using double sharpened maces too :P
Will always be a meta, I think this one aggravates some more than others in the past because Detonation was supposed to be a "zerg" buster but now the "zergs" use it to wipe out everyone else.
Of course large trains can use it too, but its a viable tactic for smaller groups to zergbust those big groups so that part is working well.
Agreed. Though you can just quickly reposition yourself and animation cancel it and get right back in the fight within a few seconds.
It's more along the lines of the low TTK, and the huge burst that proxy has because you can cast while it's on you. I think maybe a mechanic to balance it would be that you can't use any abilities while the bomb is on you. We will see how the new proposed changes affect things.
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Well the point of an zergbuster ability is that it has high burst, isn't it?
its only really good against many people blobbed up since you have to cast it outside of the fight and can't spam it.
First it was bats, then it was oil, then impulse, then wall of elements, ad infinitum. The Q_Q train never stops. You would prefer a recap full of Steel Tornado? That's what I get whenever we fight any other organized group, yet you don't hear me complaining. The fact is that people who min/max will always use the ability that offers the most bang for the buck. If you don't like it maybe PvP, or MMORPGs in general, aren't the place for you. If there were multiple skills that did the exact same damage, or offered other benefits that outweighed the dps loss, they would be used. Unfortunately, there are not many options.Rook_Master wrote: »So everyone is excited about the new meta?
Because honestly this has a lot to do with why PvP is dying.
In response to the other images, even stupid squirrels get acorns.
If you see lots of Steel Tornados, safe to say that they probably all using double sharpened maces too :P
Will always be a meta, I think this one aggravates some more than others in the past because Detonation was supposed to be a "zerg" buster but now the "zergs" use it to wipe out everyone else.
Of course large trains can use it too, but its a viable tactic for smaller groups to zergbust those big groups so that part is working well.
Agreed. Though you can just quickly reposition yourself and animation cancel it and get right back in the fight within a few seconds.
It's more along the lines of the low TTK, and the huge burst that proxy has because you can cast while it's on you. I think maybe a mechanic to balance it would be that you can't use any abilities while the bomb is on you. We will see how the new proposed changes affect things.
Nope, it's to bust up zergs.
They did Prox Det all wrong, it should be scaling with the amount of people hit.Vehemence2 -
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Well the point of an zergbuster ability is that it has high burst, isn't it?
its only really good against many people blobbed up since you have to cast it outside of the fight and can't spam it.
First it was bats, then it was oil, then impulse, then wall of elements, ad infinitum. The Q_Q train never stops. You would prefer a recap full of Steel Tornado? That's what I get whenever we fight any other organized group, yet you don't hear me complaining. The fact is that people who min/max will always use the ability that offers the most bang for the buck. If you don't like it maybe PvP, or MMORPGs in general, aren't the place for you. If there were multiple skills that did the exact same damage, or offered other benefits that outweighed the dps loss, they would be used. Unfortunately, there are not many options.Rook_Master wrote: »So everyone is excited about the new meta?
Because honestly this has a lot to do with why PvP is dying.
In response to the other images, even stupid squirrels get acorns.
If you see lots of Steel Tornados, safe to say that they probably all using double sharpened maces too :P
Will always be a meta, I think this one aggravates some more than others in the past because Detonation was supposed to be a "zerg" buster but now the "zergs" use it to wipe out everyone else.
Of course large trains can use it too, but its a viable tactic for smaller groups to zergbust those big groups so that part is working well.
Agreed. Though you can just quickly reposition yourself and animation cancel it and get right back in the fight within a few seconds.
It's more along the lines of the low TTK, and the huge burst that proxy has because you can cast while it's on you. I think maybe a mechanic to balance it would be that you can't use any abilities while the bomb is on you. We will see how the new proposed changes affect things.
Nope, it's to bust up zergs.
They did Prox Det all wrong, it should be scaling with the amount of people hit.
This^
Or do something like I've said where you are unable to cast during the duration of it or make some other change to it. Make it so that it will be used as designed, to break up zergs. Not so that zergs can use it to stomp everyone and everything.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
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Mako1132✭✭✭✭✭NPK Daniel wrote: »Game mechanics did allow porting through walls too; but we're not calling than an exploit either right?
No, that wasn't game mechanics that was an unintended bug that allowed players to exploit it. Some spells going through walls is intended.
I swear this game people have the most dysfunctional definition of exploits I have ever seen.... and then everyone starts claiming everyone is exploiting except them because they are using the design of the game.... baffles my *** mind.Edited by Mako1132 on July 8, 2015 3:54PM2 -
CN_Daniel✭✭✭✭NPK Daniel wrote: »Game mechanics did allow porting through walls too; but we're not calling than an exploit either right?
That was most definitely an exploit, hence the patch to fix it. It was also something you never "caught" Havoc doing, because we never did.
Not accusing you of it, just trying to point out that healing through a wall not being consider an exploit is like saying porting through walls wasn't...1 -
Earendal✭✭✭✭NPK Daniel wrote: »NPK Daniel wrote: »Game mechanics did allow porting through walls too; but we're not calling than an exploit either right?
That was most definitely an exploit, hence the patch to fix it. It was also something you never "caught" Havoc doing, because we never did.
Not accusing you of it, just trying to point out that healing through a wall not being consider an exploit is like saying porting through walls wasn't...
Except it's not.
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭Yeah I've yet to see anything that says caltrops/healing going through walls is a bug, so as far as we're concerned its WAI. Can't exploit something that is WAI...Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
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Observant✭✭✭✭Yeah I've yet to see anything that says caltrops/healing going through walls is a bug, so as far as we're concerned its WAI. Can't exploit something that is WAI...
That's because there's not enough QQ threads about it.
Clearly caltrops isn't supposed to go through walls.
... heals going through is pretty wonky too.
But as a former healer, I'm not complainin'Vehemence0
