Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

But whatever. People like you trying to get other classes nerfed to hide their own OPness. Didn't work and sorcs got hit with the nerfhammer. And it will keep happening to anything that is OP. I'm done

Funny you changed your sig calling for sorc nerfs right before making this comment ya hypocrite. Sorc only getting the nerf hammer because Eric Wrobel doesn't understand this game at all. It was honestly painful watching him give explanations about the changes they are making and why they are making them.

I changed it before I saw your comment hypocrite why ? You even know what the word means?
Learn to read peoples posts before commenting. Again where did I say cloak is useless?
I said some skills can Make it useless, which is a fact. And I still think shieldspamming should have some regen/cost penalty just like dodgeroll and block got. That I still stand for.

You're way to aggressive, and clearly not reading my posts so dont expect any reply

Edit: People who know me and have talked to me know I was not defending the OPness of nightblades. Always said stamblades AND shieldspamming sorcerers needs toning down. But then again, you probably will only read "nerf sorcs" of everything I wrote dont know why I bother.

You accusing me of trying to get other classes nerfed to hide my own classes OPness while you had a #nerfshieldstacking line in your sig and you are a NB is the definition of a hypocrite. Not sure why you are questioning my knowledge of the word hypocrite. So aggressive, call the forum police.

Isbilen wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You all forgetting something. No penalty on shieldstacking:

That makes me think that magicka sorc will be the strongest, probably magicka nightblade also.
Keep in mind hardened ward costs less than cloak

People go on and on about shield stacking but Sorc only has ONE shield. What does a 20k HP dragonknight Igneous Shield figure out to? Because my 28k magicka Hardened Ward is about 10k worth of shielding in Cyrodiil.

At 58K health Igneous Shield comes out at 12K...

Uhm, no?
Without any points in Bastion, Igenoes gives a shield for ~31% of the caster's max HP for the caster and half of that on allies.
So it would be 18k at least.

ToRelax wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

I think people are voting for themselves hoping the best with a little bit trolling inside. Like I did myself. Might be those pesky NBs too tho not sure

But in any case NBs are gonna be most op again, that's for sure...and obvious.

So you mean all those NB votes - except my own obviously - are real NBs?
Well it would at least match my most recent experiences in Cyrodiil.

Well if they do so, I give my respect to them.
But for those who still vote for dk or templar as a nb, they shall be doomed.

Erock25 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

But whatever. People like you trying to get other classes nerfed to hide their own OPness. Didn't work and sorcs got hit with the nerfhammer. And it will keep happening to anything that is OP. I'm done

Funny you changed your sig calling for sorc nerfs right before making this comment ya hypocrite. Sorc only getting the nerf hammer because Eric Wrobel doesn't understand this game at all. It was honestly painful watching him give explanations about the changes they are making and why they are making them.

I changed it before I saw your comment hypocrite why ? You even know what the word means?
Learn to read peoples posts before commenting. Again where did I say cloak is useless?
I said some skills can Make it useless, which is a fact. And I still think shieldspamming should have some regen/cost penalty just like dodgeroll and block got. That I still stand for.

You're way to aggressive, and clearly not reading my posts so dont expect any reply

Edit: People who know me and have talked to me know I was not defending the OPness of nightblades. Always said stamblades AND shieldspamming sorcerers needs toning down. But then again, you probably will only read "nerf sorcs" of everything I wrote dont know why I bother.

You accusing me of trying to get other classes nerfed to hide my own classes OPness while you had a #nerfshieldstacking line in your sig and you are a NB is the definition of a hypocrite. Not sure why you are questioning my knowledge of the word hypocrite. So aggressive, call the forum police.

Where did I deny NB OPness? just Said that cloak can be made useless by its counters.
So no im not a hypocrite. Try again -.-

Also just because Nb is strong now I cannot say anything about Any other strong skill/class ?
I never said nb is weak . I'm not defending current stamblades, said they needed toning down. Just like sorcs do. Also said I think manablades will be on top also.

You are clearly a salty sorc who ignores stuff I write. There is a reason why sorc vids increased in youtube/forums after 1.6 (as did nb vids). Go cry that "shieldstack wont help you vs 2-3 competent players" as you wrote. Since 1 lone sorc should be able to shieldstack multiple skilled players. That's your view of pvp balance , and says it all really.

Edit: to anyone who might Read this (except erock since he clearly doesnt) : sorry for bad grammar/spelling. Very tired because no sleep .

Soris wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

I think people are voting for themselves hoping the best with a little bit trolling inside. Like I did myself. Might be those pesky NBs too tho not sure

But in any case NBs are gonna be most op again, that's for sure...and obvious.

So you mean all those NB votes - except my own obviously - are real NBs?
Well it would at least match my most recent experiences in Cyrodiil.

Well if they do so, I give my respect to them.
But for those who still vote for dk or templar as a nb, they shall be doomed.

i voted nightblade and im a nightblade! i want your respect

Iyas wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

I think people are voting for themselves hoping the best with a little bit trolling inside. Like I did myself. Might be those pesky NBs too tho not sure

But in any case NBs are gonna be most op again, that's for sure...and obvious.

So you mean all those NB votes - except my own obviously - are real NBs?
Well it would at least match my most recent experiences in Cyrodiil.

Well if they do so, I give my respect to them.
But for those who still vote for dk or templar as a nb, they shall be doomed.

i voted nightblade and im a nightblade! i want your respect

aye

you have had it long ago anyways

Iyas wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

I think people are voting for themselves hoping the best with a little bit trolling inside. Like I did myself. Might be those pesky NBs too tho not sure

But in any case NBs are gonna be most op again, that's for sure...and obvious.

So you mean all those NB votes - except my own obviously - are real NBs?
Well it would at least match my most recent experiences in Cyrodiil.

Well if they do so, I give my respect to them.
But for those who still vote for dk or templar as a nb, they shall be doomed.

i voted nightblade and im a nightblade! i want your respect

What about me?

Magicka nightblade is going to be Alpha in every conceivable fashion. Even a mediocre player with a moderately decent spec is going to rip apart almost anything and be virtually unkillable. A good player is going to be living death.

Absolutely stupid short sighted decision making to nerf most defensive abilities (shields, bolt, block, roll, nirn) at the same time they buff the only other escape (cloak), as well as a hard counter to it (detection).

ive seen a lot of really idiotic balance moves in my day, but this is by far the most glaring oversight, intentional or not, to date.

Rylana wrote: »

Magicka nightblade is going to be Alpha in every conceivable fashion. Even a mediocre player with a moderately decent spec is going to rip apart almost anything and be virtually unkillable. A good player is going to be living death.

Absolutely stupid short sighted decision making to nerf most defensive abilities (shields, bolt, block, roll, nirn) at the same time they buff the only other escape (cloak), as well as a hard counter to it (detection).

ive seen a lot of really idiotic balance moves in my day, but this is by far the most glaring oversight, intentional or not, to date.

Wait for my infinity cloak and dodge Stamina Build.

90% of these votes are based off of ganking...

Has anyone considered that this is an Evil move to keep people re-rolling FOTM classes?

DK's had a long time in the spot light. How many people have DK alts?

Templars with OPJesus beam, I saw lots of people re-roll for that.

Sorcs have had (IMO) a slight edge on NB's recently, and now with the new patch you will see Nightblades everywhere.


It was just like after @sypherpk2ub17_ESO released a video with @Araxleon 's magicka Nightblade build where you would ambush and fear immediately. After that I saw so many NB'S and I was getting ambushed and feared all the time.

People will always go to what is effective and Zos has been changing that up a lot and its been an enticing carrot for many people for a long time.

Bashev wrote: »

reften wrote: »

90% of these votes are based off of ganking...

And you voted for DK because you couldn't kill it for 3 seconds with your gank build?

Nope, I voted DK because there will be a 50% damage reduction in Cyrodiil, and I've seen 1 DK hold off a dozen players for a solid minute.

Now with stam not regen'ing...they'll have to use stam pots to do this. Big deal.

A core group is made up of a few tanking DKs and healing Temps. Everyone else is easily replaceable. Lose those DKs and your group drops fast.

Check my signature, I rarely gank

reften wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

reften wrote: »

90% of these votes are based off of ganking...

And you voted for DK because you couldn't kill it for 3 seconds with your gank build?

Nope, I voted DK because there will be a 50% damage reduction in Cyrodiil, and I've seen 1 DK hold off a dozen players for a solid minute.

Now with stam not regen'ing...they'll have to use stam pots to do this. Big deal.

I'd say for a tank in heavy armour block costs on average 800-900, lets say those 12 people hit the DK once a second (even though its much more than this in reality) that means it'll cost that DK 9600-10800 stamina a second just to block that. Theres no way to come close to being able to pop stamina pots fast enough to make up for the regeneration lost.

Blocking is nothing like roll dodging, when you roll it costs what? 2k? But you dodge all incoming attacks for that short period of time, when I block, I have to pay for every little thing that hits me. One crushing shock, BOOM 2400 stamina gone.

People underestimate how bad the blocking nerf is. I've seen people with 5,000 stamina Regen, sure roll dodging and bolt escape got nerfed, but you can still stack regeneration and cost reduction with champ points making it possible to still bolt or roll ALOT. With blocking regen is now made 0, its not that it costs more, its not that they halved my regen, its that its ZERO. Without shards, potions every few seocnds, or other effects that simply restore stamina, blocking any large amount of peoples attacks will be impossible

Its the same reason no one uses Guard in the support tree. The thing can cost over 5000 stamina a second when in use and you're getting shot, yet you've got zero stamina regen.

It's funny that someone mentioned the guard skill, I wonder if it will get used more once people master the no Stam regen while blocking.