No VR1 is not endgame. VR12+ is endgame. Trials, DSA, vDSA, and COA. are the current endgame content as well as doing VR12 instances of the other vet dungeons to get monster helms.

uriangelub17_ESO wrote: »

So once you reach level cap, you need to start all over again and reach another level cap?

The level cap is not 50, level cap is VR14. For some mysterious reason ZoS just rebranded the levels to "veteran ranks" and increased the experience needed. Level 50 is about 1/3 of the total progression if not less.

On this 3rd toon of mine, I stopped questing at cadwell's gold second map because i've done it all before and i just couldn't force myself to do it. Not to mention i was a VR13 in a VR7 zone and XP i got was neglegible. I got the ramaining ranks in Cyrodiil delves in a few hours of gameplay + pvp inbetween.

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uriangelub17_ESO wrote: »

So once you reach level cap, you need to start all over again and reach another level cap?

Level 50 was the first level cap. Then when we all hit level 50 and had nothing to do the devs panicked and made it Vr10..than panicked again and upped it to vr12...than panicked again and make it vr14. in the next major patch they are going to show us how they rushed together some content and upped it to vr16.

feel your pain fresh vr1 consoleros. my advice? diversity what you are doing, go to cyrodiil too, in cities there are quests too

Hahahaha...this poor fellow thinks he has to level up to only v14. Did someone not break the bad news to him yet?

What I did, my friend, was quest a bit, grind a bit and pvp a bit from time to time. It took a while but I enjoyed myself as I wasn't forcing myself to just quest/grind/etc. That's how I got 7 toons to v14...omg I will need to level them all up to v16 next major patch. Sigh...this game can be so demoralizing sometimes.

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

uriangelub17_ESO wrote: »

So once you reach level cap, you need to start all over again and reach another level cap?

Level 50 was the first level cap. Then when we all hit level 50 and had nothing to do the devs panicked and made it Vr10..than panicked again and upped it to vr12...than panicked again and make it vr14. in the next major patch they are going to show us how they rushed together some content and upped it to vr16.

No. The game launched with v10. It might have been added short before launch to artificially prolong the game, but it was not added in a panic when players hit level 50 - because aside from PTS testers, nobody even saw the full game during the beta.

F7sus4 wrote: »

Oh, boy! Another random person that wants to reach "the end" while still having 2/3 of fun in front of him?! Sweet Jesus.

2/3 of fun? For me questing fun ended at lvl 50. Not onyl the few thousands yers old tradition of story telling was broken (great finale, epic enemy defeated), but you can clearly see that quests in other factions werent ean to be done on 1 character from the designers point - to much copy pasta.

But as my late gradfather liked to say - "Some like chocolate, others - when their feet smell."

The real endgame is running in circle, pushing one button for farm CP.
That what Zos want.

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

uriangelub17_ESO wrote: »

So once you reach level cap, you need to start all over again and reach another level cap?

Level 50 was the first level cap. Then when we all hit level 50 and had nothing to do the devs panicked and made it Vr10..than panicked again and upped it to vr12...than panicked again and make it vr14. in the next major patch they are going to show us how they rushed together some content and upped it to vr16.

not really no ...the original plan was level 50 and not being able to go to the other factions areas ..but lots of people moaned like hell about it so they came up with cadwells so that we could do all alliances on one character ..so as with most things we really only have ourselves to blame for the initial concept. Alliance choice was originally supposed to be a major choice

Level 50 is technically the "level cap" and Cadwell's zones are technically "endgame". The issue is that ZOS introduced a peculiar concept of "endgame levelling" (Veteran Ranks), which is contradictory to what endgame should be, leading to Craglorn and Trials being "true endgame" or "Endgame, Part 2".

I posted this in another thread, but I think it's quite valid here as well:

Enodoc wrote: »

The problem is that Veteran Ranks were supposed to be a reward for continuing to play past Level 50 and progressing through the endgame content, but when [ZOS] started locking content behind those Ranks, they [the ranks] became the incentive to play and the content became the reward. This is backwards logic for how endgame should work - you should get rewarded with arbitrary numbers for completing endgame content that you want to do, not have to gain arbitrary numbers to get rewarded with the endgame content.

LukeArayo wrote: »

So basically vet rank and the endgame zones were mean't to be rewards for going passed lvl 50?

Enodoc wrote: »

Yeah, essentially. And the further you got "beyond" Lvl 50 into either Cadwell's Silver/Gold or PvP, the higher VR you were rewarded. When Craglorn and Trials were introduced as VR11+ content, the gaining of VRs was no longer seen as a reward for progress, but rather a requirement to get to that new content. The removal of VRs, as I see it, is an attempt to remove the negative connotations associated with Veteran endgame and return to a state of "reward for progress" with CPs rather than the "rewarded with content" state that VRs are in.

The Veteran Ranks are there because back when the game was in development, a lot of people complained strongly as it was faction locked and you weren't able to go to all provinces on one character. I for one am glad I don't have to roll alts to see everything.

I personally find the CP grind far less desirable than VR's. But that's my personal opinion.

Though I've never really understood the need to rush to end game. End game is exactly that. The end of the game. I would much rather experience a game and everything that it has to offer.

uriangelub17_ESO wrote: »

So once you reach level cap, you need to start all over again and reach another level cap?

I love this comment. One small sentence so nicely summarizes how ridiculous the Veteran System is.

Regardless how us ESO vets view them. Some of us have even grown numb to them to the point of grudging acceptance. But this one one comment so eloquently depicts the average new players reaction to Vet Ranks once they begin to understand the scenario and it truly begins to sink in.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

Oh, boy! Another random person that wants to reach "the end" while still having 2/3 of fun in front of him?! Sweet Jesus.

Cadwells Silver/Gold are NOT fun.

They are cheap and lazy substitutes for real end-game content.

If I want to experience the main story arc of one of the other factions I'll go start a toon in that faction.

All The Best

Whilst I totally respect your choice on this & say just roll another character in that faction, you are totally dismissing the needs of a LOT of other players.

Most like having one main character.... one that they can do everything with, hence the name 'main'.

Now if they had started the game with no access to silver/gold as you suggest then I think most people would be very very annoyed that two thirds of the game content was locked out to them.

There's also practicalities.... like access to dungeons, skyshards, guild traders, better home town locations.

Without silver/gold access to those areas so much of the game would have to be changed, and it would be a very small & insular world.

I do think that there needs to be other options for levelling if you don't want to quest though silver/gold, there I Agree.