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Why do they make us grind through vr levels to even be able to attempt endgame content?
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Very poor design in my opinion. You have to grind your way through vet levels before you can start doing end game content such as vet dungeons trials dsa craglorn. Sure it possibly could be done at lower vr levels but there would be no point as drops would be scaled to your level but they would quickly become irrelevant as you level up to vr14. Once you hit the brick wall of lv 50 you are basically forced to chore your way through vr levels which is no fun at all and the only end game content that awaits you is dungeons dsa and trials and then pvp and is the main reason why many of my console friends are quitting.
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DayedPSN✭✭^ the end game content awaiting you simply doesn't make the veteran rank grind worth it which is why a large number of my console friends are quitting while in veteran ranks
Also, the vast majority of new console players questing their way through veteran levels will not have the gear, champion points, or attributes and enough friends with those requirements in order to complete veteran contentEdited by DayedPSN on July 7, 2015 3:55AM3 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭Yep good question.
Would it be better if they called V1-14 levels 51-64 ?Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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DayedPSN✭✭No because veteran ranks take a whole lot longer to level through than regular levels 1-501
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭so having got to V14 quickly then what ? its not like there is new content for V14 +Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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DayedPSN✭✭Well at vr14 your drops aren't a waste as they would be if you did that end game content at say vr1 and got vr1 drops0
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭and when V16 comes ... V14 becomes a waste again ?Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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DayedPSN✭✭Not as much as say being new to vet ranks and doing end game content for vr1 2 3 4 5 drops0
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes you can attempt them but they are best left for vr14
Vet dungeons scale, there's absolutely no reason they should be left for vr14, as well you can get gold keys, and if you like, save them until your a higher level and maybe get some real good goodiesLone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord2 -
DayedPSN✭✭I highly doubt players questing through vet levels have the gear or attributes required to compete veteran dungeons0
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✭✭✭✭✭I highly doubt players questing through vet levels have the gear or attributes required to compete veteran dungeons
I don't understand. I did my first dungeons on crafted gear, with the skills I had available on a low level VR. And I got there by questing...Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord1 -
dlepi24✭✭✭✭@dlepi24 I'm going to quote you here, "I've been playing since PC release so even if you aren't an expert on the game and need help we can give you a hand."
Yes? I was offering help to other people looking to do the vet dungeons? Seeing as there's no zone chat and not a surefire way of getting a "trinity" group, I was offering other new players to join and complete the dungeons with me and I could help them understand the mechanics so they could then do the same for others. Does that offend you in some way?0 -
DayedPSN✭✭Dlep I'm saying you have over a year of experience on pc that's what separates you from new console players0
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dlepi24✭✭✭✭Dlep I'm saying you have over a year of experience on pc that's what separates you from new console players
...and the other 3 players were "new console players"...They could've got the same information I gave them from a Deltia video. In fact, @Deltia has terrific written guides that I pull up on my monitor to explain to the new players what the mechanics are for each dungeon we do. Veteran dungeons aren't that hard. If you're on Xbox NA I'll gladly help you through one.0 -
Tolmos✭✭✭✭Honestly, I think the whole VR thing was a poor idea. The way it's set up, they basically seem like more levels. Someone here said 1-50 is about 1/3 of the way through the total progression to VR14. So basically VR14 is like level 150. But because they are called Veteran Ranks it confuses people into thinking 50 is max level, and everything else is icing on the cake.
It's really just a matter of the VRs confusing players on what they really are. Shoudla just made 1-50 take 3x as long and left the whole veteran rank system out.0 -
UglyTriangle✭✭✭I highly doubt players questing through vet levels have the gear or attributes required to compete veteran dungeons
My group managed to get through a vet dungeon last night. It was Spindleclutch, but with a bit of skill tinkering and a few attempts to get boss mechanics down, we made it through. I wouldn't say it's impossible.Bobo the Cowardly | Warden | Healer/MagDPS
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There's every reason, because before VR12, all rare loot you get will be scaled to your level and simply inferior once you reach endgame. Unless you can consistently run them with a group that scales those dungeons to VR12.Edited by Faulgor on July 7, 2015 4:55AMAlandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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There's every reason, because before VR12, all rare loot you get will be scaled to your level and simply inferior once you reach endgame. Unless you can consistently run them with a group that scales those dungeons to VR12.
So, you're saying you should waste the opportunity to gain all that daily pledge xp and the gold keys? Why would you wait for VR12 to collect gold keys? I'd rather turn V12 with 20+ gold keys in my inventory to spend that day.
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✭✭Loot, schmoot.
From what I'm seeing, these guys need the practice, to learn their roles and how to work in a group way more than they need to worry about loot that's going to be obsolete soon with V16 and new sets coming anyway.
Too many stories going around here about players not knowing how to tank and heal (or even what that means).
The group dungeons are meant to hone your skills and be played as you level both normal and vet. Besides, some of the best fun I've had in this game was learning those dungeons as they came out.
So get yourselves out there and start playing
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neueregel✭✭✭well, you have to go through all those zones to get skyshards to get skill points anyways...
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KingKush✭✭✭✭After realizing what VR is I stopped leveling and will just enjoy some nonverbal pvp. Currently sitting at lvl 45. I don't think I have it in me to grind to VR 14 especially when there is no real reward for it. It seems more like a chore than anything. I really enjoy this game a lot, it just seems like Zeni is doing all the wrong things.Xbox NA
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✭After realizing what VR is I stopped leveling and will just enjoy some nonverbal pvp. Currently sitting at lvl 45. I don't think I have it in me to grind to VR 14 especially when there is no real reward for it. It seems more like a chore than anything. I really enjoy this game a lot, it just seems like Zeni is doing all the wrong things.
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭I only can quote myself to answer this.
Its a necessary step before dropping Veteran levels on a long term.
I know this sounds weird and many of us don't understand why ZOS is doing this but their plan is to change the whole system without Veteranlevels and of course the workload required for this is huge and will take a very long time.
Filling the time between allows them to release more content like IC and technically its easier to add 2 levels than a full re-itemization on everything without Vetlevels until the final goal is done.
However, one side effect with the upcoming changes is that it has an unexpected impact on champion points too.
When players think they have implemented CPs originally so that we can work on something in endgame to improve our characters its true but the upcoming XP Bonus for V 16 raise was not planned when CPs have been added. That's what its basically all about, V14-V16 is nothing more than a time filler and workaround and they didn't calculate all the side effects coming with it.
Lets imagine Vetlevels would be gone, improvements are made to Cadwells quest chains and minor adjustements being made to CPs, IC and other content have been added step by step ESO endgame would be appreciated again. Of course we somewhere in the middle and many players don't have the patience for this but its still their long term plan because it makes sense related to the required workload.Edited by Bromburak on July 7, 2015 6:04AM0 -
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There's every reason, because before VR12, all rare loot you get will be scaled to your level and simply inferior once you reach endgame. Unless you can consistently run them with a group that scales those dungeons to VR12.
So, you're saying you should waste the opportunity to gain all that daily pledge xp and the gold keys? Why would you wait for VR12 to collect gold keys? I'd rather turn V12 with 20+ gold keys in my inventory to spend that day.
Because I just hate to have to decon VR1 boss helmets. Could be a personal thing.
And if I have the time to do a pledge, I'd just do it with my VR14.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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