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Veteran Rank Questions
Kambo
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So i just hit Vet rank 1 for the first time and have a couple questions.
1. Is the experience you gain after hitting veteran rank increased? For instance if i kill a mob will the experience i gain from it be higher than normal?
2. On the character creation screen it showed Veteran Armor. Is the armor i get from it at Vet rank 14 or was it just showing an armor option?
3. I heard that veteran ranks at some point will be removed, what happens to you levels if it is?
That is all, thanks
1. Is the experience you gain after hitting veteran rank increased? For instance if i kill a mob will the experience i gain from it be higher than normal?
2. On the character creation screen it showed Veteran Armor. Is the armor i get from it at Vet rank 14 or was it just showing an armor option?
3. I heard that veteran ranks at some point will be removed, what happens to you levels if it is?
That is all, thanks
PC USStraight out of Mo- uh, oh wait. Um... Ebonheart, I guess?
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Nathyrin Othrril - Dunmer Stamina Sorcerer
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Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. Not really, but you may occasionally see a bit more XP from mobs with a higher vet rank to you. You will also see a bit less XP from mobs with a vet rank of 5(?) or more ranks lower than you.
2. It's an armour option, and is respective of a VR14-ish crafted set.
3. What happens to veteran ranks when they are removed is not yet known.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭1) Actually, it is not changed at all and one feels more like it is decreased significantly. Which is exactly the issue many people have with the veteran concept. Starting from Cadwell's Silver, you will need a full region to progress one level instead of the 5 to 10 levels you did before.
2) The "veteran armor" shown in character creation screens is not even available in game AFAIK. It was just intended to give an impression on the styles available later on. There is an old discussion on here somewhere, that had some players try to combine available armor and styles into that appearance but I think it was not entirely successful. In essence: while you do get some costumes while you level through veteran ranks (the first after reaching vet, another after reaching vet and a third after reaching vet10), none of those resemble the character creation armors.0 -
Kambo✭✭✭1) Actually, it is not changed at all and one feels more like it is decreased significantly. Which is exactly the issue many people have with the veteran concept. Starting from Cadwell's Silver, you will need a full region to progress one level instead of the 5 to 10 levels you did before.
This is kinda stupid, why require One Million exp to level every time if you aren't gonna increase the exp gain?
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
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You tell me....
This is kinda stupid, why require One Million exp to level every time if you aren't gonna increase the exp gain?1) Actually, it is not changed at all and one feels more like it is decreased significantly. Which is exactly the issue many people have with the veteran concept. Starting from Cadwell's Silver, you will need a full region to progress one level instead of the 5 to 10 levels you did before.
Well, hence all the complaints about the increase to V16...Edited by Leandor on July 6, 2015 11:03AM1 -
Kambo✭✭✭
You tell me....
This is kinda stupid, why require One Million exp to level every time if you aren't gonna increase the exp gain?1) Actually, it is not changed at all and one feels more like it is decreased significantly. Which is exactly the issue many people have with the veteran concept. Starting from Cadwell's Silver, you will need a full region to progress one level instead of the 5 to 10 levels you did before.
Well, hence all the complaints about the increase to V16...
Unless they are increasing the exp gain when V16 comes out i'll be happy if they remove vet ranks entirely.
But whatever, this company is still somehow faring better with their game.
I mean have you seen WoW lately?
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
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Stopped playing 2009. Never regretted it.
Unless they are increasing the exp gain when V16 comes out i'll be happy if they remove vet ranks entirely.
You tell me....
This is kinda stupid, why require One Million exp to level every time if you aren't gonna increase the exp gain?1) Actually, it is not changed at all and one feels more like it is decreased significantly. Which is exactly the issue many people have with the veteran concept. Starting from Cadwell's Silver, you will need a full region to progress one level instead of the 5 to 10 levels you did before.
Well, hence all the complaints about the increase to V16...
But whatever, this company is still somehow faring better with their game.
I mean have you seen WoW lately?0 -
Kambo✭✭✭
Stopped playing 2009. Never regretted it.
Unless they are increasing the exp gain when V16 comes out i'll be happy if they remove vet ranks entirely.
You tell me....
This is kinda stupid, why require One Million exp to level every time if you aren't gonna increase the exp gain?1) Actually, it is not changed at all and one feels more like it is decreased significantly. Which is exactly the issue many people have with the veteran concept. Starting from Cadwell's Silver, you will need a full region to progress one level instead of the 5 to 10 levels you did before.
Well, hence all the complaints about the increase to V16...
But whatever, this company is still somehow faring better with their game.
I mean have you seen WoW lately?
I only started playing that before WoD came out, now i regret spending $70 on it.
There have only been 2 patches in the entire xpac and they are saying that is the end of the xpac, so now i'm done with WoW.
PC USStraight out of Mo- uh, oh wait. Um... Ebonheart, I guess?
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Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hence all the complaints - because people dont care about numbers.
The 160k exp to get from 49 to 50 (vr1) is really low amount of exp. The first 1-50 lvls were very easy, too easy even.
Now look at the zones. Lets give example of AD. Reaper march is for lvls 37-43 it means that when you complete all quests in reaper march, doing dungeons killing stuff you will gain those 6 lvls in normal course of playing.
The pattern repeats itself among other zones with ~6 lvls per zone.
After completing coldharbour you enter into world of VR. You gain acces to caldwell gold and silver. And each zone of caldwell silver and gold is meant for 1 Veteran Rank.
Previosly where zone was enough for 6 lvls, now its whole zone just for 1 VR.
The total exp within zone stays same, the amount of exp for progress too. There is enough content to reach VR12 with completing caldwell gold without any grinding. Craglorn and cyriodiil quests will get you to VR14 (And soon VR16, where the exp needed right now for VR14 will be enough to get you to VR16).
And most important. You arent forced to do anything. Higher lvls and VR are there for people who want do them, and they get a prize for that. For giving their time to lvl up.
If you dont want to do it, then dont! You are very welcomed to stay at whatever lvl you want.0 -
Thalmont✭✭✭I have a quick VR question.
I hit VR2 yestorday and noticed it took 10 champion point unlocks to hit VR2, will it be another 10 Champion points before VR3? Or does it increase to like 15 or 20 to hit VR3?0 -
Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭You dont unlock VR with champion points. This is how it goes. You earn exp normally just like you do from lvl 1 to 50. When you hit VR it stays the same. You earn exp and every 1 mil (soon 850k) you earn next veteran rank.... BUT
Along the veteran rank. Any exp you gain will be counted towards champion points (small bonuses that can be assigned in champion system by pressing "="). Normally its 400k exp for one champion point. But every day, you gain "Enlightenment". During that any exp you gain for champion points will be multiplied by 4. So it means that every day, first CP on that day will cost you 100k exp, but every next during that day will be 400k.
And the best thing is that enlightenment stacks when you are offline. You can be away from game for 7 days and when you log in you will have 7 days worth of enlightement (so 7 CP for 100k exp each) before next 8th point will cost 400k exp.
Because of that, a character who grinded whole days to get VR14 will be significantly weaker than a character who took his time getting to VR14, catching as much CP as possible.
Also keep in mind when you hit lvl cap (VR14 and soon VR16) you still keep earning CP every 100k (once a day) or 400k exp.Edited by Rinmaethodain on July 6, 2015 11:21AM1 -
Thalmont✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »You dont unlock VR with champion points.
Yes I understood that, but it doesn't appear to be random that I hit VR2 after 10 champion points. So Champion points seem like they might be a guideline on how long my next VR will take.0 -
Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Misconception. It does not take champion points to level up, those just increase based on the same experience points that you need to level up.
You need 1'000'000 XP to level up a veteran rank, that stays the same always. You need 400'000 XP for one champion point.
That also stays the same, except there is a mechanism called "enlightenment", that quadruples the XP for the purpose of gaining champion points. This means that while enlightened you gain a champion point after earning 100'000 XP (because those count like 400'000) but you still progressed only 10% towards your next veteran rank.
AFAIK, you get 12 champion points worth of enlightenment upon reaching V1. So the 10 CP you got for the 1'000'000 XP from V1 to V2 fit.
Further down the road, you get 1 champion point worth of enlightenment every day. It then depends on your daily progress, if you will again be always enlightened (which means again 10 CP from V2 to V3) or not. If you are not enlightened at all, you will get 2.5 CP for one veteran rank.Edited by Leandor on July 6, 2015 11:26AM0 -
Thalmont✭✭✭Ok thanks for the info Leandor. I'm gonna stay enlightened while I grind... Or at least attempt to.0
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You will only manage that if you play/grind for a maximum of 100'000 XP per day (which is something like 30 minutes maximum for a slow grind). Currently, there is no possibility to gain more enlightenment than your daily ration.0 -
Kambo✭✭✭Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
PC USStraight out of Mo- uh, oh wait. Um... Ebonheart, I guess?
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Thalmont✭✭✭You will only manage that if you play/grind for a maximum of 100'000 XP per day (which is something like 30 minutes maximum for a slow grind). Currently, there is no possibility to gain more enlightenment than your daily ration.
Yeah I got that. I've been leveling a Templar recently so alittle grinding on my VR each day will fit in.
VR 1 to 2 took me several hours or grinding across several days to hit. VR is alittle intimidating the amount of time it's asking to level. So I think I'll make 1 of each class then decide which I like the most and shoot for that 1 to VR14. If God be willing VR16 Will hit console by then and it'll be alittle easier to level? Maybe.0 -
Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
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Tbh, it sounds worse than it is. If you enjoy the stories told by the quests, you will have a very good time leveling through the veteran ranks - at least the first time. I'm now on the third and forth char (leveling both for variety) and I decided to just do the main area questline (for the skill points awarded), dolmens, delves and world bosses. The rest will be done by playing PvP.Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
And don't fixate on the CP issue. That system is quite new and I am very sure they will change it around for quite some time. Those issues that get discussed on the forums may disappear as fast as they came up.Edited by Leandor on July 6, 2015 11:42AM0 -
Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
Noone orders you to get max rank ^^ You are allowed to play game just like you want.
Vet ranks are just there for those who want. A nice award for playing game.
You decide if you want them or not
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Kambo✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
Noone orders you to get max rank ^^ You are allowed to play game just like you want.
Vet ranks are just there for those who want. A nice award for playing game.
You decide if you want them or not
Yes but what else is there to do besides pvp and endgame zones then?
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Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
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Because each Veteran Rank is the equivalent of 10 normal levels, therefore it should take 10 times the amount of time to gain one.
This is kinda stupid, why require One Million exp to level every time if you aren't gonna increase the exp gain?1) Actually, it is not changed at all and one feels more like it is decreased significantly. Which is exactly the issue many people have with the veteran concept. Starting from Cadwell's Silver, you will need a full region to progress one level instead of the 5 to 10 levels you did before.
There's nothing "else" to do because that is exactly what there is to do. The problem is that Veteran Ranks were supposed to be a reward for continuing to play past Level 50 and progressing through the endgame content, but when they started locking content behind those Ranks, they became the incentive to play and the content became the reward. This is backwards logic for how endgame should work - you should get rewarded with arbitrary numbers for completing endgame content that you want to do, not have to gain arbitrary numbers to get rewarded with the endgame content.
Yes but what else is there to do besides pvp and endgame zones then?MaximusDargus wrote: »Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
Noone orders you to get max rank ^^ You are allowed to play game just like you want.
Vet ranks are just there for those who want. A nice award for playing game.
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Kambo✭✭✭
Because each Veteran Rank is the equivalent of 10 normal levels, therefore it should take 10 times the amount of time to gain one.
This is kinda stupid, why require One Million exp to level every time if you aren't gonna increase the exp gain?1) Actually, it is not changed at all and one feels more like it is decreased significantly. Which is exactly the issue many people have with the veteran concept. Starting from Cadwell's Silver, you will need a full region to progress one level instead of the 5 to 10 levels you did before.
There's nothing "else" to do because that is exactly what there is to do. The problem is that Veteran Ranks were supposed to be a reward for continuing to play past Level 50 and progressing through the endgame content, but when they started locking content behind those Ranks, they became the incentive to play and the content became the reward. This is backwards logic for how endgame should work - you should get rewarded with arbitrary numbers for completing endgame content that you want to do, not have to gain arbitrary numbers to get rewarded with the endgame content.
Yes but what else is there to do besides pvp and endgame zones then?MaximusDargus wrote: »Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
Noone orders you to get max rank ^^ You are allowed to play game just like you want.
Vet ranks are just there for those who want. A nice award for playing game.
You decide if you want them or not
So basically vet rank and the endgame zones were mean't to be rewards for going passed lvl 50?
PC USStraight out of Mo- uh, oh wait. Um... Ebonheart, I guess?
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Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, essentially. And the further you got "beyond" Lvl 50 into either Cadwell's Silver/Gold or PvP, the higher VR you were rewarded. When Craglorn and Trials were introduced as VR11+ content, the gaining of VRs was no longer seen as a reward for progress, but rather a requirement to get to that new content. The removal of VRs, as I see it, is an attempt to remove the negative connotations associated with Veteran endgame and return to a state of "reward for progress" with CPs rather than the "rewarded with content" state that VRs are in.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭Yeah, essentially. And the further you got "beyond" Lvl 50 into either Cadwell's Silver/Gold or PvP, the higher VR you were rewarded. When Craglorn and Trials were introduced as VR11+ content, the gaining of VRs was no longer seen as a reward for progress, but rather a requirement to get to that new content. The removal of VRs, as I see it, is an attempt to remove the negative connotations associated with Veteran endgame and return to a state of "reward for progress" with CPs rather than the "rewarded with content" state that VRs are in.
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✭MaximusDargus wrote: »Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
Noone orders you to get max rank ^^ You are allowed to play game just like you want.
Vet ranks are just there for those who want. A nice award for playing game.
You decide if you want them or not
Yes but what else is there to do besides pvp and endgame zones then?
There is plenty to do. Exploring every corner of world. Funny achievments you probably dont know they exist. Running dungeons, meeting other players, helping them to make game better. During lvls 1-50 you probably were taking from the community more than giving (other players helping you, help from guilds). Now you can start giving. Helping other newbs, returning favors.
When you reach VR, the world is your oyster.0 -
Kambo✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
Noone orders you to get max rank ^^ You are allowed to play game just like you want.
Vet ranks are just there for those who want. A nice award for playing game.
You decide if you want them or not
Yes but what else is there to do besides pvp and endgame zones then?
There is plenty to do. Exploring every corner of world. Funny achievments you probably dont know they exist. Running dungeons, meeting other players, helping them to make game better. During lvls 1-50 you probably were taking from the community more than giving (other players helping you, help from guilds). Now you can start giving. Helping other newbs, returning favors.
When you reach VR, the world is your oyster.
And after all that?
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Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭You quit game (Seriously you have to ask that question?). And if you refuse to do so then there IS something that keeps you in here. Something that still makse you play. There is still some CONTENT that keeps you in game....
You do what you want. You run out of content you look for it. Check achievments etc.
You really run out of content? There is absolutely no joy in rerunning something again with a variation?
Then you either go to forum and join into all topics that ask for more new content or you quit game.
The problem are not VR, the problem might be lack of content.
But most of people who complain about lack of content, in most extreme causes dont even know whats caldwell silver and gold.
Before you state you cleared everything, make sure you did.
Edited by Rinmaethodain on July 6, 2015 1:59PM0 -
Thalmont✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
Noone orders you to get max rank ^^ You are allowed to play game just like you want.
Vet ranks are just there for those who want. A nice award for playing game.
You decide if you want them or not
Yes but what else is there to do besides pvp and endgame zones then?
There is plenty to do. Exploring every corner of world. Funny achievments you probably dont know they exist. Running dungeons, meeting other players, helping them to make game better. During lvls 1-50 you probably were taking from the community more than giving (other players helping you, help from guilds). Now you can start giving. Helping other newbs, returning favors.
When you reach VR, the world is your oyster.
And after all that?
Go to your alliance's major city and start a dance party! I've already been trying this and when it works it's fun and a nice social occasion.0 -
Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭MaximusDargus wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Honestly now i just want vet ranks gone, they seem like they take too much time to get max rank...
Noone orders you to get max rank ^^ You are allowed to play game just like you want.
Vet ranks are just there for those who want. A nice award for playing game.
You decide if you want them or not
Yes but what else is there to do besides pvp and endgame zones then?
There is plenty to do. Exploring every corner of world. Funny achievments you probably dont know they exist. Running dungeons, meeting other players, helping them to make game better. During lvls 1-50 you probably were taking from the community more than giving (other players helping you, help from guilds). Now you can start giving. Helping other newbs, returning favors.
When you reach VR, the world is your oyster.
And after all that?
Go to your alliance's major city and start a dance party! I've already been trying this and when it works it's fun and a nice social occasion.
Yeah, you can challenge me anytime. Rawlkha famous bank stone. The place where most sick danceoffs happen.
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Kambo✭✭✭It is certain they will release the other zones of tamriel in to the game so more content is on it's way.
I suppose the question is, how long will it take?
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