MezReiki wrote: »

As a female player who likes to play female characters, I was rather glad the armour I've picked up or crafted so far looks like it would protect me in combat. However, I wouldn't object to something a bit lighter, or more revealing, for wearing when I'm crafting or just relaxing in game. Give players a choice over how much skin they show, both male and female characters.

This^

VagabondAngel wrote: »

This would do for me.... nothing like it in game tho, oddly enough.

THIS TOO! Im not into the Korean games version of showing skin, and I get the point of armor. But the costumes they are making are horrendous. The ones I linked in the original post are a tad over the top but really the only top that shows even a hint of skin is the Kajiit top.

They "answered" why they did the armor change in a ESO Live episode. Basically it was easier for them to make a male chest and to make a female version just bubble it out where it was anatomically needed...

Would these skimply clothes appear as Borat's mankini if worn by a male character?

The white haired lady in blue with long sleeves and exposed midriff is in a Bosmer light jerkin in medium it loses the long sleeves as shown in the bottom picture though the skirt isn't Bosmer in either picture. I liked Nightingale and Vampire in Skyrim. They looked great on female characters and covered everything except for a bit of a top boob hole in the vampire.

Gidorick wrote: »

Noomfy-Mop wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Stop hardlining judgments of people who want more "fantasy" in their fantasy game. To say that they have loose morals/will be judged by God (SERIOUSLY?!?!)/ need help is going WAY too far. They aren't asking for copulation simulation in ESO or to have strip clubs. They're asking for attire that would reflect THEIR personal sense of style.

People who have it in real life want to flaunt it... same in virtual world.

So go check out real life examples and leave your smut out of the game. Google is really an amazing thing in that regard.

Don't you find it even slightly amusing that everyone here seems to only want the females to "flaunt it"... Even the women that have posted.. Talk about sexism taking a step backwards when you've got women complaining that virtual women aren't showing enough skin..
Maybe my point of view is simply too old fashioned. Maybe I'm seeing things wrong but IMO this thread reeks of sexism.

tengri wrote: »

This is the age of the internet kids - if you want ***, google and download it... but leave my game alone.

This persons got the right idea.
The blanked out word is p*rn.. Or perhaps po*n.
I can't tell you be the judge XP

This is 100% it. You ARE seeing things wrong.

If I want my male character to run around like Conan the Barbarian I should be allowed to let him do. Men and women BOTH deserve the option to run around how they would like.

Now that being said, I do NOT think that I should have as good armor as my full heavy armor characters. The armor rating should be appropriate to the coverage and material.

If me wanting to have my characters wear scant armor makes you think of pornography the problem is entirely, and immaturely, yours.

Am I??
Is it SO wrong that I don't want other people's virtual bits and pieces shoved down my throat!
It's like I said there's more and more sex somehow finding its way onto our TVs and into our games where, personally, I don't think it belongs. The saying goes "sex sells" and doesn't it just. And people wonder why we have such a problem with sexual violence and crimes.
Sorry to say but besides when I quoted someone else I never said anything about "thinking of pornography" as you put it.
Maybe try being less.... Immature, don't let your temper get the better of you and READ the post before you attempt a rebuttal.
I did say that I don't see the point in sexy armor besides having a perve which I don't understand either.
I also said several times "in my opinion" or "IMO" and "if that's what you like then cool". No need to get so defensive as you SEEM to have gotten.
Sorry again but I'm not seeing things wrong at all. Merely from MY perspective and for you to literally tell me I'm 100% wrong is simply narrow minded and, once again just for you, immature.
I'll agree I was probably going a bit far saying this thread was sexist but I didn't even say that. I said it reeks of sexism.[SNIP]
The thing is if you want to run around topless like Conan the barbarian. You already can.. I've seen a few people doing it already. And yes. It reduces their armor rating because they're not wearing half of it. Or go the full monty as I've seen.. Funnily enough though it's only ever female characters I see running around in their underwear. *sniffs*.. You smell something. If it's not sexism it's definitely some form of perversion.
But what I'm reading and seeing here is that female characters need less clothes. There has been 2 out of 61 posts in this discussion regarding male appearance. The rest have been discussing the female attire and how everyone wants to see less of it or actual pictures of scantily clad female characters. One or 2 of them being very close to the actual pornography you say I'm thinking of while playing. I'll admit it's probably those 1 or 2 that are completely taking the p*ss but the rest aren't.
So just to clarify when I read these posts or see things like female characters running around in nothing but a bra and some knickers I don't think of pornogarphy, no. I find myself thinking of the poor b*stard who's 40-50 something, balding, has no life outside of gaming, living out of his parents basement and only emerges to go to the toilet who's getting some kind of a rise out of creating a female character and unequiping all her clothes for his own weird [SNIP] perverted desire.
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I am a female, not a lesbian, and happily married. I just wanted to point that out as this thread isnt intended to be sexist, or perverted, and I dont meet your "stereotype". As you will find, most female gamers would like the ability to dress as they please and not look like a man.

As I said in the original post, Im not asking to star in a ***. I am only asking that we be allowed to wear something that shows more skin than just the shoulders.

When it comes to this subject, I don't get why the heavy armor supporters are so hypocritical. Heavy armor restricts visuals and situational awareness, and training in it can only increase endurance so far--plus you can never move around in it as fast or with as much agility as lighter, more mobile armor. I don't see the game reflecting any of this, so I don't know why people suddenly act like armor would be unbelievable if it wasn't fully covering the entire body. It seems like light and medium armors won't use stamina as heavily, (in game) or give bonuses to stamina, but that is nowhere near the difference that wearing heavy armor would actually impose. And the visibility thing--you want realism in your armor? Those heavy helmets would reduce the cone of visibility you see on the screen, and turning the camera would be slowed by A LOT; not to mention the camera would only turn so much without the body.
Yes, it is stupid for someone to not have their vital organs protected. But armor that allowed movement at the joints/trunk was quite effective historically.

Wow, after reading some more of this thread, someone needs to come in with a Victorian fashion pic of a woman showing a little ankle.
I think some of you are misunderstanding that some players might like armor with a bit of feminine styling--which doesn't have to equal upper thighs, or midriff, or even cleavage.
And to the guy who said if we want realism, it can only be all the way and women can't be in combat, etc., because that's the way history is....you should be better at trying to discuss things. To just move the goalposts to an extreme is beneath good discussion.
Historically, heavy armor was almost always defeated, and in short order. Crossbows made knights in armor more useless on a battlefield than light armor troops. Same for longbows, which singlehandedly killed something like 3000 heavy French cavalry in one battle (and turned the tide very heavily in English-French warfare.)
There is a reason that modern armor is just a few pieces of heavy armor style.
By the way, leather can be made quite strong, so that it wouldn't withstand piercing, but fare well against cutting/slashing. This game goes for mechanics balancing, rather than realism; which is what those of us who are arguing for more variety in our clothing are pointing out--it is no more unrealistic to have armor that doesn't cover as much as it is to have heavy armor that would turn you into an orange pilon. Seriously, you heavy armor users would be no good unless in large numbers, or for people to practice futbol drills with.

Kingof green wrote: »

Conservative? lol ZOS if the last thing from conservative, Liberals would be more of a appropriate word.

Yep, in this age, it's the liberals that want to censor.

For entirely different reasons, but there you go.

I'm thinking it was more for the console release.

Since this is predominantly about the top half of ones body. I agree that most Bethesda games are lacking in realism when it comes to chest proportions; they can never seem to get the chest area right. Excluding mods, even Skyrim the most realistic in the series so far has the same problem. The entire game is filled with female NPCs that have the same flat-ish looking chest, lol. The only way I've seen them play around with this is with certain clothing and lighting, but that's it.

Let's not forget that these are mature rated 18+ games. Sure that doesn't mean we need to go full on Tera-***-out in this game but seriously Bethesda(Not just ZoS) is pretty bad at even being moderately sexy. FFXIV is a good example of not being too in-your-face with breast proportions; in fact they just look like a pair of breasts, nothing more, nothing less. Unlike ESO where we all have around the same flat-ish, slightly mounded chest that to be honest is unrealistic.

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Not only that, but I think it's immoral as you are defining much of your character only by it's sexual value, as any human being will recognize their clothing as sexy, and defining your character by it's sexual value is stupid because there are far more superior values that are respectable and worth something good.

Wow, just wow. You just called a woman who wants to be able to play a video game and make her character LOOK like a woman immoral.

I happen to know many female gamers and many of them like to dress up their characters so they look nice. My wife and my sister talk about styles long before they craft armor and the look will almost at time trump stats. As kids, girls like to play dress up, why is it "immoral" that they want options in a video game to do this?

When I was a kid, my friend and I took cut off broomstick handles and painted them red and blue and put bike handle grips on the bottom and had light saber battles. I still get enjoyment in ESO from crafting a great looking sword.

There's things in video games that call back to times of playing dress up or having epic fantasy battles in your head and that's okay. In fact, it's kind of the point.

I think the only thing "immoral" is going on inside your head and someone like you should be able to prevent others from playing dress up in a video game.

- No, I'm not calling the woman or whoever playing immoral, I'm calling the act immoral.

- I think the fact that girls are influenced to value physical beauty (sexual appeal) and play dress up over other objectively superior values is pretty stupid and pathetic, and the fact that it is common among young girls is not a reason to allow for the acceptance of sexual appeal over consistency and immersion. One of the most hilarious things is how people call themselves feminists yet argue it's okay for women to dress themselves like pro strippers from Hungary. But that's an entirely different discussion

- I am not arguing there should be NO customizing or playing around with your character, I am arguing that the game should not cater to armor based on looks and sex appeal as some want it to, and when I'm talking about armor with sex appeal I'm talking about MMOs like TERA where the sex appeal is blatant and directly displaying that sex appeal is more important than other values you or your character holds that is inconsistent with a medieval-fantasy world and thus ruins immersion.

Showing a little cleavage is fine. Covering your breasts with a sliver of cloth or metal with a metal bikini is completely stupid and inconsistent with ANY setting, even modern. You're overly displaying sexual appeal, and thus you are giving value to sex appeal when in reality it should not be considered a worthy value.

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Not only that, but I think it's immoral as you are defining much of your character only by it's sexual value, as any human being will recognize their clothing as sexy, and defining your character by it's sexual value is stupid because there are far more superior values that are respectable and worth something good.

Wow, just wow. You just called a woman who wants to be able to play a video game and make her character LOOK like a woman immoral.

I happen to know many female gamers and many of them like to dress up their characters so they look nice. My wife and my sister talk about styles long before they craft armor and the look will almost at time trump stats. As kids, girls like to play dress up, why is it "immoral" that they want options in a video game to do this?

When I was a kid, my friend and I took cut off broomstick handles and painted them red and blue and put bike handle grips on the bottom and had light saber battles. I still get enjoyment in ESO from crafting a great looking sword.

There's things in video games that call back to times of playing dress up or having epic fantasy battles in your head and that's okay. In fact, it's kind of the point.

I think the only thing "immoral" is going on inside your head and someone like you should be able to prevent others from playing dress up in a video game.

- No, I'm not calling the woman or whoever playing immoral, I'm calling the act immoral.

- I think the fact that girls are influenced to value physical beauty (sexual appeal) and play dress up over other objectively superior values is pretty stupid and pathetic, and the fact that it is common among young girls is not a reason to allow for the acceptance of sexual appeal over consistency and immersion. One of the most hilarious things is how people call themselves feminists yet argue it's okay for women to dress themselves like pro strippers from Hungary. But that's an entirely different discussion

- I am not arguing there should be NO customizing or playing around with your character, I am arguing that the game should not cater to armor based on looks and sex appeal as some want it to, and when I'm talking about armor with sex appeal I'm talking about MMOs like TERA where the sex appeal is blatant and directly displaying that sex appeal is more important than other values you or your character holds that is consistent with a medieval-fantasy world.

Showing a little cleavage is fine. Covering your breasts with a sliver of cloth or metal with a metal bikini is completely stupid and inconsistent with ANY setting, even modern. You're overly displaying sexual appeal, and thus you are giving value to sex appeal when in reality it should not be considered a worthy value.

It's been made very clear here that no one is asking for eastern themed (i.e. Tera style) armor. I haven't really read one post in this thread truly asking for that, however people have poked fun as it's over the top. Currently in ESO there are very few if any options to do exactly what you just said (show a little cleavage), and the point of this thread by the OP is to point out that there are few options.

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Not only that, but I think it's immoral as you are defining much of your character only by it's sexual value, as any human being will recognize their clothing as sexy, and defining your character by it's sexual value is stupid because there are far more superior values that are respectable and worth something good.

Wow, just wow. You just called a woman who wants to be able to play a video game and make her character LOOK like a woman immoral.

I happen to know many female gamers and many of them like to dress up their characters so they look nice. My wife and my sister talk about styles long before they craft armor and the look will almost at time trump stats. As kids, girls like to play dress up, why is it "immoral" that they want options in a video game to do this?

When I was a kid, my friend and I took cut off broomstick handles and painted them red and blue and put bike handle grips on the bottom and had light saber battles. I still get enjoyment in ESO from crafting a great looking sword.

There's things in video games that call back to times of playing dress up or having epic fantasy battles in your head and that's okay. In fact, it's kind of the point.

I think the only thing "immoral" is going on inside your head and someone like you should be able to prevent others from playing dress up in a video game.

- No, I'm not calling the woman or whoever playing immoral, I'm calling the act immoral.

- I think the fact that girls are influenced to value physical beauty (sexual appeal) and play dress up over other objectively superior values is pretty stupid and pathetic, and the fact that it is common among young girls is not a reason to allow for the acceptance of sexual appeal over consistency and immersion. One of the most hilarious things is how people call themselves feminists yet argue it's okay for women to dress themselves like pro strippers from Hungary. But that's an entirely different discussion

- I am not arguing there should be NO customizing or playing around with your character, I am arguing that the game should not cater to armor based on looks and sex appeal as some want it to, and when I'm talking about armor with sex appeal I'm talking about MMOs like TERA where the sex appeal is blatant and directly displaying that sex appeal is more important than other values you or your character holds that is consistent with a medieval-fantasy world.

Showing a little cleavage is fine. Covering your breasts with a sliver of cloth or metal with a metal bikini is completely stupid and inconsistent with ANY setting, even modern. You're overly displaying sexual appeal, and thus you are giving value to sex appeal when in reality it should not be considered a worthy value.

It's been made very clear here that no one is asking for eastern themed (i.e. Tera style) armor. I haven't really read one post in this thread truly asking for that, however people have poked fun as it's over the top. Currently in ESO there are very few if any options to do exactly what you just said (show a little cleavage), and the point of this thread by the OP is to point out that there are few options.

Yes I understand. I just said on a separate note that ZOS should not even think about going there.

Gidorick wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Not only that, but I think it's immoral as you are defining much of your character only by it's sexual value, as any human being will recognize their clothing as sexy, and defining your character by it's sexual value is stupid because there are far more superior values that are respectable and worth something good.

Wow, just wow. You just called a woman who wants to be able to play a video game and make her character LOOK like a woman immoral.

I happen to know many female gamers and many of them like to dress up their characters so they look nice. My wife and my sister talk about styles long before they craft armor and the look will almost at time trump stats. As kids, girls like to play dress up, why is it "immoral" that they want options in a video game to do this?

When I was a kid, my friend and I took cut off broomstick handles and painted them red and blue and put bike handle grips on the bottom and had light saber battles. I still get enjoyment in ESO from crafting a great looking sword.

There's things in video games that call back to times of playing dress up or having epic fantasy battles in your head and that's okay. In fact, it's kind of the point.

I think the only thing "immoral" is going on inside your head and someone like you should be able to prevent others from playing dress up in a video game.

- No, I'm not calling the woman or whoever playing immoral, I'm calling the act immoral.

- I think the fact that girls are influenced to value physical beauty (sexual appeal) and play dress up over other objectively superior values is pretty stupid and pathetic, and the fact that it is common among young girls is not a reason to allow for the acceptance of sexual appeal over consistency and immersion. One of the most hilarious things is how people call themselves feminists yet argue it's okay for women to dress themselves like pro strippers from Hungary. But that's an entirely different discussion

- I am not arguing there should be NO customizing or playing around with your character, I am arguing that the game should not cater to armor based on looks and sex appeal as some want it to, and when I'm talking about armor with sex appeal I'm talking about MMOs like TERA where the sex appeal is blatant and directly displaying that sex appeal is more important than other values you or your character holds that is consistent with a medieval-fantasy world.

Showing a little cleavage is fine. Covering your breasts with a sliver of cloth or metal with a metal bikini is completely stupid and inconsistent with ANY setting, even modern. You're overly displaying sexual appeal, and thus you are giving value to sex appeal when in reality it should not be considered a worthy value.

It's been made very clear here that no one is asking for eastern themed (i.e. Tera style) armor. I haven't really read one post in this thread truly asking for that, however people have poked fun as it's over the top. Currently in ESO there are very few if any options to do exactly what you just said (show a little cleavage), and the point of this thread by the OP is to point out that there are few options.

Yes I understand. I just said on a separate note that ZOS should not even think about going there.

I actually think this is one point we can all agree on. But there has got to be a middle ground between this:

and this:

Oh god definitely. Don't think we have anyone supporting for the latter.

Even if ESO had armor like that, it would still be nothing compared to elins so we're definitely in good territory.

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

Not only that, but I think it's immoral as you are defining much of your character only by it's sexual value, as any human being will recognize their clothing as sexy, and defining your character by it's sexual value is stupid because there are far more superior values that are respectable and worth something good.

Wow, just wow. You just called a woman who wants to be able to play a video game and make her character LOOK like a woman immoral.

I happen to know many female gamers and many of them like to dress up their characters so they look nice. My wife and my sister talk about styles long before they craft armor and the look will almost at time trump stats. As kids, girls like to play dress up, why is it "immoral" that they want options in a video game to do this?

When I was a kid, my friend and I took cut off broomstick handles and painted them red and blue and put bike handle grips on the bottom and had light saber battles. I still get enjoyment in ESO from crafting a great looking sword.

There's things in video games that call back to times of playing dress up or having epic fantasy battles in your head and that's okay. In fact, it's kind of the point.

I think the only thing "immoral" is going on inside your head and someone like you should be able to prevent others from playing dress up in a video game.

- No, I'm not calling the woman or whoever playing immoral, I'm calling the act immoral.

- I think the fact that girls are influenced to value physical beauty (sexual appeal) and play dress up over other objectively superior values is pretty stupid and pathetic, and the fact that it is common among young girls is not a reason to allow for the acceptance of sexual appeal over consistency and immersion. One of the most hilarious things is how people call themselves feminists yet argue it's okay for women to dress themselves like pro strippers from Hungary. But that's an entirely different discussion

- I am not arguing there should be NO customizing or playing around with your character, I am arguing that the game should not cater to armor based on looks and sex appeal as some want it to, and when I'm talking about armor with sex appeal I'm talking about MMOs like TERA where the sex appeal is blatant and directly displaying that sex appeal is more important than other values you or your character holds that is consistent with a medieval-fantasy world.

Showing a little cleavage is fine. Covering your breasts with a sliver of cloth or metal with a metal bikini is completely stupid and inconsistent with ANY setting, even modern. You're overly displaying sexual appeal, and thus you are giving value to sex appeal when in reality it should not be considered a worthy value.

It's been made very clear here that no one is asking for eastern themed (i.e. Tera style) armor. I haven't really read one post in this thread truly asking for that, however people have poked fun as it's over the top. Currently in ESO there are very few if any options to do exactly what you just said (show a little cleavage), and the point of this thread by the OP is to point out that there are few options.

Yes I understand. I just said on a separate note that ZOS should not even think about going there.

I actually think this is one point we can all agree on. But there has got to be a middle ground between this:

and this:

Oh god definitely. Don't think we have anyone supporting for the latter.

Even if ESO had armor like that, it would still be nothing compared to elins so we're definitely in good territory.

I had to look elins up... I have no words.