So, the Templar healer is a staff-wielding clothie?

Ryzaerian · July 2015

I have to admit - I'm a little disappointed.

When I first started the game (about a week ago), I rolled a Templar. I've always loved the combination healing, plate (heavy) armor, and melee weapons. This is the essence of a Templar, Paladin, Crusader, etc. The class seemed ideal.

As I approach level 30 on my Templar, a few things have become obvious, with the assumption that you're serious about your healing role:

1) You'd be stupid not to use a Resto Staff. Yes, BoL is an awesome clutch heal, but Healing Springs is the most mana-efficient heal in the game. Plus, 10% mana (magicka, whatever) return on a heavy attack? There's only one healing-appropriate weapon in this game.

2) You'd be stupid not to wear dresse...err... "Light armor." xD No right-minded healer can deny themselves the mp pool and regen passives. There's only one healing-appropriate armor.

Now, I've read posts about people healing in heavy armor, or using a melee weapon, "until VR#" etc., but the posts all have the same inevitable message: "I'm gimping myself because I want heavy armor and a real weapon, but it's ok, I can sort of get away with it for now."

I'm kind of disappointed, to be honest. I thought I was rolling a "cleric" type, but I'm just a stereotypical, robe-wearing, staff-wielding caster. I don't -have- to be, but my healing will suffer tremendously. To be honest, I haven't even done any crafting, because I don't know what to pick. I'm supposed to wear light armor. But I want to wear heavy. I'm supposed to use a staff, but I love swords, shields, and two-handers.

I've thought about rerolling, but I love healing...

PBpsy · July 2015

Very good.

Pizza_Magician · July 2015

Do what you want, I have a wood elf templar who makes his own bows.

Danikat · July 2015

You could do both.

Wear heavy chest armor (and maybe legs or helm) for the look and light on all the other slots. Use a healing staff as one weapon and whatever else you want as the second set. (A melee weapon is probably the best choice, so you've got one ranger and one melee set.)

Forztr · July 2015

I feel your pain. I leveled just using Templar heals but around level 35 I took up the staff and it does make life a lot easier. I still plan to come up with an effective Templar heal only build but I think it'll take a lot of tinkering to get it right and then a lot of persuasion to convince people to do content with me.

As for the heavy armor I cheat and use one of the Lions Guard costumes for the looks.

Phinix1 · July 2015

I know it is only a "make believe" solution, but you could also wear one of the heavy armor costumes you collect throughout your journeys to at least make yourself LOOK like a battlemage. The Manimarco costume is one of my favorites but there are a lot of quest items you can choose to hold onto after the quest that work as well.

dRudE · July 2015

By picking the right racials and gaining enough points in the champion system, HA healers will become even more viable than they are now. At the moment they are slightly more situational than a LA/resto healer but from a PVP perspective they do very well.

HxC · July 2015

You should continue and go for a tank/healer build with good knowledge of your build and dungeons mechanics its a viable way to play and with a good group even vDSA is possible. don't know if you can hit the top of the leaderboard(but,is it your goal).

And you'll be hard to kill in Pvp.

Ryzaerian · July 2015

Thanks for the feedback. I feel better. I guess this is how support groups work. xD

P.S. Didn't even think about outfits. Not an ideal solution, but a band-aid nonetheless.

Nifty2g · July 2015

Ryzaerian wrote: »

I have to admit - I'm a little disappointed.

When I first started the game (about a week ago), I rolled a Templar. I've always loved the combination healing, plate (heavy) armor, and melee weapons. This is the essence of a Templar, Paladin, Crusader, etc. The class seemed ideal.

As I approach level 30 on my Templar, a few things have become obvious, with the assumption that you're serious about your healing role:

1) You'd be stupid not to use a Resto Staff. Yes, BoL is an awesome clutch heal, but Healing Springs is the most mana-efficient heal in the game. Plus, 10% mana (magicka, whatever) return on a heavy attack? There's only one healing-appropriate weapon in this game.

2) You'd be stupid not to wear dresse...err... "Light armor." xD No right-minded healer can deny themselves the mp pool and regen passives. There's only one healing-appropriate armor.

Now, I've read posts about people healing in heavy armor, or using a melee weapon, "until VR#" etc., but the posts all have the same inevitable message: "I'm gimping myself because I want heavy armor and a real weapon, but it's ok, I can sort of get away with it for now."

I'm kind of disappointed, to be honest. I thought I was rolling a "cleric" type, but I'm just a stereotypical, robe-wearing, staff-wielding caster. I don't -have- to be, but my healing will suffer tremendously. To be honest, I haven't even done any crafting, because I don't know what to pick. I'm supposed to wear light armor. But I want to wear heavy. I'm supposed to use a staff, but I love swords, shields, and two-handers.

I've thought about rerolling, but I love healing...

If you want to deal high damage in either magic or stamina. check out these two threads.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/niftys-damagehealing-build-for-veteran-dsa-12210/

Templar is honestly the most funnest class in the game, don't give up

nothing2591 · July 2015

if you put 100cp into magician you can be heavy armor templar with the same magicka recovery as a lightarmor templar with 0 cp :P 5 heavy 2 light is what you want for pvp or full light if you wanna get 2 shot by nightblades

waterfairy · July 2015

It's funny how the game prides itself on being able to use anything with any race yet it pigeonholes you into using the right stuff for your role.

Personally I don't let this stop me from playing how I want...I have an Altmer sorcerer that will be my end game if I decide to take it there but my other characters mix match things and get by just fine.

Skwor · July 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ryzaerian wrote: »

I have to admit - I'm a little disappointed.

When I first started the game (about a week ago), I rolled a Templar. I've always loved the combination healing, plate (heavy) armor, and melee weapons. This is the essence of a Templar, Paladin, Crusader, etc. The class seemed ideal.

As I approach level 30 on my Templar, a few things have become obvious, with the assumption that you're serious about your healing role:

1) You'd be stupid not to use a Resto Staff. Yes, BoL is an awesome clutch heal, but Healing Springs is the most mana-efficient heal in the game. Plus, 10% mana (magicka, whatever) return on a heavy attack? There's only one healing-appropriate weapon in this game.

2) You'd be stupid not to wear dresse...err... "Light armor." xD No right-minded healer can deny themselves the mp pool and regen passives. There's only one healing-appropriate armor.

Now, I've read posts about people healing in heavy armor, or using a melee weapon, "until VR#" etc., but the posts all have the same inevitable message: "I'm gimping myself because I want heavy armor and a real weapon, but it's ok, I can sort of get away with it for now."

I'm kind of disappointed, to be honest. I thought I was rolling a "cleric" type, but I'm just a stereotypical, robe-wearing, staff-wielding caster. I don't -have- to be, but my healing will suffer tremendously. To be honest, I haven't even done any crafting, because I don't know what to pick. I'm supposed to wear light armor. But I want to wear heavy. I'm supposed to use a staff, but I love swords, shields, and two-handers.

I've thought about rerolling, but I love healing...

If you want to deal high damage in either magic or stamina. check out these two threads.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/niftys-damagehealing-build-for-veteran-dsa-12210/

Templar is honestly the most funnest class in the game, don't give up

PVE is ok but in truth other classes are much less frustration, PVP absolutely not. Worst class in the game is a magicka Templar

Junipus · July 2015

I currently know of one HA tank\healer running end content stuff with sword and shield and resto staff with 300 CP. I'm in the process of emulating that same build atm, but having run veteran DSA with just my healer templar with a destro staff there are racial and weapon mechanics in place that allow you to play the game as a healer without necessarily being a cloth wearing stick waver.

However, when running with random players for undaunted dailies or similar I always go with the most efficient setup purely because you can never rely on every person out there to know what they're doing.

Armann · July 2015

If you crave that cleric look, you need at least the chest and shoulder to be heavy or medium and you're good. You still need the resto staff though..

stojekarcub18_ESO · July 2015

My templar is 5-2 Heavy/Light, sword & board, with healing staff for 2nd swap set. Evenly divided on my attributes between mag/hp/stam. When I swap to heal, I have enough stam to practically run forever, and never run out of mag for heals. I cast heavy attacks in between heals and it refills enough. The build is VERY viable, and even slight variations I'd imagine would be just as good.

Egonieser · July 2015

nothing2591 wrote: »

if you but 100cp into magician you can be heavy armor templar with the same magicka recovery as a lightarmor templar with 0 cp :P 5 heavy 2 light is what you want for pvp or full light if you wanna get 2 shot by nightblades

Tried swapping from LA to HA, still got 2-shot by nightblades, on the expense of nearly 15% spell crit, tons of magicka, regen and other passives. Worth it? Nah.

Armour on it's own is worth jack sh*t.

Vyle_Byte · July 2015

I have a templar healer and I do well wearing 5 light 2 heavy. If you are looking to mainly heal and be able to do fairly good damage try 2H as your second weapon. I agree that resto staff is definitely worth using because the passives are worth it to a healer.

BRogueNZ · July 2015

Egonieser wrote: »

nothing2591 wrote: »

if you but 100cp into magician you can be heavy armor templar with the same magicka recovery as a lightarmor templar with 0 cp :P 5 heavy 2 light is what you want for pvp or full light if you wanna get 2 shot by nightblades

Tried swapping from LA to HA, still got 2-shot by nightblades, on the expense of nearly 15% spell crit, tons of magicka, regen and other passives. Worth it? Nah.

Armour on it's own is worth jack sh*t.

Broken twin mace armour penetration is making a lot of HA wearers wonder if they're wearing tissue paper. It's broke.

eliisra · July 2015

nothing2591 wrote: »

if you but 100cp into magician you can be heavy armor templar with the same magicka recovery as a lightarmor templar with 0 cp :P 5 heavy 2 light is what you want for pvp or full light if you wanna get 2 shot by nightblades

If the guy is built for ganking and burst, you will die in 1 sec regardless of armor lol. Wearing 5+ heavy doesn't do as much as one might think for survivability in PvP. Armor- or spell penetration ignores a lot, sometime all your resistances depending on the attackers build. Combine that with dmg buff stacking from sneak and you explode just like the guy wearing a "dress" or leather leggings.

Than there's half a dozen debuffs that sends your armor rating down to paper status.

Heavy armor will not save you from anything, at best it will delay the inevitable for a few seconds since you can block more. Spamming shields, heals and hiding in Mist Form as soon as someone sneezes in your direction, will however save your life pretty frequently.

Heavy healer is a pretty cool build in PvE though. Definitely awesome, if you're prepared to also do some tanking.

Azalin76 · July 2015

Plate templar has to be a tank spec which is the paladin type of class you are thinking of. To be a healer templar it's more of a priest class because you have to wear light armor. I think that they should remove the armor specific archtypes and allow us to just choose the passives that we need and have them count towards any armor type we wear. I would love to wear all plate armor but have all the light armor passives. This game states that you can play any role with any class and it was a huge deal to not have cookie cutter builds like in WoW but they failed miserably and everyone has to use the cookie cutter builds to play certain roles in the game because of armor and weapon passives.

Ryzaerian · July 2015

Armann wrote: »

If you crave that cleric look, you need at least the chest and shoulder to be heavy or medium and you're good. You still need the resto staff though..

Dude, now I look like The Shredder. xD

Ryzaerian · July 2015

Ok, a little more Templarish. Yeah, this is a step in the right direction.

Shimmer · July 2015

I wear two peices of heavy the rest light, and resto staff and duel wield for my other bar.

jaibierwb17_ESO · July 2015

With the undaunted passive at its highest level you get 6% extra of each attribute if you wear all 3 types of armour. So I use 5 light, 1 heavy and 1 medium on my healer. Make the heavy your chest piece and you not only get the biggest armour increase but the look of heavy armour as well

Corvusguitarb14_ESO · July 2015

A little off topic but one thing i don't really get with hybrids in this game: If you go heals with a melee weapon, aren't you spreading your points out too much? will your heals and weapon damage suffer from not picking a stat to go with? the reason i am on the fence about making any "hybrid" character is if you focus on magicka, your weapon skills will suffer, but if you focus on stamina, your heals will suffer? this is why tying skill effectiveness to size of resource pool is dumb to me. Unless it doesn't work that way.

Shimmer · July 2015

I am a "hybrid" as you say and still have tons of points unspent.

Shimmer · July 2015

nevermind i misunderstood i thought you meant skill points not attribute.