A Replacement Idea for Cadwell's Silver & Gold Rewards

Moonshadow66 · July 2015

Maotti_Nor wrote: »

Excellent idea!

Thank you

The_Sadist · July 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm quite indifferent, unless the set bonus is remotely useful it will still be vendor trash. Furthermore, those of us who have completed silver and gold and have already sold their trinkets off will be a bit frustrated as now we have to make an alt and repeat the process sort of thing, unless of course it's given out to those who have already completed the quest lines. All in all not the worst idea, but I think the damage has already been done.

I didn't think of that point, but I'm sure it could be re-given somehow, buyable from Cadwell? collection? If unlocked a full crafting station for completing both, maybe not really necessary?

If it could be purchased from Cadwell you'd only need 1 character which has completed the quest line to actually gear up your account, which feels a little bit counterproductive in terms of making the equipment appealing. Collections are more costumes sort of thing. The idea was for jewellery, currently there is no jewellery crafting option. I think the 'best' thing to do would just give players who have completed the quest lines the equipment back, though not sure how that would work.

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm quite indifferent, unless the set bonus is remotely useful it will still be vendor trash. Furthermore, those of us who have completed silver and gold and have already sold their trinkets off will be a bit frustrated as now we have to make an alt and repeat the process sort of thing, unless of course it's given out to those who have already completed the quest lines. All in all not the worst idea, but I think the damage has already been done.

It's true that this idea comes a bit late (sorry, I didn't have it earlier^^). But yes, the set bonus should definitely be worth it to go for it, imo. Also, like what you said, the players who have done Silver/Gold but got rid of these items should get a replacement, of course. After this, it's up to us to use them or not. Of course there are or might be better items to get elsewhere in the game, but f.e. solo players won't see many of them, if any at all. This would be at least one chance to have 1 nice set of jewelry

Eh, no need to apologise, I was simply stating that this should have been something implemented from the get go. What sort of bonuses were you thinking? Would there be variations of the equipment for Stamina and Magicka builds? Outside of master weapons the solo player can currently get the best gear as well, trials gear is no longer really worthwhile which sucks, but eh.

Moonshadow66 · July 2015

The_Sadist wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm quite indifferent, unless the set bonus is remotely useful it will still be vendor trash. Furthermore, those of us who have completed silver and gold and have already sold their trinkets off will be a bit frustrated as now we have to make an alt and repeat the process sort of thing, unless of course it's given out to those who have already completed the quest lines. All in all not the worst idea, but I think the damage has already been done.

I didn't think of that point, but I'm sure it could be re-given somehow, buyable from Cadwell? collection? If unlocked a full crafting station for completing both, maybe not really necessary?

If it could be purchased from Cadwell you'd only need 1 character which has completed the quest line to actually gear up your account, which feels a little bit counterproductive in terms of making the equipment appealing. Collections are more costumes sort of thing. The idea was for jewellery, currently there is no jewellery crafting option. I think the 'best' thing to do would just give players who have completed the quest lines the equipment back, though not sure how that would work.

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm quite indifferent, unless the set bonus is remotely useful it will still be vendor trash. Furthermore, those of us who have completed silver and gold and have already sold their trinkets off will be a bit frustrated as now we have to make an alt and repeat the process sort of thing, unless of course it's given out to those who have already completed the quest lines. All in all not the worst idea, but I think the damage has already been done.

It's true that this idea comes a bit late (sorry, I didn't have it earlier^^). But yes, the set bonus should definitely be worth it to go for it, imo. Also, like what you said, the players who have done Silver/Gold but got rid of these items should get a replacement, of course. After this, it's up to us to use them or not. Of course there are or might be better items to get elsewhere in the game, but f.e. solo players won't see many of them, if any at all. This would be at least one chance to have 1 nice set of jewelry

Eh, no need to apologise, I was simply stating that this should have been something implemented from the get go. What sort of bonuses were you thinking? Would there be variations of the equipment for Stamina and Magicka builds? Outside of master weapons the solo player can currently get the best gear as well, trials gear is no longer really worthwhile which sucks, but eh.

For the set I thought of like having a choice (some games have this option when giving out rewards), in this case if it's stamina, magicka or health (tank) based items. The traits AND the set bonus, I mean.
I think this would be the only way that no player would be in a disadvantage here (which they shouldn't be since they all completed the same quests, after all).

Psychobunni · July 2015

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Well that's awesome, since Moonshadow is having some issues in game towards sending feedback atm. It's nice to know someone sees

JD2013 · July 2015

I have to say that I really like these ideas. The rewards for completing Silver and Gold do not match the amount of effort put into them.

New gear and craftable sets would be fantastic ideas to implement.

Great ideas, OP!

Moonshadow66 · July 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Well that's awesome, since Moonshadow is having some issues in game towards sending feedback atm. It's nice to know someone sees

Thank you

It's just that I can't play longer than a few minutes until it crashes (since the last patch), that's why I have problems to send in-game feedback^^

Moonshadow66 · July 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

I have to say that I really like these ideas. The rewards for completing Silver and Gold do not match the amount of effort put into them.

New gear and craftable sets would be fantastic ideas to implement.

Great ideas, OP!

Thank you for your reply

I'm not sure if jewelry crafting will ever be implemented (I'm still hoping for it), but at least by crafting all the other items we could complete the set, in case the full set bonus requires 5 items.

Bromburak · July 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

@Bromburak I don't know, in another game I might agree, but there are A LOT of people here that are in for the "immersion" and story, or maybe they are just really loud....but I don't think they would be totally abandoned.

In theory people are in for immersion but if this would be their main focus how comes that reward is so important in this discussion?

jcasini222ub17_ESO · July 2015

I know this would make it 'mandatory' but a 3 piece set could be just 'cost reduction' no stam or mag, but general cost reduction of skills. Everyone loves cost reduction

and it sidesteps favoring stam or mag builds.

Bromburak · July 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

I have to say that I really like these ideas. The rewards for completing Silver and Gold do not match the amount of effort put into them.

New gear and craftable sets would be fantastic ideas to implement.

Great ideas, OP!

I agree but after a Vet level drop do you really think a questchain through all zones at max level is reasonable?
What makes you certain that this will not be re desigend after the Vet drop?

I am just saying, I don't believe that Zeni will invest any effort into this because it doesnt make any sense from their perspective.

Sordidfairytale · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I have to say that I really like these ideas. The rewards for completing Silver and Gold do not match the amount of effort put into them.

New gear and craftable sets would be fantastic ideas to implement.

Great ideas, OP!

I agree but after a Vet level drop do you really think a questchain through all zones at max level is reasonable?
What makes you certain that this will not be re desigend after the Vet drop?

I am just saying, I don't believe that Zeni will invest any effort into this because it doesnt make any sense from their perspective.

After the vet drop they will need a means to get the players to complete the two other factions. I doubt that aspect is going to go away.

If they were to implement a new crafting station though I hope that it is a 0 trait crafting station. Otherwise you will have people complaining about that.

Moonshadow66 · July 2015

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I have to say that I really like these ideas. The rewards for completing Silver and Gold do not match the amount of effort put into them.

New gear and craftable sets would be fantastic ideas to implement.

Great ideas, OP!

I agree but after a Vet level drop do you really think a questchain through all zones at max level is reasonable?
What makes you certain that this will not be re desigend after the Vet drop?

I am just saying, I don't believe that Zeni will invest any effort into this because it doesnt make any sense from their perspective.

After the vet drop they will need a means to get the players to complete the two other factions. I doubt that aspect is going to go away.

If they were to implement a new crafting station though I hope that it is a 0 trait crafting station. Otherwise you will have people complaining about that.

There will definitely be players who want to complete all 3 factions, with or without these improved items.
For the crafting station: why 0 traits? The Mages and Fighter's Guild stations require 8 traits, and they are not the main quest (or Silver/Gold Cadwell quests). I haven't seen anyone complaining about this either. But anyways, that's something the devs would have to decide, not me

Stalwart385 · July 2015

Quests rewards in general need a major look over imo.

It would be nice if completing a quest was valuable to your progression. Giving you long term key items, set items, unlock skills or unlock craftable items. As-is the quest are boring as the rewards are simply xp and something you will immediately junk. All of my alt don't do any side quest. They are mind numbing after a short time, even if they are nice stories.

Moonshadow66 · July 2015

Stalwart385 wrote: »

Quests rewards in general need a major look over imo.

It would be nice if completing a quest was valuable to your progression. Giving you long term key items, set items, unlock skills or unlock craftable items. As-is the quest are boring as the rewards are simply xp and something you will immediately junk. All of my alt don't do any side quest. They are mind numbing after a short time, even if they are nice stories.

I try to complete every faction's zones with all my characters (including the Cyrodiil PvE quests)

But I do agree, the rewards in general need an overhaul, something we can look forward to when we turn in a quest. At the moment, they're trash with a special name.

Snit · July 2015

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Nothing? Wow. After so many complaints for over a year, I thought people could be interested in this.

Quest rewards are uniformly awful in TESO, starting at level one and continuing right through Cadwell's quests. I don't believe any of my characters have ever equipped one. The lack of responses from players may indicate our understanding that it's a design decision.

It's a terrible design decision, but it's too consistent to be anything else.

Moonshadow66 · July 2015

Snit wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Nothing? Wow. After so many complaints for over a year, I thought people could be interested in this.

Quest rewards are uniformly awful in TESO, starting at level one and continuing right through Cadwell's quests. I don't believe any of my characters have ever equipped one. The lack of responses from players may indicate our understanding that it's a design decision.

It's a terrible design decision, but it's too consistent to be anything else.

Of course it's a design decision, but this doesn't mean it couldn't be changed, or improved.

Bromburak · July 2015

Snit wrote: »

The lack of responses from players may indicate our understanding that it's a design decision.

It indicates that there are way more important things to deal with and players concerned about.

Faulgor · July 2015

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

All of these 3 set items would be "Level 1" and scale to your current level.

I think all quest reward items should be leveldynamic, meaning that they level with you. Not just scaled when you pick them up, but they continously scale as you level. When I'm VR14, I think my Prismatic Weapon from the Fighter Guild quest line should be VR14 as well, even if I picked it up at level 45.

VileDeeds77 · July 2015

Faulgor wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

All of these 3 set items would be "Level 1" and scale to your current level.

I think all quest reward items should be leveldynamic, meaning that they level with you. Not just scaled when you pick them up, but they continously scale as you level. When I'm VR14, I think my Prismatic Weapon from the Fighter Guild quest line should be VR14 as well, even if I picked it up at level 45.

I agree, its shouldn't be terribly hard to code that. They already have some of the ground work for that in scaled combat, and player level scaling for cyrodil.

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Moonshadow66 · July 2015

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Needs more Cadwell.

(Imagine it narrated by John Cleese, read as fast as you can and leave out the interpunction, and don't forget to laugh between sentences):

"You need more Cadwell, you say? Well, there is not much I could offer you except for travelling to the moons, haha! I haven't been there myself yet, but one time I had the chance to get very close to Masser when a Dremora kicked me in my hindquarters after we had a rather unpleasant argument about the meaning of Coldharbour. Unfortunately I missed the goal and had a hard landing back on the surface of Coldharbour directly next to an Ogrim family. I believe they were celebrating the birthday of their youngest. After this incidence I started wearing a frying pan on my head, you never know where you will lose your head next, right? Haha! I'm still feeling a little dizzy and even lunatic at times, but after all, this is a common side effect when you stay in Coldharbour for so long, so I can hardly blame the Dremora or the Ogrim family, well, can I?
Anyways, I happen to know a Dremora which could send you to Secunda within seconds, haha! He's a rather funny one of these dark fellows. I would say we'll all meet at midnight by the entrance of the Reaver Citadelle, then we will see if we can't get you a nice kick in your hindquarters. But don't forget to wear a frying pan, haha!"

That's how you get "more Cadwell" (-quests)

(Side note: English is a foreign language to me and I apologize for anything that sounds weird^^)