There was never a PvE only server in DAOC, they have added classic servers and some frontier adjustments for old school RvR. But thats it. Private shards don't count because its private ...

Here is the thing with ESO and motivation ...

1. Compare ESO scroll raid with DAOC Relic raid and you shake your head all day. (Effort , challenge factor, team spirit etc.)
2. Emperor switches several times a day because it doesnt really requires tactics or strategies.

Any type of objectives in ESO mean zerg because you can farm AP fast. This kind of motivation is as desgined and similar to GW 2 Karma trains including global alliance hopping. A killer for PvP with 3 factions because there is no identity or reason to fight for your realm/alliance. We could compare this again with outstanding DAOC PvP dungeon objectives like Darkness Falls and Shadow lab but this far off topic and I don't want DAOC 2 i just want AvA to be improved.

If they want to add motivation for "endgame PvP" players, one possibility is to "buy" active and passive skills from your PvP ranks. A complete redesign because it has nothing todo with Champion System or Alliance skill lines.

It doesn't matter if you have low rank or high rank people in the same zone like Cyrodiil because you cannot stop people from their individual improvement process of character development. Otherwise you would need to split people again and again dependent of their utility and skill. But these kind of restrictions are not necessary because RvR/AvA concepts have different objectives than Arena or Battleground instancing.

The thing is that the System must differ between PvE and PvP including sub categories like AvA, Arena, Battlegrounds to avoid imbalance. (We already have this discussion with champion points in Cyrodiil). Personally i am fine if my alt is getting his butt kicked by a 2000 CP guy in Cyrodiil but it wouldn't be ok in a Arena. I think its clear what i mean , you need rules for certain instance types without blocking the PvP progression of individual players and keep them motivated with a leveling kind of system. One reason why endgame PvP and RR concept in DAOC was succesful and why many got addicted to PvP because the leveling process never ended in a very interesting way and the whole system with pvp dungeons etc. kept players motivated for a very long time.

That was 10 years after release ... However it has nothing todo with my previous post.

The whole system is a head shot.
Whats the AvA strategy behind it, I assume we will find out in an announcement for upcoming announcements ...

Docmandu wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

That was 10 years after release ...

No.. that was 1 year after release.. created 12 december 2002, http://gaheris.net/p/timeline.html

The content it self but not the modified server with all the extras like disabled PvP you were talking about before.

Why is this important for this thread? Don't get it.

Bromburak wrote: »

There was never a PvE only server in DAOC, they have added classic servers and some frontier adjustments for old school RvR. But thats it. Private shards don't count because its private ...

Here is the thing with ESO and motivation ...

1. Compare ESO scroll raid with DAOC Relic raid and you shake your head all day. (Effort , challenge factor, team spirit etc.)
2. Emperor switches several times a day because it doesnt really requires tactics or strategies.

Any type of objectives in ESO mean zerg because you can farm AP fast. This kind of motivation is as desgined and similar to GW 2 Karma trains including global alliance hopping. A killer for PvP with 3 factions because there is no identity or reason to fight for your realm/alliance. We could compare this again with outstanding DAOC PvP dungeon objectives like Darkness Falls and Shadow lab but this far off topic and I don't want DAOC 2 i just want AvA to be improved.

If they want to add motivation for "endgame PvP" players, one possibility is to "buy" active and passive skills from your PvP ranks. A complete redesign because it has nothing todo with Champion System or Alliance skill lines.

It doesn't matter if you have low rank or high rank people in the same zone like Cyrodiil because you cannot stop people from their individual improvement process of character development. Otherwise you would need to split people again and again dependent of their utility and skill. But these kind of restrictions are not necessary because RvR/AvA concepts have different objectives than Arena or Battleground instancing.

The thing is that the System must differ between PvE and PvP including sub categories like AvA, Arena, Battlegrounds to avoid imbalance. (We already have this discussion with champion points in Cyrodiil). Personally i am fine if my alt is getting his butt kicked by a 2000 CP guy in Cyrodiil but it wouldn't be ok in a Arena. I think its clear what i mean , you need rules for certain instance types without blocking the PvP progression of individual players and keep them motivated with a leveling kind of system. One reason why endgame PvP and RR concept in DAOC was succesful and why many got addicted to PvP because the leveling process never ended in a very interesting way and the whole system with pvp dungeons etc. kept players motivated for a very long time.

I agree with this, wholly. And chasing that goal and the next one just added to the fun and gave you milestones to work towards earning. A small power creep really isn't as vitally important to have 100 percent "balanced" (quote-unquote) in a large scale open environment territory game as it is in an instanced 4 man arena like other games offer. Even then, skill, practice, and gear enter anyway and true game balance in and of itself is an ideal, not an obtainable reality. The few ways to make perfect balance in a game all result in pretty boring and static play. It is the variability and tactics that arise from jigsaw imbalance while having a strong argument as to it being balanced overall, that makes it fun to play. I still very much hope we see more meaning to the PVP ranks other than just currency.