I think the reason they are looking at changing this is more because of PvP than PvE, however, there are other ways to regain stamina while blocking other than natural regen.

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

I think the reason they are looking at changing this is more because of PvP than PvE, however, there are other ways to regain stamina while blocking other than natural regen.

Yeah I know shards, earthen heart passive, potions, etc. All thing that make you no longer self reliable or consistent.

They are changing the Serpent Mundus Stone to stamina regen which can help when not blocking I guess. Hmm, Blazing Spears and potion cooldown reduction enchants on jewelry for when you are blocking with a large stack of stam pots?

lathbury wrote: »

like i said drop block while your magma armor is up
and pop gdb

Magma armor does not proc that often, its a long fight even with good dps. Three axes swinging at the same time without block or magma armor cannot be saved with gdb. That's at 50% mitigation.

lathbury wrote: »

plus we dont know but maybe some big hvy armour block cost reduction sets are inbound as the idea is to stop block casting dps etc not nerf tanks

That would be nice, even though my block cost is already near zero.

Stalwart385 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

like i said drop block while your magma armor is up
and pop gdb

Magma armor does not proc that often, its a long fight even with good dps. Three axes swinging at the same time without block or magma armor cannot be saved with gdb. That's at 50% mitigation.

no you block when you dont have magma armour up and drop it to regen when you do. you will also have spears and pots to keep you in the game till magma is ready again

lathbury wrote: »

Stalwart385 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

like i said drop block while your magma armor is up
and pop gdb

Magma armor does not proc that often, its a long fight even with good dps. Three axes swinging at the same time without block or magma armor cannot be saved with gdb. That's at 50% mitigation.

no you block when you dont have magma armour up and drop it to regen when you do. you will also have spears and pots to keep you in the game till magma is ready again

Sounds nice in theory, but it is a lot of moving parts, requires someone else support when it didn't before and I doubt you can sustain such a tactic. Remember in the mean time you are still rotating taunts and managing buffs. It may look like the tank is sitting there just blocking but he is still managing a flight control center.

If they want to go to that direction, then there should be no magicka regen while blocking too, otherwise stamina players will be too disadvantaged with such a new game mechanics. Remember: stamina players use their stamina to both block AND deal damage.

But a much much better solution would be to reduce the damage dealt while blocking, instead of reducing the stamina regen.

Suru wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

I think the reason they are looking at changing this is more because of PvP than PvE, however, there are other ways to regain stamina while blocking other than natural regen.

THIS is very true. BUT I will never want to group with a healer who isnt a temp now(bye bye NB healers and other classes). Just make thes changes ONLY PvP, not PvE.

As a PVP player, I don't want the end of tanks in Cyrodiil either. Reduce damage dealt while blocking. Period.

Was looking forward to tanking, maybe not so much now

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

I think the reason they are looking at changing this is more because of PvP than PvE, however, there are other ways to regain stamina while blocking other than natural regen.

I actually have a bigger issue with this for PvP. I can't imagine the responsiveness being there for timed blocking. I already only hold block when I need to unless a whole group is piling on me and the latency isn't there for this method. I get knocked down by stuns, charges, shards all the time while holding block up. Not counting things like not being able to watch for something like streak from a sorc efficiently in hectic combat or the stun starting as soon as someone triggers charge at you (not when they get to you). If you are fighting more than one person at a time, forget about timing your blocks at that point. They have completely taken away the ability to tank in pvp, which can be a legitimate distraction for the enemy.

I guess I've never seen a very big deal for block casters in pvp, the guys that do it with staves and weapons mitigate minimal damage and still die pretty easily. The guys built for tanking put out very little damage and are usually no real threat (just annoying).

Personally I think maybe they should have done something like no regen for stam if you are blocking with anything but a shield and then maybe halved it for holding block with a shield. (At least as a starting point).

As it is, this is mostly going to benefit the zergs since you won't be able to time blocks on several at once and will have to either hold block - run out of stam - die, or just die b/c you aren't blocking. But that's what happens when you have meetings with pvp guilds that all run in 24 man groups and get your advice from them.

This also makes potions and drinks less useful as if you aren't able to regen a resource when you need it, then why bother (yes, I know you get the potion refill initially, but the boost for the next however many seconds to your regen won't matter so much now). If I'm going to rely on something else for regen like shards, repentance, siphoning, etc. then it makes the actual stat less useful. It also completely screws over a build that is more magicka based than stamina based as they have a smaller pool to work with to begin with (another 'win' for magicka builds).

xaraan wrote: »

But that's what happens when you have meetings with pvp guilds that all run in 24 man groups and get your advice from them.

Is this really what happens? They could have just asked me instead and I'd make ESO a better game in 1 week rather than introducing a bunch of controversial changes.

It really sucks that they are willing to nerf the hell out of tanks because dps toons using shields in pvp block while killing. No one in pvp fears a real tank. Oh look someone that does no damage ! quick panic! They should be making tanks stronger in pvp not weaker. Maybe if heavy armor had passives that allowed stam regen while blocking? Only while wearing a full set of heavy.

This kind of knee jerk nerf because of pvp has killed so many mmos in the past. Lets just hope they are not dumb enough to let this go through to live. But i wont hold my breath.

Tankqull wrote: »

i do not see the problems people have, shards every 6 seconds provides a hell lot of stamina, not to mention pots, evil hunter procs, class passives regranting stam etc... the only class with significant issues aint used as a tank anyway in endgame, sorcs.

no tank wants to be thrown shards and no templar wants to throw them.

Shards stopped being used for it's synergy in good raids during patch 1.4.

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

i do not see the problems people have, shards every 6 seconds provides a hell lot of stamina, not to mention pots, evil hunter procs, class passives regranting stam etc... the only class with significant issues aint used as a tank anyway in endgame, sorcs.

no tank wants to be thrown shards and no templar wants to throw them.

Shards stopped being used for it's synergy in good raids during patch 1.4.

looks like they are about to make a comeback