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This game needs an option to prevent unintenional stealing.
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ouijacom✭Seriously, I go up to talk to someone and my guy walks an extra foot because i tried to stop and then i press A and oops I just accidently stole something and now the guy who saw me is trying to kill me and i dont want to fight back because my bounty will only get higher and i cant open a door because now im in combat and im stuck inside a small house..Veteran Rank 14 (Stamina Templar) (XBOX 1)0 -
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For $450 you can build a rig that's better then both consoles and you would have access to mods and the PC community.Don't forget that we don't actually have to think about anything either. No mods, no complicated key strokes and no mouse. Plus everything pretty much comes prepackaged and we don't have to spend as much. Can you imagine a really good gaming rig for $450 bucks? I don't think so.
No you can't.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?0 -
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✭✭✭I agree with the sentiment here. I play some characters that are pretty hardcore thieves, they deserve a grey cowl. That being said, many items in the open world are too easily clicked and stolen when there was no intentionality for it. That's just bad game design. There is a similar issue between Lag, Looting, and Ultimates. Anyone who has ever played this game for a reasonable amount of time, and actually uses their Ultimates is aware of this. You click to loot something, and it brings up a list. You click 'R' (on PC) to loot that stack of items. Instead of looting though, your ultimate fires off because the game is lagged out or not replying to your commands properly. Why in the hell is looting even remotely related to your Ultimates? No one knows but its damn annoying. I mark this as the same kind of issue, and it really should be resolved, or at least we should be able to more openly remap our keyboard functions (and I think controller players should have that same kind of control). Let us play the way WE WANT TO. That is how the game was sold. :PUS/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
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Jinobe✭Are you guys serious? Well, for the ps4 version there is an option. I have it set to always ask before stealing items, there's even an option for attacking NPC's0
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Cernow✭✭✭✭Are you guys serious? Well, for the ps4 version there is an option. I have it set to always ask before stealing items, there's even an option for attacking NPC's
Try picking up a white item from near to a NPC around town. For example a weapon in a weapon rack at the blacksmith. I don't play on PS4 but if it's the same as the PC version you won't get asked if you want to steal it or not and will get a bounty if you're spotted.0 -
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✭✭No you can't.
Better then Xbox and at least on par if not slightly better then PS4. I did some research not long ago and if you don't count the monitor, keyboard, etc. $450 will get you a pretty good rig when shopping smart. I don't want to derail this thread into that highly debatable topic, just wanted to say that I was close to pulling the trigger on a $460 rig when the Xbox $125 deal fell into my lap.0 -
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✭✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »There is a way to prevent unintentional stealing:
Read before clicking, watch what are you doing, dont mash random buttons and pay attention to what is happening on screen.
All of above is a common sense which is unfortunately lacking nowadays .
I was gonna say that, but basically ... yes.
Play ... a little more slowly.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
I'm sorry but this is not about common sense at all. As I explained very clearly, some items are buggued, and if you mouse-over them, they do not appear stealable, but at certain camera angle, you can steal them. Which means, with a bit of common sense, that you can play slowly and being careful with them, and seeing they can't be picked assume this is a thing that will not change. So when you come back to cook for the tenth time in the day, you can be pretty confident about these items not being stealable.
The other thing that is "common sense": In which way such an option would disturb your game experience since you'd be able not to check it? I mean, this kind of logic just means "I don't want this, because I want other people to be annoyed just for the pleasure of them being annoyed."1 -
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✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »Pc master race? Then why are all of the best selling games on consoles? Hmm now that's a thinker right there.
Just because they released an mmo on pc first doesn't make you a master race. Just an easier to deal with race.
PCs are better than consoles. That's the point.
Kids buy up pretty much any game for consoles play them for a bit then buy another so comparing game sales is just silly.
Also, any game that is on console that has a pc counterpart pales in comparison 99 percent of the time. I only say 99 because there may be an acception but I'm not aware of any myself.
I like how your "pc master race" pic is some fat guy obviously living alone and I doubt has any friends outside of the pc game. I like it because when I read "pc master race", that's exactly what I think lol. Some overweight guy who's only friends are the other people touting pc master race.
Funny you don't know who he is so you don't get the joke. People who have high end PCs tend to make some pretty good money.
Don't hate, just appreciate.
He doesn't get it, @coryevans_3b14_ESO. Francis = best internet character to date.0 -
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✭It's very easy to accidentally steal owned items that are not in containers. IMO, it's a design flaw in the justice system, but thankfully at least PC players have access to an addon that prevents it.
Just ignore anyone that says things like "the system is fine" and "just be more careful", as they are simply the fanboys that will defend any piece of trash system that ZOS implements. They are probably the same people that argue that "the minimal UI is fine, and isn't missing any options that anyone else should want."
As for "PC Master Race" comments, if this game wasn't so unbearably broken without addons to fix it, we wouldn't have nearly as large an advantage as we do over console players.
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✭Another Justice SYstem complaint: don't put NPCs you have to fight for quests right next to innocent villager NPCs that wander into your fight, get hit, and then incur a bounty.
Example: I'm at Alcaire Castle fighting General Thodah's troops, a random NPC walks into the fight, gets hit by my Bitting Jabs, and suddenly I'm a wanted man -_-Edited by Lord_Draevan on July 2, 2015 2:17PMI'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server0 -
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✭Lord_Draevan wrote: »Another Justice SYstem complaint: don't put NPCs you have to fight for quests right next to innocent villager NPCs that wander into your fight, get hit, and then incur a bounty.
Example: I'm at Alcaire Castle fighting General Thodah's troops, a random NPC walks into the fight, gets hit by my Bitting Jabs, and suddenly I'm a wanted man -_-
Sorry man but this really is a L2P moment.
Aim for who you want to aim for. Problem solved.0 -
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✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »
Not sure I'd use that meme for representation of a master of anything, except for perhaps overeating.
Edited by GreySix on July 2, 2015 2:38PMCrotchety Old Man Guild
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coryevans_3b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »
Not sure I'd use that meme for representation of a master of anything, except for perhaps overeating.
L2 intwerwebs bro. It's who that person is that makes it funny.0 -
Lord_Draevan✭✭✭✭✭
✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »Lord_Draevan wrote: »Another Justice SYstem complaint: don't put NPCs you have to fight for quests right next to innocent villager NPCs that wander into your fight, get hit, and then incur a bounty.
Example: I'm at Alcaire Castle fighting General Thodah's troops, a random NPC walks into the fight, gets hit by my Bitting Jabs, and suddenly I'm a wanted man -_-
Sorry man but this really is a L2P moment.
Aim for who you want to aim for. Problem solved.
I'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »L2 intwerwebs bro.
What? Is that some sort of strange new kid-speak or something?Crotchety Old Man Guild
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✭✭I would certainly be in favor of a "No Stealing" option in ESO. One time I was trying to interact with something that wasn't stealing related and a NPC came along and actually pushed me a few inches in one direction just about the same time I clicked the mouse. Some items can be taken with just one click and so of course I ended up stealing something I didn't want to. I wasn't being careless as some of you imply. And no, I'm not a anti-Legerdemain zealot. I have a Level 20 thief that's very good at it
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It's very easy to accidentally steal owned items that are not in containers. IMO, it's a design flaw in the justice system, but thankfully at least PC players have access to an addon that prevents it.
Just ignore anyone that says things like "the system is fine" and "just be more careful", as they are simply the fanboys that will defend any piece of trash system that ZOS implements. They are probably the same people that argue that "the minimal UI is fine, and isn't missing any options that anyone else should want."
As for "PC Master Race" comments, if this game wasn't so unbearably broken without addons to fix it, we wouldn't have nearly as large an advantage as we do over console players.
Well I'm a big fan, almost fanboy of The Elder Scrolls in every forms it can take (I'm excited about Elder Scrolls Legends
) but I can tell when something isn't quite right and propose a reasonable solution to fix it.
Anyway I don't quite see what PC Master Race has to do with this topic, since this game exists on both PC and consoles and suffer the exact same flaws and bright for the exact same reasons. I own this game on both Xbox One and PC and I prefer PC for only one simple reason: I don't have to deal with 12 years old on public voice chat, but this put aside, it's the exact same game.0 -
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The PC angle began, when we started discussing add-ons, which consoles cannot install.SmashingQuasar wrote: »Anyway I don't quite see what PC Master Race has to do with this topic, since this game exists on both PC and consoles and suffer the exact same flaws and bright for the exact same reasons.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Divinius✭✭✭✭✭
✭SmashingQuasar wrote: »Anyway I don't quite see what PC Master Race has to do with this topic, since this game exists on both PC and consoles and suffer the exact same flaws and bright for the exact same reasons. I own this game on both Xbox One and PC and I prefer PC for only one simple reason: I don't have to deal with 12 years old on public voice chat, but this put aside, it's the exact same game.
That's was basically my point. The two versions are very similar. With the possible exception of the facepalm-inducingly stupid lack of text chat in the console version, the only real advantage PC players have over console players in this game is the ability to use addons.
And if the game wasn't so desperately dependent on addons to be playable (for most people), that major PC advantage would no longer be a major advantage.0 -
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✭"Anyway I don't quite see what PC Master Race has to do with this topic"
As long as topis is in "Genera discussionl" and not in "Console discussion" PC Master Race will have everything to do with that topic.0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
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Don't forget that we don't actually have to think about anything either. No mods, no complicated key strokes and no mouse. Plus everything pretty much comes prepackaged and we don't have to spend as much. Can you imagine a really good gaming rig for $450 bucks? I don't think so.
This is true, cannot imagine a really good gaming rig for $450.
For example: consoles cost $450.
OP, if you are on PC get the add on.
If you are on console...jiggle the thumbstick a little more carefully."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Nisto✭wait a few second before hitting x, a, e or try to look up when jumping over things so that nothing could be targeted and mistakenly steal or activate something u didnt want to happen, i hate that too been like that in past elder scroll games too0
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LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭There is an option to turn off the auto loot stolen item. Same for attacking innocents.....0 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's very easy to accidentally steal owned items that are not in containers.
Well. I think it's more of an if/ then thing.
If you are playing "quickly", then small things that require finesse will be harder for you.
I can't count the number of times that my BF has had problems with going off a cliff on his flaming horse. Every single one of them has been when he's in the middle of "high speed leveling" galloping his *ss off, using a spell to augment his already maxed out speed.
Playing in a non-spazz state, this doesn't happen.
Same with other subtle things.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »Pc master race? Then why are all of the best selling games on consoles? Hmm now that's a thinker right there.
Just because they released an mmo on pc first doesn't make you a master race. Just an easier to deal with race.
PCs are better than consoles. That's the point.
Kids buy up pretty much any game for consoles play them for a bit then buy another so comparing game sales is just silly.
Also, any game that is on console that has a pc counterpart pales in comparison 99 percent of the time. I only say 99 because there may be an acception but I'm not aware of any myself.
PC is not far and away better than console. I have so many issues trying to get games to run on PC. And it's not because I have an inferior machine. But making sure the operating system and all your drivers are compatible, it's a freaking hassle.
I used to so heavily prefer PC gaming over consoles, but not anymore. Virtually every game style out there in existence I have migrated away from the PC and to the console.0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
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For $450 you can build a rig that's better then both consoles and you would have access to mods and the PC community.Don't forget that we don't actually have to think about anything either. No mods, no complicated key strokes and no mouse. Plus everything pretty much comes prepackaged and we don't have to spend as much. Can you imagine a really good gaming rig for $450 bucks? I don't think so.
Mods, cool. The PC Community? Nah. I need sun and fresh air.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
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For $450 you can build a rig that's better then both consoles and you would have access to mods and the PC community.Don't forget that we don't actually have to think about anything either. No mods, no complicated key strokes and no mouse. Plus everything pretty much comes prepackaged and we don't have to spend as much. Can you imagine a really good gaming rig for $450 bucks? I don't think so.
Mods, cool. The PC Community? Nah. I need sun and fresh air.
Besides, I know nothing about building a PC and I have absolutely no interest in learning. Too bad I can't just buy one for that.
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