Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Its very simple, play ESO to find out if you can enjoy this game and have fun with the community.
A judging review cannot give you any of this experience ...

and indeed, I am. Since I am enjoying it so far, I found it hard to believe the negativity. So I posted, seeing what I could find out

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Well after making this post I can see mixed feelings and reviews. Some of you judge the game 1 hour in, some play the game for 300 hours. Me and my friend are level 18, enjoying the content, and I informed him about the general opinion that the game falls short at level 50, offering hardly any content that falls under the category of "end-game." We can all agree that Bethesda and Zenimax Studios are much different from Blizzard or Bioware. I'm beginning to think that it's just part of their own style. EVery time I play a game the players and community feel as though they can make the game 100% better just by fixing this, or adding that. But, perhaps it is style that Zenimax maintains here. This is their own game. They're aware of your concerns, but it isn't your game and if you simply wanna pout like a *** about it then leave the game. Don't come back. Quit tarnishing my post with ridiculous comments saying you played the game for 2 hours and left because you found something you didn't like. Honestly, one of you guys said that you played the game for 1 hour, another 2 hours, and then judged the game insanely critically after that. I'm question humanity as whole after I read that crap.

But, anyway. This thread got way more attention than I imagined. I'm slowly learning that the gaming community is a bunch of whiney *** who pout when they don't get what they want. Style is what will differentiate one game from another.

One thing I learned from this thread is the identity crisis. That was insightful, and I marked insightful on the posts. Me and my friend were talking about the end-game while playing, because him and I went through some rigorous WoW content and typically compare most of the games we play to WoW - within the MMO genre of course. It seemed easy to assume that even at our current level of 18 I could suspect that the end-game might fall short. The Zenimax has designed games is to give the player a long, thoughtful and intense ride until it suddenly ends when you have no more quests. Skyrim is the immediate comparison. The game is great for anybody who wants to play a single character for 200+ hours. I personally logged about 800 hours in Skyrim, on two different consoles. I love it. but it did fall short once you were done. There was no reason to continue playing past level 60 really, seeing as I bumped it to Master at level 40. ESO may face the same problem, categorizing itself as a single player experience. But, I trust this game developer. Why? Because every game I've ever played under them is amazing. NEver been let down. Now, they have an immense amount of pressure because there are millions of little whiners like you guys out there demanding this, demanding that, stomping your feet and pouting like a ***, and they're trying to please all of you. Honestly, just screw. I don't wanna play this game that I enjoy with people like you. You aren't a healthy gaming community, go play a game that satisfies every nook and cranny of your sophisticated, rigid, fancy. Oh wait - there isn't a game remotely like that is there? daaaamn, back to complaining it is.

It would seem I couldn't make a reply to this thread without addressing and bashing the haters and whiners. You guys continue to amaze me, and I assume that some, but very few, of you will get a job designing a game. If at the point in your life you do, come back to this thread and tell us about your game. Tell me what you did, what you promised, what you intended. I wanna' know.

Using decriptions like you did makes you look very immature honestly (just a tip you know). Thinking you are more predestined to judge the game than people that were more or less frequently playing this game for more than a year makes you look pretencious (again just a tip). Trying to insult people without being too explict is an art in itself - another tip - dont try it you dont have it in you.

On the topic. Game has many qualities. Has also many frustrating issues that for some tend to overshadow quailties. Many other people (me included) were hopeing for something more innovative since there is a big arse budget and a great franchize. What we got is standard theme park MMO with nice graphics and fully voiced. Not everyone was expecting this, therefore very mixed reviews.

Ha wow, okay. Did you read anything past the first paragraph I wrote? And even in the first paragraph, and the whole post even, I very clearly targeted the people who said they played the game for an hour and complained. I didn't address the people playing for a year. They don't need to be addressed in my particular post because they've been playing the game for a year, so I'm assuming that means they like the game...

Like what are you trying to do now? Are you trying to be mean to me through a forum calling me pretentious after I call out people who judge the game before they even get to level 10?

I assume you think that I think I'm more "predestined" to judge a game because I highlighted my experience in previous games, or because I can spell my words correctly and you can't. Your "just a tip" stuff is dumb when you can't spell your words right, and when it is altogether information that isn't even relevant to what I said. You basically just made a post that makes it look like I said people who are veteran players in this game, and hate it, don't know what they're talking about. But even then, you addressed people who played the game for an entire YEAR, which means they probably enjoy the game to more than one degree. My target in that post is the players who logged one or two hours and judged the game because something meager didn't appease their fancy. That crap is annoying, like who are those people to be so swift?

So now that I've made this post, what do you have for me now?

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

A good bit of negativity also comes from people not knowing when to put something down and walk away from it for a while. They get upset it doesnt have X, Y and Z and instead of telling themselves that theyll wait and see if those things are added. They continue to play and with each passing day they let that disappointment fester into hatred and anger and then turn around and basically overexaggerate the games flaws.

Ixtyr wrote: »

I'm looking at you, Angry Joe.

Gamertaglemieux wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

I'm looking at you, Angry Joe.

Is all you needed to say right there.

Angry Joe is just a worthless gimmick that attracts nothing but 10 year olds that think he is cool cause he swears and yells. Basically resurrecting the shtick of the late Sam Kinison but applying it to gaming.

Angry Joe is ruining gaming, I believe. Much like the "MLG" *cough* *cough* crowd is doing. *cough* *cough* "MLG" gamers are all about finding any little glitch or exploit they can find then call themselves "skilled gamers". They are pretty much the Tom Shadys and Bill Belicheats of the gaming world. Complete jokes.

Bottom line is ESO is a great game. It does a lot well and is trying to improve where it needs to.

Really not ask for any more than that.

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

So I am really digging this game and so is my friend. This MMO is very well done, and that's coming from a 2007-2011 WoW player, and some of Mists as well. I hit WoW very hard and enjoyed the raiding content, showing up and leading raids from 7p-12a five nights a week...it was a job basically. This game is giving me a good bit of satisfaction so far, and I'm on PS4. Also, combat mechanics and speccing characters is very in depth and important, bringing tons of strategy and theory-crafting. But, I have one question: Why is ESO getting bad reviews? I'm curious if reviewers actually play MMO's past level 10 even, or 20. Do reviewers legitimately play a MMO, raid and do everything to even a slight degree, or do they scratch the surface and base their review on that?

If you have actually got raiding experience as you say, then you will need to come back here and visit your own remarks once you get to end game content in this game - such as it is. I have been here since beta, and can tell you the 1-50 game is not the issue. For those of us still waiting for something other than grinding champion points and rolling alts to fiddle with, the game got stale quite a while ago. My own solution was to re-roll onto EU from NA and re-experience the game there with other folks as a diversion until (and IF) such time as we actually get the repeatedly promised and repeatedly delayed updates to vet level content, itemization, PvP, etc.

Yeah I have experienced very high level, competitive content on WoW. The things I did on that game I would find hard for a lot of the player base I see running around on MMO's today. Me and my friend have been wondering about whether the end-game will fall short in this game. To read your comment solidifying the idea scares me

I played on a top 10 world kills guild in WoW, so I think I may relate to you.

Let's say this: I am glad you are enjoying ESO. Take it easy, level very slow, enjoy every inch of nice scenery and quests you got. Because once you'll be VR12 level, the game basically ends and the enjoyment becomes a bitter realization about how HUGE could ESO have been if its end-game followed the Level 1-50 premises instead of being basically non-existant.

What you'll do at VR12+ (unless you enjoy PvPing a lot), could be: run one absolutely trivial and linear 4 men instance you can complete in 15 minutes (sometimes less). If unlucky, you may group with randoms and then suddenly the same instance becomes 3 hours of torture.

Then you have a nicely done Arena (perhaps the most replayable content in game), that is a multi-stage arena-type PvE encounter where you have to defeat a number of waves till a mini-boss and after all the mini-bosses you defeat a decently enjoyable final boss.

Then you have two excruciantly easy, dumb, boring and quick "raid" instances. Some groups take less than 15 minutes to clear them, so imagine which kind of "depth" you'll find: none whatsoever. 3-4 linear bosses with no off-tanking or anything tactical. My ESO heavily casual guild cleared Aetherian Archive (one of these intances) in about half afternoon without ever having done it before. To add insult to injury, the gear drops are exclusively "deconstruct" material. Zenimax re-balanced how stats work in game but left all the raid drops unchanged so now they are basically useless.

Finally you have a decent "raid" instance, Sanctum Ophidia, where once your guild figures out how to clear the first boss you are basically done.

That's it and no instances have been added since around September 2014.

You might think: "well, not so bad, in WoW too they take their time to release new content". However you'll find out that unlike WoW, these instances - if approached by a good level raiding guild like many in WoW, are really a matter of *1* week or 2 tops, before you cleared all of them. And then you get all bored to tears and your guild mates all quit like they did for all the good raiding guilds I have known in ESO.


So, really enjoy and slowly taste your trip to max level, because it's there that ESO shines.

Good to know. Pretty good information there. I'm gonna' assume by what you said about your WoW experience that you're probably a very good player at this game, and you play with good players, hence the quick clearing of content. Or, was it honestly just simply that easy?