Why the poor ratings?

coryevans_3b14_ESO

There's a large part of the gaming population (within TES fans) that never played the game and rush to give it bad reviews because it isn't skyrim 2. There was an actual campaign to do this. They still do it.


Non professional review where it doesn't show someone playing the game cannot be trusted one bit.

Dredlord

Makkir wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

reviewers are not in the business of giving a fair, honest, and completely legitimate review of any title they look at. They're in the business of entertaining and captivating their audience to generate as much traffic as possible, since that generates them revenue. Knee-jerk reactions and hopping on a bandwagon to find something to hate or get angry about in a new title helps to get and keep the attention of a large audience - while being fair, honest, and completely transparent is boring. It's no different than any media outlet, and it's an extension of our own poor behavior as consumers. Unfortunate, but true.

Spot on. I've pointed this out myself in similar threads. Angry Joe is a perfect example. He wouldn't have nearly as much publicity if his show was called "Happy Joe".

In many cases, these are the same reviewers who walk into Burger King and give it 1 Star because they don't sell firecracker shrimp.

Zadaris2021

Bromburak wrote: »

Its very simple, play ESO to find out if you can enjoy this game and have fun with the community.
A judging review cannot give you any of this experience ...

and indeed, I am. Since I am enjoying it so far, I found it hard to believe the negativity. So I posted, seeing what I could find out

Korah_Eaglecry

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Its very simple, play ESO to find out if you can enjoy this game and have fun with the community.
A judging review cannot give you any of this experience ...

and indeed, I am. Since I am enjoying it so far, I found it hard to believe the negativity. So I posted, seeing what I could find out

A good bit of negativity also comes from people not knowing when to put something down and walk away from it for a while. They get upset it doesnt have X, Y and Z and instead of telling themselves that theyll wait and see if those things are added. They continue to play and with each passing day they let that disappointment fester into hatred and anger and then turn around and basically overexaggerate the games flaws.

Molsondry

Review are bad for several reason.

1: Buggy

2: broken pvp

3: Lack of new content (its been a year)

4: Broken CP system that reward mindless mobs Grinding.

5: PVP lag and exploit

6: 1 year left over bug

7: Did I say buggy?

8: Broken Leaderboard pve system who is always topped by a hand of players thus preventing other player from the top reward. This system also reward CP mindless grinder.

9: Lack of content new content.

10 : Squechy combat system with broken cancel animation that leads to macroing and exploit and server lag.(bad coding again)

11: Did I say it? lack of content

This game turned into a Diablo3 mindless grinding (cp system) game wich break every pvp aspect and breaks pve leader board.

And the only pvp available is a zerging fest lag. Atleast for me there nothing fun there coming from 2.2k arena players . Its just a whole damn mess of lag exploits and zerging , 0 skill involved.

MrSuplex

I was surprised at the relatively low scores as well. Barring some (expected) technical issues at launch and a few relatively minor design gripes (Guild Trader system I'm looking at you), I think this game is excellent. I've really, really enjoyed my time so far and the game was worth every penny I paid.

GreySix

Hmmm, a common theme: Those still playing Levels 1-50 appear to be enjoying the game.

Those beyond Sir Pot-on-Head's silver and gold quests, not so much.

sadownik

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Well after making this post I can see mixed feelings and reviews. Some of you judge the game 1 hour in, some play the game for 300 hours. Me and my friend are level 18, enjoying the content, and I informed him about the general opinion that the game falls short at level 50, offering hardly any content that falls under the category of "end-game." We can all agree that Bethesda and Zenimax Studios are much different from Blizzard or Bioware. I'm beginning to think that it's just part of their own style. EVery time I play a game the players and community feel as though they can make the game 100% better just by fixing this, or adding that. But, perhaps it is style that Zenimax maintains here. This is their own game. They're aware of your concerns, but it isn't your game and if you simply wanna pout like a *** about it then leave the game. Don't come back. Quit tarnishing my post with ridiculous comments saying you played the game for 2 hours and left because you found something you didn't like. Honestly, one of you guys said that you played the game for 1 hour, another 2 hours, and then judged the game insanely critically after that. I'm question humanity as whole after I read that crap.

But, anyway. This thread got way more attention than I imagined. I'm slowly learning that the gaming community is a bunch of whiney *** who pout when they don't get what they want. Style is what will differentiate one game from another.

One thing I learned from this thread is the identity crisis. That was insightful, and I marked insightful on the posts. Me and my friend were talking about the end-game while playing, because him and I went through some rigorous WoW content and typically compare most of the games we play to WoW - within the MMO genre of course. It seemed easy to assume that even at our current level of 18 I could suspect that the end-game might fall short. The Zenimax has designed games is to give the player a long, thoughtful and intense ride until it suddenly ends when you have no more quests. Skyrim is the immediate comparison. The game is great for anybody who wants to play a single character for 200+ hours. I personally logged about 800 hours in Skyrim, on two different consoles. I love it. but it did fall short once you were done. There was no reason to continue playing past level 60 really, seeing as I bumped it to Master at level 40. ESO may face the same problem, categorizing itself as a single player experience. But, I trust this game developer. Why? Because every game I've ever played under them is amazing. NEver been let down. Now, they have an immense amount of pressure because there are millions of little whiners like you guys out there demanding this, demanding that, stomping your feet and pouting like a ***, and they're trying to please all of you. Honestly, just screw. I don't wanna play this game that I enjoy with people like you. You aren't a healthy gaming community, go play a game that satisfies every nook and cranny of your sophisticated, rigid, fancy. Oh wait - there isn't a game remotely like that is there? daaaamn, back to complaining it is.

It would seem I couldn't make a reply to this thread without addressing and bashing the haters and whiners. You guys continue to amaze me, and I assume that some, but very few, of you will get a job designing a game. If at the point in your life you do, come back to this thread and tell us about your game. Tell me what you did, what you promised, what you intended. I wanna' know.

Using decriptions like you did makes you look very immature honestly (just a tip you know). Thinking you are more predestined to judge the game than people that were more or less frequently playing this game for more than a year makes you look pretencious (again just a tip). Trying to insult people without being too explict is an art in itself - another tip - dont try it you dont have it in you.

On the topic. Game has many qualities. Has also many frustrating issues that for some tend to overshadow quailties. Many other people (me included) were hopeing for something more innovative since there is a big arse budget and a great franchize. What we got is standard theme park MMO with nice graphics and fully voiced. Not everyone was expecting this, therefore very mixed reviews.

Ha wow, okay. Did you read anything past the first paragraph I wrote? And even in the first paragraph, and the whole post even, I very clearly targeted the people who said they played the game for an hour and complained. I didn't address the people playing for a year. They don't need to be addressed in my particular post because they've been playing the game for a year, so I'm assuming that means they like the game...

Like what are you trying to do now? Are you trying to be mean to me through a forum calling me pretentious after I call out people who judge the game before they even get to level 10?

I assume you think that I think I'm more "predestined" to judge a game because I highlighted my experience in previous games, or because I can spell my words correctly and you can't. Your "just a tip" stuff is dumb when you can't spell your words right, and when it is altogether information that isn't even relevant to what I said. You basically just made a post that makes it look like I said people who are veteran players in this game, and hate it, don't know what they're talking about. But even then, you addressed people who played the game for an entire YEAR, which means they probably enjoy the game to more than one degree. My target in that post is the players who logged one or two hours and judged the game because something meager didn't appease their fancy. That crap is annoying, like who are those people to be so swift?

So now that I've made this post, what do you have for me now?

Thank you for spending that much time to respond.

i must say that i did take those lines of yours quite presonally since you were typing them in response to my message:

"Sadly i have read all your messages. Please do correct me They're aware of your concerns, but it isn't your game and if you simply wanna pout like a *** about it then leave the game. Don't come back. Quit tarnishing my post with ridiculous comments saying you played the game for 2 hours and left because you found something you didn't like. Honestly, one of you guys said that you played the game for 1 hour, another 2 hours, and then judged the game insanely critically after that. I'm question humanity as whole after I read that crap."

This fragment alone shows how much you dont know about reviews and players in general and ESO particulary. Im sorry to say but you seem to have a firm vision of what reviews should be - dont speak no evil. If so then you couldnt be more wrong. Reviews are subjective, and as long as the argument is well motivated you cant dismiss them just because you dont like it.

Furthermore you seem to planning some kind of career in that business. Your swing at Angry Joe in that light seems completely understandable. So good luck with that.

People can judge the game after 0.5 h, but i agree we should require professionals to spend a little more time. On the other hand some could say "you are lvl 20? STFU you have no idea about the game! You havent seen even 10 % of it so stop judging it!" so the reality is its all about the motivated arguments.

Zershar_Vemod

GreySix wrote: »

Hmmm, a common theme: Those still playing Levels 1-50 appear to be enjoying the game.

Those beyond Sir Pot-on-Head's silver and gold quests, not so much.

Hence why one of the questions I asked the OP was about what level they and their friends were - especially Craglorn.

GreySix

I can recall how blown away by ESO my wife and I were during the PC beta. We couldn't find enough time to play together.

... memories.

DenMoria

wolfydog wrote: »

Overall I don't really have any issues with the game. Its solid overall.

The main thing I want to see done is the map starting to get filled out. I want more skyrim, morrowind, elseywr etc.

And of course more end game content., justice system finished.

I don't really care about imperial city to much, pvp is like the least important thing to me in MMO's. I do feel overall if ESO was deisigned with PVE in mind and not having this rubbish 3 faction war and all it probably could have been a much better game overall.

Im fine with battleground style pvp, open world doesn tmatter to me.

I get the feeling that you just like to kill other players. I am now officially scared.

Bromburak

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

A good bit of negativity also comes from people not knowing when to put something down and walk away from it for a while. They get upset it doesnt have X, Y and Z and instead of telling themselves that theyll wait and see if those things are added. They continue to play and with each passing day they let that disappointment fester into hatred and anger and then turn around and basically overexaggerate the games flaws.

Well thats what they do with any game.

Best example is WoW , they have played it for years and had fun with it but they never talk about this time.
They focus on making it bad including other members of their old community ...

This type of hoppers are the worst in any community and might be part of your guild next until they switch to a different game and do the same thing there. They are not reliable and no enrichment for any guild ...

Just ignore them instantly everything else makes no sense and is waste of your time.

Gamertaglemieux

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

So I am really digging this game and so is my friend. This MMO is very well done, and that's coming from a 2007-2011 WoW player, and some of Mists as well. I hit WoW very hard and enjoyed the raiding content, showing up and leading raids from 7p-12a five nights a week...it was a job basically. This game is giving me a good bit of satisfaction so far, and I'm on PS4. Also, combat mechanics and speccing characters is very in depth and important, bringing tons of strategy and theory-crafting. But, I have one question: Why is ESO getting bad reviews? I'm curious if reviewers actually play MMO's past level 10 even, or 20. Do reviewers legitimately play a MMO, raid and do everything to even a slight degree, or do they scratch the surface and base their review on that?

Haters.

Really only explanation. I am enjoying this game a lot. Stopped my playing Witcher 3 in one night and I love Witcher 3 as well.

Gamertaglemieux

Ixtyr wrote: »

I'm looking at you, Angry Joe.

Is all you needed to say right there.

Angry Joe is just a worthless gimmick that attracts nothing but 10 year olds that think he is cool cause he swears and yells. Basically resurrecting the shtick of the late Sam Kinison but applying it to gaming.

Angry Joe is ruining gaming, I believe. Much like the "MLG" *cough* *cough* crowd is doing. *cough* *cough* "MLG" gamers are all about finding any little glitch or exploit they can find then call themselves "skilled gamers". They are pretty much the Tom Shadys and Bill Belicheats of the gaming world. Complete jokes.

Bottom line is ESO is a great game. It does a lot well and is trying to improve where it needs to.

Really not ask for any more than that.

OzJohnD

I dread achieving V10 and pothead gold .... I have a number of alts that I play with to procrastinate over getting my V9.5 to V10

sadownik

Gamertaglemieux wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

I'm looking at you, Angry Joe.

Is all you needed to say right there.

Angry Joe is just a worthless gimmick that attracts nothing but 10 year olds that think he is cool cause he swears and yells. Basically resurrecting the shtick of the late Sam Kinison but applying it to gaming.

Angry Joe is ruining gaming, I believe. Much like the "MLG" *cough* *cough* crowd is doing. *cough* *cough* "MLG" gamers are all about finding any little glitch or exploit they can find then call themselves "skilled gamers". They are pretty much the Tom Shadys and Bill Belicheats of the gaming world. Complete jokes.

Bottom line is ESO is a great game. It does a lot well and is trying to improve where it needs to.

Really not ask for any more than that.

Angry joe is childish its true, but his eso but please tell me where he was wrong in eso review?

Wifeaggro13

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

So I am really digging this game and so is my friend. This MMO is very well done, and that's coming from a 2007-2011 WoW player, and some of Mists as well. I hit WoW very hard and enjoyed the raiding content, showing up and leading raids from 7p-12a five nights a week...it was a job basically. This game is giving me a good bit of satisfaction so far, and I'm on PS4. Also, combat mechanics and speccing characters is very in depth and important, bringing tons of strategy and theory-crafting. But, I have one question: Why is ESO getting bad reviews? I'm curious if reviewers actually play MMO's past level 10 even, or 20. Do reviewers legitimately play a MMO, raid and do everything to even a slight degree, or do they scratch the surface and base their review on that?

The leveling content is quite enjoyable and very organic. The game falls to pieces for MMO players in the VR . going form VR 1 to 14 is a mind numbing grind. by the time you hit the group dungeon end game its been burned out through your VR progress. The itemization is poor, reward system is far far to linear and the champion system is not very well implemented. To many points with little impact past a certain point. the End game is shallow and easy.

Vahrokh

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

So I am really digging this game and so is my friend. This MMO is very well done, and that's coming from a 2007-2011 WoW player, and some of Mists as well. I hit WoW very hard and enjoyed the raiding content, showing up and leading raids from 7p-12a five nights a week...it was a job basically. This game is giving me a good bit of satisfaction so far, and I'm on PS4. Also, combat mechanics and speccing characters is very in depth and important, bringing tons of strategy and theory-crafting. But, I have one question: Why is ESO getting bad reviews? I'm curious if reviewers actually play MMO's past level 10 even, or 20. Do reviewers legitimately play a MMO, raid and do everything to even a slight degree, or do they scratch the surface and base their review on that?

If you have actually got raiding experience as you say, then you will need to come back here and visit your own remarks once you get to end game content in this game - such as it is. I have been here since beta, and can tell you the 1-50 game is not the issue. For those of us still waiting for something other than grinding champion points and rolling alts to fiddle with, the game got stale quite a while ago. My own solution was to re-roll onto EU from NA and re-experience the game there with other folks as a diversion until (and IF) such time as we actually get the repeatedly promised and repeatedly delayed updates to vet level content, itemization, PvP, etc.

Yeah I have experienced very high level, competitive content on WoW. The things I did on that game I would find hard for a lot of the player base I see running around on MMO's today. Me and my friend have been wondering about whether the end-game will fall short in this game. To read your comment solidifying the idea scares me

I played on a top 10 world kills guild in WoW, so I think I may relate to you.

Let's say this: I am glad you are enjoying ESO. Take it easy, level very slow, enjoy every inch of nice scenery and quests you got. Because once you'll be VR12 level, the game basically ends and the enjoyment becomes a bitter realization about how HUGE could ESO have been if its end-game followed the Level 1-50 premises instead of being basically non-existant.

What you'll do at VR12+ (unless you enjoy PvPing a lot), could be: run one absolutely trivial and linear 4 men instance you can complete in 15 minutes (sometimes less). If unlucky, you may group with randoms and then suddenly the same instance becomes 3 hours of torture.

Then you have a nicely done Arena (perhaps the most replayable content in game), that is a multi-stage arena-type PvE encounter where you have to defeat a number of waves till a mini-boss and after all the mini-bosses you defeat a decently enjoyable final boss.

Then you have two excruciantly easy, dumb, boring and quick "raid" instances. Some groups take less than 15 minutes to clear them, so imagine which kind of "depth" you'll find: none whatsoever. 3-4 linear bosses with no off-tanking or anything tactical. My ESO heavily casual guild cleared Aetherian Archive (one of these intances) in about half afternoon without ever having done it before. To add insult to injury, the gear drops are exclusively "deconstruct" material. Zenimax re-balanced how stats work in game but left all the raid drops unchanged so now they are basically useless.

Finally you have a decent "raid" instance, Sanctum Ophidia, where once your guild figures out how to clear the first boss you are basically done.

That's it and no instances have been added since around September 2014.

You might think: "well, not so bad, in WoW too they take their time to release new content". However you'll find out that unlike WoW, these instances - if approached by a good level raiding guild like many in WoW, are really a matter of *1* week or 2 tops, before you cleared all of them. And then you get all bored to tears and your guild mates all quit like they did for all the good raiding guilds I have known in ESO.


So, really enjoy and slowly taste your trip to max level, because it's there that ESO shines.

Good to know. Pretty good information there. I'm gonna' assume by what you said about your WoW experience that you're probably a very good player at this game, and you play with good players, hence the quick clearing of content. Or, was it honestly just simply that easy?

I found it almost "that easy".
I am now 44 old, and am a former shadow of my WoW raiding abilities.
My guild mates and I play in a quite "relaxed" social guild. You know, the kind where half people level up alts, some PvP and a dozen play raids twice a week, changing participants and specs just because. When we cleaned up AA in an afternoon, 9 were VR14 level, one VR 12 and 2 VR13. That is, we were not even all max level and you know, max level is where people start getting good gear.

That's all it takes to quickly clean up content in ESO. In fact, ESO had several "hard core" PvE guilds but since content is so easy and gets released so seldom, they mostly disbanded. In ESO you can find people LFG a PUG to do the so called "Hard mode" version of the trials. In WoW you used to be able to do that after the next expansion or two, when people outlevelled the instances.