Why the poor ratings?

TheBull · July 2015

I haven't seen a bad review in over a year. Mind linking OP?

metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited

PS4 Player score of 8.2.
XBox PLayer score of 8.9
PC 9.4

Seems it's being extremely well received.

sadownik · July 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

xeneblaze wrote: »

I am enjoying it very much on console but I cant see that I will be playing it long term considering what I've read about post level 50 content. Is it really just grinding levels again but in the other factions? That doesn't sound good at all.

MMOs are all about grinding. However, personally, I like the fact that I get to play through ALL three faction quest lines with one character. Unlike other MMOs where you have to grind the SAME, EXACT mission over and over and over again- I'm talking about you DCUO- ESO at least gives you tons of different, individual quests to further your leveling.

Sadly those tons of different, individual quests start looking awfuly similar to eachother. You dont feel it that much in 1-50. You develope your character, you ding a lvl pretty regulary so it helps too. Vet zones are vast empty spaces with the quests that give you constant deja vu and by the time you reach them you have the character mostly build.

wolfydog · July 2015

Overall I don't really have any issues with the game. Its solid overall.

The main thing I want to see done is the map starting to get filled out. I want more skyrim, morrowind, elseywr etc.

And of course more end game content., justice system finished.

I don't really care about imperial city to much, pvp is like the least important thing to me in MMO's. I do feel overall if ESO was deisigned with PVE in mind and not having this rubbish 3 faction war and all it probably could have been a much better game overall.

Im fine with battleground style pvp, open world doesn tmatter to me.

eventide03b14a_ESO · July 2015

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

So I am really digging this game and so is my friend. This MMO is very well done, and that's coming from a 2007-2011 WoW player, and some of Mists as well. I hit WoW very hard and enjoyed the raiding content, showing up and leading raids from 7p-12a five nights a week...it was a job basically. This game is giving me a good bit of satisfaction so far, and I'm on PS4. Also, combat mechanics and speccing characters is very in depth and important, bringing tons of strategy and theory-crafting. But, I have one question: Why is ESO getting bad reviews? I'm curious if reviewers actually play MMO's past level 10 even, or 20. Do reviewers legitimately play a MMO, raid and do everything to even a slight degree, or do they scratch the surface and base their review on that?

The bad reviews are mostly from lack of content and horrible bugs. I have posted this in numerous threads about the content that was supposed to have been released. Things that were announced well over a year ago. There are numerous bugs that still plague Cyrodiil and make PvP at times very frustrating and even unplayable. There are other reasons people gripe about the game as well that are minor but still valid. I hope that sums it up for you.

eventide03b14a_ESO · July 2015

I also think they were simply too ambitious with the resources they had. If they had simply focused on the PC and not bothered with the console this game would be absolutely fantastic. The console has been a huge headache and distraction from the more important elements of the game. Sure they have made money, but MMOs are not about the single purchase and I hope that it doesn't end up being a mistake to gain short term sales at the cost of subscribers. If their goal was simply to sell copies and not worry about retention, then I'd say they did a fantastic job.

Zhoyzu · July 2015

Ixtyr wrote: »

The game is very well done, but as with everything there are issues. Most have to do with speed with which the developers have released new content (which is being remedied) and performance/lag issues. Everything else is simply people wanting new features, or some various bugs related to largely convenience-based systems.

As for reviews....

I've been very vocal on my podcast as well as when I stream, or just in general interactions with other players or people interested in the game, that if you look at major reviewers who did a review of ESO...they did an AWFUL job at it, and it's a disservice to this game and many potential players who put stock in their opinions.

You can NOT review any game, much less an MMO, after playing 20 hours of a buggy beta weekend test, reaching level 17, on one "faction" (or alliance, in ESO's case) - and expect to have any REMOTE clue as to what you're talking about.

I'm looking at you, Angry Joe.

ALSO:

Most reviews of this game that have large viewcounts are well over a year old. The game has significantly evolved since that point. ESO has its issues, yes - but the unfortunate fact of the matter is that reviews that exist for this game have two major issues. The first is the fact that many of them are dated, and the second is the fact that reviewers are not in the business of giving a fair, honest, and completely legitimate review of any title they look at. They're in the business of entertaining and captivating their audience to generate as much traffic as possible, since that generates them revenue. Knee-jerk reactions and hopping on a bandwagon to find something to hate or get angry about in a new title helps to get and keep the attention of a large audience - while being fair, honest, and completely transparent is boring. It's no different than any media outlet, and it's an extension of our own poor behavior as consumers. Unfortunate, but true.

Hyperbole sells. It's that simple.

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Again, the game has its issues, but it's a good game. So do your friends a favor, and let them know what you think about the game, honestly, and don't let them form their opinions purely on hastily-formulated online reviews.

I agree with this. However in ESO case it never got any better. Things got worse, like performance, recurring bugs.

The console launch is funny as hell because they didnt fix the SAME THINGS that broke on launch day for PC. Cyrodiil is unplayable outside BWB due to performance drops and problems. its only a matter of time before this happens on consoles s well.

I dont think the reviews would have changed if everyone held off until now and witnessed how ZoS handles things (oxymoron, they dont) and the state of the game.

This is one of the best games ive played. ive had so much fun i just wish i could play it still. at least well have more crown store items next month right?

Wyldman · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm so the only real complaints I see are people dont like other people in their MMO. Why on earth people load up a MMO then complain when they see others is beyond me. Want solo instances load Skyrim.

You are completely missing the point. MMOG does NOT translate into "Please come in, stop me from getting to combat the bosses in my quest and camp all my delves and quests so that I cannot experience ANYTHING in this game but watching mindless hordes of padders dominate everything in the game just so they can level faster". MMOG's like this are meant to satisfy both the solo players and group players (hence why there are solo AND group instances in the game). If YOU want to just run around and kill mindlessly with NO purpose or understanding WHY you are fighting then I recommend that you go back to COD and Battlefield.

nastuug · July 2015

TheBull wrote: »

I haven't seen a bad review in over a year. Mind linking OP?

metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited

PS4 Player score of 8.2.
XBox PLayer score of 8.9
PC 9.4

Seems it's being extremely well received.

Those were padded. A week ago, those player scores on Metacritic for console were in the high 6.x/low 7.x. Interesting that they shot up so dramatically three weeks after launch...

sadownik · July 2015

nastuug wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I haven't seen a bad review in over a year. Mind linking OP?

metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited

PS4 Player score of 8.2.
XBox PLayer score of 8.9
PC 9.4

Seems it's being extremely well received.

Those were padded. A week ago, those player scores on Metacritic for console were in the high 6.x/low 7.x. Interesting that they shot up so dramatically three weeks after launch...

Yup its enough to look at all those 10 "reviews" from new accounts. One can just wonder if those are paid shills or just very naive players?

nastuug · July 2015

sadownik wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I haven't seen a bad review in over a year. Mind linking OP?

metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited

PS4 Player score of 8.2.
XBox PLayer score of 8.9
PC 9.4

Seems it's being extremely well received.

Those were padded. A week ago, those player scores on Metacritic for console were in the high 6.x/low 7.x. Interesting that they shot up so dramatically three weeks after launch...

Yup its enough to look at all those 10 "reviews" from new accounts. One can just wonder if those are paid shills or just very naive players?

I've been checking them every few days since console launch. Almost spewed coffee all over my keyboard at work this morning when I saw those numbers. Then heard about Paul Sage leaving/being fired. Lots of trololing going on at ZOS...

rb2001 · July 2015

Wyldman wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm so the only real complaints I see are people dont like other people in their MMO. Why on earth people load up a MMO then complain when they see others is beyond me. Want solo instances load Skyrim.

You are completely missing the point. MMOG does NOT translate into "Please come in, stop me from getting to combat the bosses in my quest and camp all my delves and quests so that I cannot experience ANYTHING in this game but watching mindless hordes of padders dominate everything in the game just so they can level faster". MMOG's like this are meant to satisfy both the solo players and group players (hence why there are solo AND group instances in the game). If YOU want to just run around and kill mindlessly with NO purpose or understanding WHY you are fighting then I recommend that you go back to COD and Battlefield.

Yes. Online and "walk to objective to watch someone else finish it before you even arrive" do not necessarily have to go hand in hand.

rb2001 · July 2015

This game has a very large problem to do with how they have divided gameplay into "buckets" instead of free-flow.

There is.. single player, which cannot even be co-op played, and does not belong in an MMO or fit with the concept of saving Tamriel in a multiplayer world where there are many heroes.

There are.. public dungeons, which are sort of too easy to do in groups, and then everyone else completes your objectives for you, and you have to wait around a lot.

There are.. group dungeons, which generally work awesome.

There are bizarre instancing and quest tracking issues between people in different game states.

There are bizarre ramifications for those who dabble in or full-on roleplay , because, for instance, how can I tell my friend that I am the savior of not only Glenumbra, but also every peasant, king and washerwoman from there to Alik'r, including being the personal champion of the Alik'r king and scourge of the undead.. when they are, too.

The game is, in my opinion, amazing in many ways, but on this, very poorly conceptually put together for being a multiplayer game.

Someday, I will build a multiplayer MUD, and it is going to be one giant persistent world where events happen as they would in a book series--globally, and each person/npc/player is either there or not, but affected by it all the same. No million game states.

GreySix · July 2015

Frenkthevile wrote: »

And also, when you have time...probably not even gonna happen...lol

-PvP in PvE zones with justice system.

So long as it was toggled off by default, and ganking was impossible, I'd be okay with it.

Of course, by that I don't mean you can be a closet psychopath, murdering NPCs at will, and then crying foul when a cop player attacks you.

nastuug · July 2015

GreySix wrote: »

Frenkthevile wrote: »

And also, when you have time...probably not even gonna happen...lol

-PvP in PvE zones with justice system.

So long as it was toggled off by default, and ganking was impossible, I'd be okay with it.

Of course, by that I don't mean you can be a closet psychopath, murdering NPCs at will, and then crying foul when a cop player attacks you.

DAOC -- Mordred. Good times.

Bromburak · July 2015

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

...

But, I have one question: Why is ESO getting bad reviews?

It depends on sources ...

Most of the bad reviews are coming from frustrated players with own game expectations and they have never read what they buy and never agree with any game concept. They think the world is made for them.

And its marketing because people love negative news ... (more clicks)
Just ignore this kind of media , game sites or threads in forums.

Helpful reviews are covering facts and let you decide if this is the right game for you.
You will barely find facts in bad reviews because they want to make the game or designers look bad no matter if this is true or not.

Btw. the best reviewer is yourself and i think a gamer who needs others to decide if a game is fun or not is a bit strange ...

GreySix · July 2015

A lot of folks who purchased the game expected to be able to cooperatively play all quests.

Many who discovered that wasn't possible unsubscribed and left less-than-favorable reviews.

Zadaris2021 · July 2015

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

why are you surprised? Game is grinder, abuser, hacker paradise. The day they decide killing mobs give you good xp and questing low exp, they literally destroy integrity of this game. When new player become veteran rank1, almost everything in this game is big slap into his face. And until now, zenimax dont care, because of consoles launch....

well consoles launch is something they felt obligated to do because of the companies history of making games for those consoles. It's a big step. As a gamer, you may need to adopt patience. I don't want to be mean, but I'm just saying.

its not attack on console, its writing a fact

sadownik wrote: »

rb2001 wrote: »

I agree that bugs and lag are bad, as are some odd gameplay decisions, but on the whole, ESO is an MMO unlike any other, where one can be immersed and roleplay, and where combat has diverse, dependable mechanics and feels like you are actually doing something (as opposed to the trainwreck that is clicking buttons on a screen that plagues so many other MMOs).

My immerison got ruined in 1 h of gmaplay ages ago on second day of pc release. I just opnend my skill screen and hover over soul magic line - reading the tool tip for first passive just made me sure nobody making this game cared about immerison or competent story telling at all.

That is so ridiculous. It's insane when people, like you, try and make a comment like that in a way to really hit hard and hit home for some people, as if the game is so utterly ridiculous because of your revolutionary comment. So, what you just told me is that you didn't even give the game a chance and are harshly judging it. I'm not one to start picking fights and ill-treating people on forums, but wow. That comment...

sadownik · July 2015

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

why are you surprised? Game is grinder, abuser, hacker paradise. The day they decide killing mobs give you good xp and questing low exp, they literally destroy integrity of this game. When new player become veteran rank1, almost everything in this game is big slap into his face. And until now, zenimax dont care, because of consoles launch....

well consoles launch is something they felt obligated to do because of the companies history of making games for those consoles. It's a big step. As a gamer, you may need to adopt patience. I don't want to be mean, but I'm just saying.

its not attack on console, its writing a fact

sadownik wrote: »

rb2001 wrote: »

I agree that bugs and lag are bad, as are some odd gameplay decisions, but on the whole, ESO is an MMO unlike any other, where one can be immersed and roleplay, and where combat has diverse, dependable mechanics and feels like you are actually doing something (as opposed to the trainwreck that is clicking buttons on a screen that plagues so many other MMOs).

My immerison got ruined in 1 h of gmaplay ages ago on second day of pc release. I just opnend my skill screen and hover over soul magic line - reading the tool tip for first passive just made me sure nobody making this game cared about immerison or competent story telling at all.

That is so ridiculous. It's insane when people, like you, try and make a comment like that in a way to really hit hard and hit home for some people, as if the game is so utterly ridiculous because of your revolutionary comment. So, what you just told me is that you didn't even give the game a chance and are harshly judging it. I'm not one to start picking fights and ill-treating people on forums, but wow. That comment...

I think you should go to eso subreddit then - you wont get triggered there, its absolutly critic free. Go on, try it! And btw can you help me and explain the thing i was writing about?

Zadaris2021 · July 2015

Well after making this post I can see mixed feelings and reviews. Some of you judge the game 1 hour in, some play the game for 300 hours. Me and my friend are level 18, enjoying the content, and I informed him about the general opinion that the game falls short at level 50, offering hardly any content that falls under the category of "end-game." We can all agree that Bethesda and Zenimax Studios are much different from Blizzard or Bioware. I'm beginning to think that it's just part of their own style. EVery time I play a game the players and community feel as though they can make the game 100% better just by fixing this, or adding that. But, perhaps it is style that Zenimax maintains here. This is their own game. They're aware of your concerns, but it isn't your game and if you simply wanna pout like a *** about it then leave the game. Don't come back. Quit tarnishing my post with ridiculous comments saying you played the game for 2 hours and left because you found something you didn't like. Honestly, one of you guys said that you played the game for 1 hour, another 2 hours, and then judged the game insanely critically after that. I'm question humanity as whole after I read that crap.

But, anyway. This thread got way more attention than I imagined. I'm slowly learning that the gaming community is a bunch of whiney *** who pout when they don't get what they want. Style is what will differentiate one game from another.

One thing I learned from this thread is the identity crisis. That was insightful, and I marked insightful on the posts. Me and my friend were talking about the end-game while playing, because him and I went through some rigorous WoW content and typically compare most of the games we play to WoW - within the MMO genre of course. It seemed easy to assume that even at our current level of 18 I could suspect that the end-game might fall short. The Zenimax has designed games is to give the player a long, thoughtful and intense ride until it suddenly ends when you have no more quests. Skyrim is the immediate comparison. The game is great for anybody who wants to play a single character for 200+ hours. I personally logged about 800 hours in Skyrim, on two different consoles. I love it. but it did fall short once you were done. There was no reason to continue playing past level 60 really, seeing as I bumped it to Master at level 40. ESO may face the same problem, categorizing itself as a single player experience. But, I trust this game developer. Why? Because every game I've ever played under them is amazing. NEver been let down. Now, they have an immense amount of pressure because there are millions of little whiners like you guys out there demanding this, demanding that, stomping your feet and pouting like a ***, and they're trying to please all of you. Honestly, just screw. I don't wanna play this game that I enjoy with people like you. You aren't a healthy gaming community, go play a game that satisfies every nook and cranny of your sophisticated, rigid, fancy. Oh wait - there isn't a game remotely like that is there? daaaamn, back to complaining it is.

It would seem I couldn't make a reply to this thread without addressing and bashing the haters and whiners. You guys continue to amaze me, and I assume that some, but very few, of you will get a job designing a game. If at the point in your life you do, come back to this thread and tell us about your game. Tell me what you did, what you promised, what you intended. I wanna' know.

Zadaris2021 · July 2015

TheBull wrote: »

I haven't seen a bad review in over a year. Mind linking OP?

metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited

PS4 Player score of 8.2.
XBox PLayer score of 8.9
PC 9.4

Seems it's being extremely well received.

I've seen quite a few replies addressing that. I apologize for not being entirely specific, but I'm questioning the fanbase as well. Also, some game reviewers on youtube gave it somewhat poor scores, like 6's and 7's. I didn't take into consideration that one of the videos that gave it a 6 was a year old. However, due to the amount of people commenting on this that hate the game, I believe the OP still is maintaining validity, for this purpose.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · July 2015

Just yesterday I posted a 1Star rating for ESO to Amazon.

I had to think positive to manage even just 1 star.

All The Best

lathbury · July 2015

Would you say I have given the game a chance been here and since PC Beta and subbed since launch. I think its been terribly managed and still has bugs that were there from the start. They have constantly deceived, kept in the dark and generally treated their fans like idiots.
I think the recent high profile departures are indicative of the problems within the studio. The game has had no new content in nearly a year where as its competition has been releasing things at a steady rate. The content they did release Craglorn was poorly received.
The lack of road ahead and new information regarding what's being worked on is also not filling fans with confidence.
Of the things they said at last years conferences none of them have been fully implemented they couldn't even appear to address the fans at e3.
Hope fully with the changes to lead people we will at last see the game to start moving in the right direction or any direction.
I will give it till my sub is up for renewal to see evidence of changes and better communication. as I can no longer justify trying to support a company and seeing nothing for it. After that I will log in every now and again but will be actively looking for somewhere else to spend my sub money.

sadownik · July 2015

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Well after making this post I can see mixed feelings and reviews. Some of you judge the game 1 hour in, some play the game for 300 hours. Me and my friend are level 18, enjoying the content, and I informed him about the general opinion that the game falls short at level 50, offering hardly any content that falls under the category of "end-game." We can all agree that Bethesda and Zenimax Studios are much different from Blizzard or Bioware. I'm beginning to think that it's just part of their own style. EVery time I play a game the players and community feel as though they can make the game 100% better just by fixing this, or adding that. But, perhaps it is style that Zenimax maintains here. This is their own game. They're aware of your concerns, but it isn't your game and if you simply wanna pout like a *** about it then leave the game. Don't come back. Quit tarnishing my post with ridiculous comments saying you played the game for 2 hours and left because you found something you didn't like. Honestly, one of you guys said that you played the game for 1 hour, another 2 hours, and then judged the game insanely critically after that. I'm question humanity as whole after I read that crap.

But, anyway. This thread got way more attention than I imagined. I'm slowly learning that the gaming community is a bunch of whiney *** who pout when they don't get what they want. Style is what will differentiate one game from another.

One thing I learned from this thread is the identity crisis. That was insightful, and I marked insightful on the posts. Me and my friend were talking about the end-game while playing, because him and I went through some rigorous WoW content and typically compare most of the games we play to WoW - within the MMO genre of course. It seemed easy to assume that even at our current level of 18 I could suspect that the end-game might fall short. The Zenimax has designed games is to give the player a long, thoughtful and intense ride until it suddenly ends when you have no more quests. Skyrim is the immediate comparison. The game is great for anybody who wants to play a single character for 200+ hours. I personally logged about 800 hours in Skyrim, on two different consoles. I love it. but it did fall short once you were done. There was no reason to continue playing past level 60 really, seeing as I bumped it to Master at level 40. ESO may face the same problem, categorizing itself as a single player experience. But, I trust this game developer. Why? Because every game I've ever played under them is amazing. NEver been let down. Now, they have an immense amount of pressure because there are millions of little whiners like you guys out there demanding this, demanding that, stomping your feet and pouting like a ***, and they're trying to please all of you. Honestly, just screw. I don't wanna play this game that I enjoy with people like you. You aren't a healthy gaming community, go play a game that satisfies every nook and cranny of your sophisticated, rigid, fancy. Oh wait - there isn't a game remotely like that is there? daaaamn, back to complaining it is.

It would seem I couldn't make a reply to this thread without addressing and bashing the haters and whiners. You guys continue to amaze me, and I assume that some, but very few, of you will get a job designing a game. If at the point in your life you do, come back to this thread and tell us about your game. Tell me what you did, what you promised, what you intended. I wanna' know.

Using decriptions like you did makes you look very immature honestly (just a tip you know). Thinking you are more predestined to judge the game than people that were more or less frequently playing this game for more than a year makes you look pretencious (again just a tip). Trying to insult people without being too explict is an art in itself - another tip - dont try it you dont have it in you.

On the topic. Game has many qualities. Has also many frustrating issues that for some tend to overshadow quailties. Many other people (me included) were hopeing for something more innovative since there is a big arse budget and a great franchize. What we got is standard theme park MMO with nice graphics and fully voiced. Not everyone was expecting this, therefore very mixed reviews.

Vahrokh · July 2015

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

So I am really digging this game and so is my friend. This MMO is very well done, and that's coming from a 2007-2011 WoW player, and some of Mists as well. I hit WoW very hard and enjoyed the raiding content, showing up and leading raids from 7p-12a five nights a week...it was a job basically. This game is giving me a good bit of satisfaction so far, and I'm on PS4. Also, combat mechanics and speccing characters is very in depth and important, bringing tons of strategy and theory-crafting. But, I have one question: Why is ESO getting bad reviews? I'm curious if reviewers actually play MMO's past level 10 even, or 20. Do reviewers legitimately play a MMO, raid and do everything to even a slight degree, or do they scratch the surface and base their review on that?

If you have actually got raiding experience as you say, then you will need to come back here and visit your own remarks once you get to end game content in this game - such as it is. I have been here since beta, and can tell you the 1-50 game is not the issue. For those of us still waiting for something other than grinding champion points and rolling alts to fiddle with, the game got stale quite a while ago. My own solution was to re-roll onto EU from NA and re-experience the game there with other folks as a diversion until (and IF) such time as we actually get the repeatedly promised and repeatedly delayed updates to vet level content, itemization, PvP, etc.

Yeah I have experienced very high level, competitive content on WoW. The things I did on that game I would find hard for a lot of the player base I see running around on MMO's today. Me and my friend have been wondering about whether the end-game will fall short in this game. To read your comment solidifying the idea scares me

I played on a top 10 world kills guild in WoW, so I think I may relate to you.

Let's say this: I am glad you are enjoying ESO. Take it easy, level very slow, enjoy every inch of nice scenery and quests you got. Because once you'll be VR12 level, the game basically ends and the enjoyment becomes a bitter realization about how HUGE could ESO have been if its end-game followed the Level 1-50 premises instead of being basically non-existant.

What you'll do at VR12+ (unless you enjoy PvPing a lot), could be: run one absolutely trivial and linear 4 men instance you can complete in 15 minutes (sometimes less). If unlucky, you may group with randoms and then suddenly the same instance becomes 3 hours of torture.

Then you have a nicely done Arena (perhaps the most replayable content in game), that is a multi-stage arena-type PvE encounter where you have to defeat a number of waves till a mini-boss and after all the mini-bosses you defeat a decently enjoyable final boss.

Then you have two excruciantly easy, dumb, boring and quick "raid" instances. Some groups take less than 15 minutes to clear them, so imagine which kind of "depth" you'll find: none whatsoever. 3-4 linear bosses with no off-tanking or anything tactical. My ESO heavily casual guild cleared Aetherian Archive (one of these intances) in about half afternoon without ever having done it before. To add insult to injury, the gear drops are exclusively "deconstruct" material. Zenimax re-balanced how stats work in game but left all the raid drops unchanged so now they are basically useless.

Finally you have a decent "raid" instance, Sanctum Ophidia, where once your guild figures out how to clear the first boss you are basically done.

That's it and no instances have been added since around September 2014.

You might think: "well, not so bad, in WoW too they take their time to release new content". However you'll find out that unlike WoW, these instances - if approached by a good level raiding guild like many in WoW, are really a matter of *1* week or 2 tops, before you cleared all of them. And then you get all bored to tears and your guild mates all quit like they did for all the good raiding guilds I have known in ESO.

So, really enjoy and slowly taste your trip to max level, because it's there that ESO shines.

Bromburak · July 2015

Its very simple, play ESO to find out if you can enjoy this game and have fun with the community.
A judging review cannot give you any of this experience ...

Tankqull · July 2015

Ballzy321 wrote: »

No small scale pvp is what kills this game and they can never add it due to cp completely unbalancing the game.

small scale pvp is an absolutly niche part that definatly does not make or break a game(im in ESO purly because of the pvp as i cant stand any pve in any game so far as it delivers absolutly no surprises), in the first month its frequently used as everybody thinks he´s the king of the ring but after getting the first few bloody noses they realize they are not. after the next few bloody noses they start to recocnize blameing them cheater doesent make them win either, and the amount of players who accept a loss when they had an intresting fight even though they lose and lose is abysmal small. and after the first month you will only see the handfull of groups who are within the top 5% of the innitial player base and the rest will be back in cyrodiil where they do have some wins to pamper their egos.
thats my experience from every game providing some kind of instanced pvp.

eventide03b14a_ESO · July 2015

Another thing I would say, is that whoever is responsible for putting in the quest rewards should be fired. They are seriously terrible. Most quests in this game give horrible rewards. Whether it's a fluff item that needlessly takes up valuable inventory space, or some useless piece of crap that isn't even as good as non set crafted gear. The best you can hope for in this game is that you will get a skill point. They really need to work on that.

Zershar_Vemod · July 2015

Some honest questions, OP:

- When did you and your friends start following TESO?

- What level are you and your friends at currently?

- Have you dove into multiple reviews, looking for trends on opinions, while also making note of when they were written?

- Are you aware that it has been over a year since launch, and that you might not have had to deal with all the nonsense that many others have?

- Have you heard of Craglorn?

Zadaris2021 · July 2015

sadownik wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Well after making this post I can see mixed feelings and reviews. Some of you judge the game 1 hour in, some play the game for 300 hours. Me and my friend are level 18, enjoying the content, and I informed him about the general opinion that the game falls short at level 50, offering hardly any content that falls under the category of "end-game." We can all agree that Bethesda and Zenimax Studios are much different from Blizzard or Bioware. I'm beginning to think that it's just part of their own style. EVery time I play a game the players and community feel as though they can make the game 100% better just by fixing this, or adding that. But, perhaps it is style that Zenimax maintains here. This is their own game. They're aware of your concerns, but it isn't your game and if you simply wanna pout like a *** about it then leave the game. Don't come back. Quit tarnishing my post with ridiculous comments saying you played the game for 2 hours and left because you found something you didn't like. Honestly, one of you guys said that you played the game for 1 hour, another 2 hours, and then judged the game insanely critically after that. I'm question humanity as whole after I read that crap.

But, anyway. This thread got way more attention than I imagined. I'm slowly learning that the gaming community is a bunch of whiney *** who pout when they don't get what they want. Style is what will differentiate one game from another.

One thing I learned from this thread is the identity crisis. That was insightful, and I marked insightful on the posts. Me and my friend were talking about the end-game while playing, because him and I went through some rigorous WoW content and typically compare most of the games we play to WoW - within the MMO genre of course. It seemed easy to assume that even at our current level of 18 I could suspect that the end-game might fall short. The Zenimax has designed games is to give the player a long, thoughtful and intense ride until it suddenly ends when you have no more quests. Skyrim is the immediate comparison. The game is great for anybody who wants to play a single character for 200+ hours. I personally logged about 800 hours in Skyrim, on two different consoles. I love it. but it did fall short once you were done. There was no reason to continue playing past level 60 really, seeing as I bumped it to Master at level 40. ESO may face the same problem, categorizing itself as a single player experience. But, I trust this game developer. Why? Because every game I've ever played under them is amazing. NEver been let down. Now, they have an immense amount of pressure because there are millions of little whiners like you guys out there demanding this, demanding that, stomping your feet and pouting like a ***, and they're trying to please all of you. Honestly, just screw. I don't wanna play this game that I enjoy with people like you. You aren't a healthy gaming community, go play a game that satisfies every nook and cranny of your sophisticated, rigid, fancy. Oh wait - there isn't a game remotely like that is there? daaaamn, back to complaining it is.

It would seem I couldn't make a reply to this thread without addressing and bashing the haters and whiners. You guys continue to amaze me, and I assume that some, but very few, of you will get a job designing a game. If at the point in your life you do, come back to this thread and tell us about your game. Tell me what you did, what you promised, what you intended. I wanna' know.

Using decriptions like you did makes you look very immature honestly (just a tip you know). Thinking you are more predestined to judge the game than people that were more or less frequently playing this game for more than a year makes you look pretencious (again just a tip). Trying to insult people without being too explict is an art in itself - another tip - dont try it you dont have it in you.

On the topic. Game has many qualities. Has also many frustrating issues that for some tend to overshadow quailties. Many other people (me included) were hopeing for something more innovative since there is a big arse budget and a great franchize. What we got is standard theme park MMO with nice graphics and fully voiced. Not everyone was expecting this, therefore very mixed reviews.

Ha wow, okay. Did you read anything past the first paragraph I wrote? And even in the first paragraph, and the whole post even, I very clearly targeted the people who said they played the game for an hour and complained. I didn't address the people playing for a year. They don't need to be addressed in my particular post because they've been playing the game for a year, so I'm assuming that means they like the game...

Like what are you trying to do now? Are you trying to be mean to me through a forum calling me pretentious after I call out people who judge the game before they even get to level 10?

I assume you think that I think I'm more "predestined" to judge a game because I highlighted my experience in previous games, or because I can spell my words correctly and you can't. Your "just a tip" stuff is dumb when you can't spell your words right, and when it is altogether information that isn't even relevant to what I said. You basically just made a post that makes it look like I said people who are veteran players in this game, and hate it, don't know what they're talking about. But even then, you addressed people who played the game for an entire YEAR, which means they probably enjoy the game to more than one degree. My target in that post is the players who logged one or two hours and judged the game because something meager didn't appease their fancy. That crap is annoying, like who are those people to be so swift?

So now that I've made this post, what do you have for me now?

Zadaris2021 · July 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Zadaris2021 wrote: »

So I am really digging this game and so is my friend. This MMO is very well done, and that's coming from a 2007-2011 WoW player, and some of Mists as well. I hit WoW very hard and enjoyed the raiding content, showing up and leading raids from 7p-12a five nights a week...it was a job basically. This game is giving me a good bit of satisfaction so far, and I'm on PS4. Also, combat mechanics and speccing characters is very in depth and important, bringing tons of strategy and theory-crafting. But, I have one question: Why is ESO getting bad reviews? I'm curious if reviewers actually play MMO's past level 10 even, or 20. Do reviewers legitimately play a MMO, raid and do everything to even a slight degree, or do they scratch the surface and base their review on that?

If you have actually got raiding experience as you say, then you will need to come back here and visit your own remarks once you get to end game content in this game - such as it is. I have been here since beta, and can tell you the 1-50 game is not the issue. For those of us still waiting for something other than grinding champion points and rolling alts to fiddle with, the game got stale quite a while ago. My own solution was to re-roll onto EU from NA and re-experience the game there with other folks as a diversion until (and IF) such time as we actually get the repeatedly promised and repeatedly delayed updates to vet level content, itemization, PvP, etc.

Yeah I have experienced very high level, competitive content on WoW. The things I did on that game I would find hard for a lot of the player base I see running around on MMO's today. Me and my friend have been wondering about whether the end-game will fall short in this game. To read your comment solidifying the idea scares me

I played on a top 10 world kills guild in WoW, so I think I may relate to you.

Let's say this: I am glad you are enjoying ESO. Take it easy, level very slow, enjoy every inch of nice scenery and quests you got. Because once you'll be VR12 level, the game basically ends and the enjoyment becomes a bitter realization about how HUGE could ESO have been if its end-game followed the Level 1-50 premises instead of being basically non-existant.

What you'll do at VR12+ (unless you enjoy PvPing a lot), could be: run one absolutely trivial and linear 4 men instance you can complete in 15 minutes (sometimes less). If unlucky, you may group with randoms and then suddenly the same instance becomes 3 hours of torture.

Then you have a nicely done Arena (perhaps the most replayable content in game), that is a multi-stage arena-type PvE encounter where you have to defeat a number of waves till a mini-boss and after all the mini-bosses you defeat a decently enjoyable final boss.

Then you have two excruciantly easy, dumb, boring and quick "raid" instances. Some groups take less than 15 minutes to clear them, so imagine which kind of "depth" you'll find: none whatsoever. 3-4 linear bosses with no off-tanking or anything tactical. My ESO heavily casual guild cleared Aetherian Archive (one of these intances) in about half afternoon without ever having done it before. To add insult to injury, the gear drops are exclusively "deconstruct" material. Zenimax re-balanced how stats work in game but left all the raid drops unchanged so now they are basically useless.

Finally you have a decent "raid" instance, Sanctum Ophidia, where once your guild figures out how to clear the first boss you are basically done.

That's it and no instances have been added since around September 2014.

You might think: "well, not so bad, in WoW too they take their time to release new content". However you'll find out that unlike WoW, these instances - if approached by a good level raiding guild like many in WoW, are really a matter of *1* week or 2 tops, before you cleared all of them. And then you get all bored to tears and your guild mates all quit like they did for all the good raiding guilds I have known in ESO.

So, really enjoy and slowly taste your trip to max level, because it's there that ESO shines.

Good to know. Pretty good information there. I'm gonna' assume by what you said about your WoW experience that you're probably a very good player at this game, and you play with good players, hence the quick clearing of content. Or, was it honestly just simply that easy?