MaximumAttackG wrote: »

... ive noticed tanks in eso arent that great at getting every mob to attack them,...

The developers have stated that tanking in ESO is set up to be less about tanking all the mobs and more about holding the most dangerous ones.

We saw this right after pc launch too. After a little bit people will either learn, and develop solid(ish) builds and roles, or decide this isn't TES enough for them and quit playing. Some of them will open rant threads about how people take this game too seriously, and that dungeon groups expect too much from them. We will laugh.

Yeah I know your pain some people that I run with, one claims to be a tank but can take absolutely no damage, another who also claims tank and can take some damage but can't keep the mobs attacking him. I've made my own tank and have tested it out to see if it was better then the people's that I run with, it could easily take more damage then the first, when it was 3 levels behind him. Also keeping the mobs attacking me is not that hard (though I did encounter some problems at times), but this is one reason why I just run dps, its easier to run (to a point) and is better at leveling. I'm just trying to find other people to run dungeons with that know their roles, and I believe till late game it will be like this for most people.

I have tanked in eso and you definitely do not want every mob attacking you because you will die and quickly. You just have to rank the mobs by the most dangerous to your party and go from there. Typically you take the melee mobs while the party takes out the casters and then come help you. Compared to other MMOs tanking in eso is the most difficult and interactive because of having to constantly taunt while trying not to run out of stamina from blocking and using defensive abilities. Most other games block and dodge is a passive and you never have to even worry about it.

Full templar healer here, I see people "heal" and "tank" makes me wish they would get run over by a car or something.


Im sure ill get warned again for that comment, such a care bear community here.

ESO barely deserves the MMO label. It IS more of a single player romp that other people happen to be in most of the time.
That line right there is what I think is its greatest strength, although it definitely needs some tweaking, and some weeding out of flavor of the month gamers, great potential as a series. I'm having a blast in this game, wish I had more time like 5-10 years ago cause I'm pretty hooked. I'm thinking an option fer coop style play where groups see and experience the same things simultaneously instead of the way it is now would have been a better way to go. But that's a problem fer another day. But the good thing is guys like me are reading these forums religisously (?) and learning as we go and in true scrolls fashion doing everything slow, hoarding skill points and gold until we know what it is we're really building towards and how we want to play. Like tupac said, keep your head up. We're coming around.

Azalin76 wrote: »

I have tanked in eso and you definitely do not want every mob attacking you because you will die and quickly.

Im a sorc tank all attributes in health
5/2 heavy light armor ratio

I start off with Absortion field placed in the middle of all trash mobs, I run in taunt each one, then put degeneration on each one. by that time my field is off and I throw down a few prisons.. repeating that strategy with thundering presence up at all time. I can usually have every mob either attacking me or CCed in place for the whole fight. I dont usually drop below half health but when I do I have my off hand as a resto staff.

MaximumAttackG wrote: »

I believe you can play eso with a group of hybrids without a single set role, sure. that's the beauty of eso you can do whatever the hell you want. but I also believe if 4 people have a set dedicated role that things can and will run more smoothly through group dungeons, im fully supportive of the people who just wanna play and not worry about all that mmo crap. but I would love to see more people on the console side taking roles more seriously because so far ive seen none. but that could change later down the line when I reach end game.

It's hard to take a game like this seriously or get too emotionally invested. There's no consequence to anything. I can die a million times and nothing happens except some minor stuff. I can steal everything not nailed down, I die or get fined... I can go into a dungeon and button smash with no real tactic. They should've taken this past year to work on these issues and stuff... Game is too easy, I can go in to dungeons (solo) and stand there and let others who I'm not even playing with do the work for me.

MaximumAttackG wrote: »

Fartman wrote: »

MaximumAttackG wrote: »

I believe you can play eso with a group of hybrids without a single set role, sure. that's the beauty of eso you can do whatever the hell you want. but I also believe if 4 people have a set dedicated role that things can and will run more smoothly through group dungeons, im fully supportive of the people who just wanna play and not worry about all that mmo crap. but I would love to see more people on the console side taking roles more seriously because so far ive seen none. but that could change later down the line when I reach end game.

It's hard to take a game like this seriously or get too emotionally invested. There's no consequence to anything. I can die a million times and nothing happens except some minor stuff. I can steal everything not nailed down, I die or get fined... I can go into a dungeon and button smash with no real tactic. They should've taken this past year to work on these issues and stuff... Game is too easy, I can go in to dungeons (solo) and stand there and let others who I'm not even playing with do the work for me.

Perhaps thats why most people take to cyrodiil after endgame. thats kinda discouraging.

It's a decent game, but here's what they should've done, instead of making two big servers, have about 10, with 1 being a hardcore server where you risk losing things when you die, you can get attacked by players outside of town, you run the risk of getting perma red where if you go in to town, guards will attack you, reputation system... etc. This game is like an IoS game to me. You need to have some sort of attachment to a game in order to keep playing it. I remember playing Ultima Online 16 years ago, dying and losing one of my favorite swords to a looter... that was emotion. There were several good emotions, but just having that in the game was awesome, because it created a connection. I think it'd scare too many people away saying it's too hard nowadays, that's why they should've created a hardcore server IMO.

MaximumAttackG wrote: »

Game is too easy, I can go in to dungeons (solo) and stand there and let others who I'm not even playing with do the work for me.

For pledges, and from my friends list just one was able to solo a vet dungeon and that was an extreme build that would not be good for other dungeons. That bein said, yes the game is too easy. Compared with launch its a walk in the park. There is challenge in end game though. vDSA (Veteran Dragon Star Arena for new players) is one of them. I dont do trials so cant speak much there.

As for tanking, I play mostly tank on my main on PvE and i can get every single mob attacking me. How? First hit and AoE is your way to do that. Funny thing is one of my main skills for that comes from PvP (caltrops)... Basically I'm what is called a sap-tank (Magicka Nightblade with siphoning attacks), and in packs of mobs I go in, throw caltrops, and start siphoning away. NOTE, there is an aggro mechanic in game that makes some mobs shoot out towards a random player for reasons unkown. Thats when you use the taunts...

All in all, I prefer this style of tanking to run of the mill MMO's where the tank has a AoE taunt and in group situations just has to spam that and survival skills, mainly because that random mob I was talking about if left free can take down a glass cannon (or make it harder on the healer). Basically you got to react when tanking and not rely solely on a AoE taunt skill. The upside is that dps's and healers got to also be on their toes and have some survival skills. All in all its very reactive.

NOW, vet players will tell you that with Champion Points its all moot since you can just "stack and burn", or in other words, huddle together while the healer mass heals and dps down bosses so fast you don't even have to worry about boss mechanics, but that is not what this discussion is about. (And I doubt most non-transfer console players have enough CP for this)

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Semfim wrote: »

MaximumAttackG wrote: »

Game is too easy, I can go in to dungeons (solo) and stand there and let others who I'm not even playing with do the work for me.

For pledges, and from my friends list just one was able to solo a vet dungeon and that was an extreme build that would not be good for other dungeons. That bein said, yes the game is too easy. Compared with launch its a walk in the park. There is challenge in end game though. vDSA (Veteran Dragon Star Arena for new players) is one of them. I dont do trials so cant speak much there.

As for tanking, I play mostly tank on my main on PvE and i can get every single mob attacking me. How? First hit and AoE is your way to do that. Funny thing is one of my main skills for that comes from PvP (caltrops)... Basically I'm what is called a sap-tank (Magicka Nightblade with siphoning attacks), and in packs of mobs I go in, throw caltrops, and start siphoning away. NOTE, there is an aggro mechanic in game that makes some mobs shoot out towards a random player for reasons unkown. Thats when you use the taunts...

All in all, I prefer this style of tanking to run of the mill MMO's where the tank has a AoE taunt and in group situations just has to spam that and survival skills, mainly because that random mob I was talking about if left free can take down a glass cannon (or make it harder on the healer). Basically you got to react when tanking and not rely solely on a AoE taunt skill. The upside is that dps's and healers got to also be on their toes and have some survival skills. All in all its very reactive.

NOW, vet players will tell you that with Champion Points its all moot since you can just "stack and burn", or in other words, huddle together while the healer mass heals and dps down bosses so fast you don't even have to worry about boss mechanics, but that is not what this discussion is about. (And I doubt most non-transfer console players have enough CP for this)

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I didnt make that comment in the qoute.

Takes time if this is their first MMORPG... Ya know? As long as someone is willing to learn, teach.

It's almost like pc only gamers don't realize consoles and computers have existed together for decades now. The concept of mmo's is old as dirt in 2015. I didn't read past the thread title btw, sorry for anyone that did.

I tried grouping with random players on PS4.

One asked what a tank was, the healer said they can heal themselves a little, is that what I'm doing? And the other kept swearing down the mic.

I noped out. Back to PC for good.

How do you know that a person who plays a game on a console doesn't have a computer and play that aswell?

Tanks in eso shouldn't get every mob. They get the biggest threat and try to cc/chains the rest to him, the Heals are mostly AOE so if the group gets close to the tank the healer just aoe heals a lot and it's gg.