Group Finder is a disgrace.
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✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Clearly someone is watching the threads closely enough to redact what we are saying. Would be nice for them to actually address our concerns though.
Don't be silly.
That would require them to take responsibility for it.
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✭houimetub17_ESO wrote: »Im sorry to read that you have such hard time finding groups. My guess is that its more of a demographic problem than it is related to grp finder. Or I am doing something different than you amongst those lines that makes me have more success.
My guest is that people run much less pve grps today because its worth less than it used to. Exp in grps should be better fpr once.
Couldnt agree more with the last paragraph
Most of my friends haven't run a pledge in about 2 months... just not worth it. Once you collect your monster sets, the xp is meh and the drops aren't worth it.
Go grind for 20 mins instead and tell me which is superior.
Thats a huge problem itself. Complete lack of motivation to run dungeons more than once.
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lsneakl✭✭✭houimetub17_ESO wrote: »Ive said it many times and people were insulted by my answer regarding uselessness of grp finders.
But here it is again.
-go out and make some friends! Mmos are social games and not ment for people who ask a computer to randomly select grp members.
-join a guild and actually TALK to them.
-you have a friend list. Use it. Try grping with same people. Develop coordination with them. Dungeons are hard and you will not get through all of them if you are an unsocial sociopath.
-if all else fails, use zone chat. If they are good, friend them. If they plain suck, get someone else.
From console view now that I moved over and started a new character
#1 - how do you make friends on an MMO who are not originally random? Group finder should help you find new people to team up with. Its like saying I want a date tonight, is it easier to get on a dating site/social media site or randomly walk up to girls all day? (hint: dating site/social media)
#2 - Guilds are fine but they are not exactly easy to find on console as again there is no real system in place in game to find guilds easily or like the clan I joined in BF2 be matched with players from that guild/clan randomly and then join afterwards into their guild/clan
#3 - Friend's list only works after you have a big list of friends but when leveling 1/2 the time you are likely not to be able to group because of the level difference causing issues
#4 - there is no real zone chat to look to group unless you want around yelling you want to group or spam the group emote
In the end making new random friends on console is not the easiest thing to do and your really only hope is to go to the area that you want to run and wait for some other people to come along. Over time I can see you building a good list of friends to continue to group with. In the end this all points back to not having a good group tool for random quick play with strangers to run the dungeon of your choice.0 -
Teiji✭✭✭✭✭It's sad it's never been improved, there are loads of small improvements they could make to it.
Don't expect it to be improved, ever. You'll be pleasantly surprised then if it's ever improved three-to-five years from now.
Imagine all the new friendships and fun times you'll be able to have! All the fresh human interactions, like that of an MMORPG with a fully-functional group finder!"Serving Boethiah is Freedom, embracing heroism is Liberty, existing solely for noxiphilic sanguivoria is truth." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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✭houimetub17_ESO wrote: »Im sorry to read that you have such hard time finding groups. My guess is that its more of a demographic problem than it is related to grp finder. Or I am doing something different than you amongst those lines that makes me have more success.
My guest is that people run much less pve grps today because its worth less than it used to. Exp in grps should be better fpr once.
Couldnt agree more with the last paragraph
Most of my friends haven't run a pledge in about 2 months... just not worth it. Once you collect your monster sets, the xp is meh and the drops aren't worth it.
Go grind for 20 mins instead and tell me which is superior.
Thats a huge problem itself. Complete lack of motivation to run dungeons more than once.
If you got your monster sets in one run, more power to you.
Most of us have multiple sets (diff armor types and traits) from running it many, MANY times. You can only do the same content with little-to-no reward so many times before you ask yourself why.0 -
sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭houimetub17_ESO wrote: »Im sorry to read that you have such hard time finding groups. My guess is that its more of a demographic problem than it is related to grp finder. Or I am doing something different than you amongst those lines that makes me have more success.
My guest is that people run much less pve grps today because its worth less than it used to. Exp in grps should be better fpr once.
Couldnt agree more with the last paragraph
Most of my friends haven't run a pledge in about 2 months... just not worth it. Once you collect your monster sets, the xp is meh and the drops aren't worth it.
Go grind for 20 mins instead and tell me which is superior.
Thats a huge problem itself. Complete lack of motivation to run dungeons more than once.
If you got your monster sets in one run, more power to you.
Most of us have multiple sets (diff armor types and traits) from running it many, MANY times. You can only do the same content with little-to-no reward so many times before you ask yourself why.
Well to run for those sets you better be vr 14 first right? On my main vr 7 i just cant stand questing anymore. I hve enough of copypasta quests with dull fetch tasks no matter *** good voice acting in them is. Not to mention that if was really into single plyer questing i would find games doing it much better. In every MMO i can remember running dungeons is always a viable way to lvl.0 -
Yinmaigao✭✭✭✭✭
✭houimetub17_ESO wrote: »Im sorry to read that you have such hard time finding groups. My guess is that its more of a demographic problem than it is related to grp finder. Or I am doing something different than you amongst those lines that makes me have more success.
My guest is that people run much less pve grps today because its worth less than it used to. Exp in grps should be better fpr once.
Couldnt agree more with the last paragraph
Most of my friends haven't run a pledge in about 2 months... just not worth it. Once you collect your monster sets, the xp is meh and the drops aren't worth it.
Go grind for 20 mins instead and tell me which is superior.
Thats a huge problem itself. Complete lack of motivation to run dungeons more than once.
If you got your monster sets in one run, more power to you.
Most of us have multiple sets (diff armor types and traits) from running it many, MANY times. You can only do the same content with little-to-no reward so many times before you ask yourself why.
Well to run for those sets you better be vr 14 first right? On my main vr 7 i just cant stand questing anymore. I hve enough of copypasta quests with dull fetch tasks no matter *** good voice acting in them is. Not to mention that if was really into single plyer questing i would find games doing it much better. In every MMO i can remember running dungeons is always a viable way to lvl.
You can "game the system" while leveling up and do the gold pledge everyday, saving the keys and opening the chest multiple times at VR14 for more shots at VR14 shoulders.
However, you still have to do the Vet dungeons at VR12+ to get the max-level helms (save for CoA which is the only VR14 Helm).
That being said, yes, the XP is pretty lame in comparison. Surprisingly, at launch there was even less incentive to do a dungeon more than once. The XP was worse, no "monster sets" and a pain to find groups!0 -
Xendyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well to run for those sets you better be vr 14 first right? On my main vr 7 i just cant stand questing anymore. I hve enough of copypasta quests with dull fetch tasks no matter *** good voice acting in them is. Not to mention that if was really into single plyer questing i would find games doing it much better. In every MMO i can remember running dungeons is always a viable way to lvl.
Partly. You can run them for gold keys (granted, if you can find a group) then save the keys to turn in when you hit V14 for the shoulders. The helms, yeh might as well wait.Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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JacksonCarter13✭✭✭Yea I remeber when the game first came out it actually kinda worked. But he def got cut when they cut like half of the office. Like many people said I don't ever expect it to be fixed. But it is among the most terrible non fixes in gaming history... So simple and a year with no fix! Just awesome...0 -
Kupoking✭✭✭✭✭houimetub17_ESO wrote: »Ive said it many times and people were insulted by my answer regarding uselessness of grp finders.
But here it is again.
-go out and make some friends! Mmos are social games and not ment for people who ask a computer to randomly select grp members.
-join a guild and actually TALK to them.
-you have a friend list. Use it. Try grping with same people. Develop coordination with them. Dungeons are hard and you will not get through all of them if you are an unsocial sociopath.
-if all else fails, use zone chat. If they are good, friend them. If they plain suck, get someone else.
From console view now that I moved over and started a new character
#1 - how do you make friends on an MMO who are not originally random? Group finder should help you find new people to team up with. Its like saying I want a date tonight, is it easier to get on a dating site/social media site or randomly walk up to girls all day? (hint: dating site/social media)
#2 - Guilds are fine but they are not exactly easy to find on console as again there is no real system in place in game to find guilds easily or like the clan I joined in BF2 be matched with players from that guild/clan randomly and then join afterwards into their guild/clan
#3 - Friend's list only works after you have a big list of friends but when leveling 1/2 the time you are likely not to be able to group because of the level difference causing issues
#4 - there is no real zone chat to look to group unless you want around yelling you want to group or spam the group emote
In the end making new random friends on console is not the easiest thing to do and your really only hope is to go to the area that you want to run and wait for some other people to come along. Over time I can see you building a good list of friends to continue to group with. In the end this all points back to not having a good group tool for random quick play with strangers to run the dungeon of your choice.
Im sorry to put it this way, but you gave me 3 excuses. The only issue i see there is lack of zone chat on console.
The day you will work through the excuses of : "oh its so hard, gimme something to make it easy (if not automatic)" you will see results.
Heck, finding people to grp with isnt easy first few times. Even today I have to to bust my butt and find pugs by joining new guilds or asking random people in grathwood to grp with to refresh my friends list. But if I can put it this way using the dating thing (although finding love and finding grping partners are like apples and oranges): you could stay all yiur live on a dating site, but at one point you must grow a pair and go ask one out. Then, you have to face rejection and do it all over again.
Until you find the right one...Edited by Kupoking on June 29, 2015 10:52AM0 -
Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭Half the problem is the ppl using the group finder not running the dungeons. I mean why join it if you have no intention of doing the activity you queued for?0