Rules regarding discrimination against in-game races and in-game profanity

Azurephoenix999 · June 2015

Are we allowed to make fun of someone because of their in-game race? Like if you were RPing as an elf can you discriminate against the nords, imperials, etc.?

Also wanted to know if we're allowed to use words like N'wah, fetcher, and S'wit. They're used as insults in-game so can we use them as insults here?

Zazaaji · June 2015

That is allowed in literally every single MMO that I have ever played, I don't see why it wouldn't be here. I don't mind when people discriminate against me for being "a lizard", it kinda helps immersion actually.
The only thing that isn't allowed is discrimination against real life races and the like.
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UrQuan · June 2015

Zazaaji wrote: »

I don't mind when people discriminate against me for being "a lizard", it kinda helps immersion actually.

An Argonian savage? Bah, stay away from your betters, s'wit!

Zazaaji · June 2015

@Azurephoenix999 - As a second thought, you REALLY should add "in-game races" to the title. This forum lets you edit any post at any time, including title. I'd do it just to ensure some ZoS employee doesn't instantly assume you mean real life races without reading the post giving you a ban.

EDIT: I see you took my advice

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Azurephoenix999 · June 2015

Thanks, lizard!

olemanwinter · June 2015

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

Azurephoenix999 · June 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

Zazaaji · June 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".

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TheShadowScout · June 2015

I'd agree, most MMOs I know of allow "roleplayed discrimination" to better immersion, and most have rules against any kind of the same regarding real life.
And don't forget, there is also the other side where the other race characters can roleplay "resentment agains the stuck up racist altmer/dunmer/bretons/imperials" or go around seeing revenge... (there is a quest like that in Mournhold, even... and some of it shows up during the Stormhaven questline...)

I can recall some funny scenes where people were extremely different in-character and out-of-character in that regard while roleplaying some "evil" or "racist" character...

Azurephoenix999 · June 2015

Zazaaji wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".
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Quick question, what happens if someone reports you for insulting them when you did no such thing?

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

Apparently you're too PC. I wonder if you noticed the hypocrisy in this ^^^

UrQuan · June 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".
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Quick question, what happens if someone reports you for insulting them when you did no such thing?

Most likely absolutely nothing will happen. Reports are reviewed by ZOS staff - they're not going to take disciplinary action against you based on a single report from a single person if there's no evidence to back it up.

The_Sadist · June 2015

If the person in question is into it I don't see why not, but if you're actively kicking someone from a dungeon run because they're Argonian or some sort of Mer you probably should sort out your priorities. That being said, not everyone will take kindly to a random 'swearing' at them, so, once again, ensure the other person is happy to roleplay.

Zazaaji · June 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".
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Quick question, what happens if someone reports you for insulting them when you did no such thing?

Most likely absolutely nothing will happen. Reports are reviewed by ZOS staff - they're not going to take disciplinary action against you based on a single report from a single person if there's no evidence to back it up.

Presents a problem for Consoles. There is no log of voice chats, even for ZoS. They've stated that. Really makes me question how they determine if someone is screaming obscenities all the time or the like on Consoles.
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UrQuan · June 2015

Zazaaji wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".
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Quick question, what happens if someone reports you for insulting them when you did no such thing?

Most likely absolutely nothing will happen. Reports are reviewed by ZOS staff - they're not going to take disciplinary action against you based on a single report from a single person if there's no evidence to back it up.

Presents a problem for Consoles. There is no log of voice chats, even for ZoS. They've stated that. Really makes me question how they determine if someone is screaming obscenities all the time or the like on Consoles.
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I'd guess they probably don't take any action if they only get one report about a player, but if they get a number of reports about the same player then they take action.

Akavir_Sentinel · June 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".
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Quick question, what happens if someone reports you for insulting them when you did no such thing?

Most likely absolutely nothing will happen. Reports are reviewed by ZOS staff - they're not going to take disciplinary action against you based on a single report from a single person if there's no evidence to back it up.

Presents a problem for Consoles. There is no log of voice chats, even for ZoS. They've stated that. Really makes me question how they determine if someone is screaming obscenities all the time or the like on Consoles.
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I'd guess they probably don't take any action if they only get one report about a player, but if they get a number of reports about the same player then they take action.

What are they going to take action on? The voice chat isn't recorded by Zenimax. No matter how many times a particular player is reported, they have zero proof.

There are players on PC that have been exploiting for months, if not a year, and Zenimax hasn't done squat.

OzJohnD · June 2015

Nords are the true master race !

UrQuan · June 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".
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Quick question, what happens if someone reports you for insulting them when you did no such thing?

Most likely absolutely nothing will happen. Reports are reviewed by ZOS staff - they're not going to take disciplinary action against you based on a single report from a single person if there's no evidence to back it up.

Presents a problem for Consoles. There is no log of voice chats, even for ZoS. They've stated that. Really makes me question how they determine if someone is screaming obscenities all the time or the like on Consoles.
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I'd guess they probably don't take any action if they only get one report about a player, but if they get a number of reports about the same player then they take action.

What are they going to take action on? The voice chat isn't recorded by Zenimax. No matter how many times a particular player is reported, they have zero proof.

There are players on PC that have been exploiting for months, if not a year, and Zenimax hasn't done squat.

It's not a criminal court... They don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If they believe that you are deserving of some form of disciplinary action, they can do that. If they get 50 different people reporting that 1 particular player is going around harassing people racial slurs, they're not going to just shrug and say "well, we sure wish we had proof."

shiva7663 · June 2015

"knife-ear" is an insult that Bosmers use against Altmers.

Akavir_Sentinel · June 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".
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Quick question, what happens if someone reports you for insulting them when you did no such thing?

Most likely absolutely nothing will happen. Reports are reviewed by ZOS staff - they're not going to take disciplinary action against you based on a single report from a single person if there's no evidence to back it up.

Presents a problem for Consoles. There is no log of voice chats, even for ZoS. They've stated that. Really makes me question how they determine if someone is screaming obscenities all the time or the like on Consoles.
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I'd guess they probably don't take any action if they only get one report about a player, but if they get a number of reports about the same player then they take action.

What are they going to take action on? The voice chat isn't recorded by Zenimax. No matter how many times a particular player is reported, they have zero proof.

There are players on PC that have been exploiting for months, if not a year, and Zenimax hasn't done squat.

It's not a criminal court... They don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If they believe that you are deserving of some form of disciplinary action, they can do that. If they get 50 different people reporting that 1 particular player is going around harassing people racial slurs, they're not going to just shrug and say "well, we sure wish we had proof."

Then all I have to do is get 50+ of my guild mates or friends to report some player we don't like and get him banned. That sounds fair....

Zazaaji · June 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are we really so PC that you are asking if it's okay for you to discriminate against an imaginary race in a fictional world game?

Furthermore, there is a difference between discrimination and racism, even in a fictional virtual world.

There a guilds that forbid vampires and guilds for vampires. That's discrimination.

Now, as a vampire character I would get pretty annoyed if some player followed me around in the game shouting and whispering vampire insults at me. That's harassing even in a virtual fictional sense.

I just want to make sure. Although I've never played an MMO, I've had experiences in the past in which incredibly PC people have harassed me for not doing things their way.

You'll get those people in literally every single MMO out there. Some people in console ESO have apparently gotten harassed and incredibly cursed at by a new player because they wouldn't give them their non-tradable crown store mount. It's unavoidable in MMO's. For PC you can just put them on Ignore, but for consoles..... well, as the devs said: "walk away".
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Quick question, what happens if someone reports you for insulting them when you did no such thing?

Most likely absolutely nothing will happen. Reports are reviewed by ZOS staff - they're not going to take disciplinary action against you based on a single report from a single person if there's no evidence to back it up.

Presents a problem for Consoles. There is no log of voice chats, even for ZoS. They've stated that. Really makes me question how they determine if someone is screaming obscenities all the time or the like on Consoles.
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I'd guess they probably don't take any action if they only get one report about a player, but if they get a number of reports about the same player then they take action.

What are they going to take action on? The voice chat isn't recorded by Zenimax. No matter how many times a particular player is reported, they have zero proof.

There are players on PC that have been exploiting for months, if not a year, and Zenimax hasn't done squat.

It's not a criminal court... They don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If they believe that you are deserving of some form of disciplinary action, they can do that. If they get 50 different people reporting that 1 particular player is going around harassing people racial slurs, they're not going to just shrug and say "well, we sure wish we had proof."

Then all I have to do is get 50+ of my guild mates or friends to report some player we don't like and get him banned. That sounds fair....

Exactly why I made this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/186453/zos-without-voice-chat-logs-on-console-what-determines-punishments
Really though, I made it because this thread is derailing fast.

On Topic: I never understood how "knife ear" is an insult to elfs

Yes they have pointed ears, but how is calling them a potentially deadly weapon for auditory canals in your head an insult?
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MyM16sHot · June 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Thanks, lizard!

Come visit us in Shadowfen, i'm sure there's a gloomy secluded marsh somewhere where you, me and my Saxheel buddies can hang out and talk about lizards.

BigInGlenumbra · June 2015

I've kicked people because they were Orcs on a few occasions.

I don't regret it.

Stories-Bones-Tell · June 2015

Reminder: Argonian is the master race and you are all inferior for not rolling one

DNBOY · June 2015

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

I've kicked people because they were Orcs on a few occasions.

I don't regret it.

Why you are so Mean to Orcs thats bad we Done nathing wrong to you

#orcforlife

DNBOY · June 2015

ELIN MASTER RACE

OPS Wrong game