Wheelhouse413 wrote: »

It's kind of absurd that there's no text chat in an MMO.

It's also kind of absurd that you can't be in both group and guild voice chats at the same time.

It's also kind of absurd that I have to turn of area chat every time I zone. Nothing more immersion killing than area chat.

nastuug wrote: »

Zusia211 wrote: »

I want to vote no now only cause everyone just repeats themselves for each side. This could have been done in a post if we just put the arguing points for each side.

Because that's a logical reason to vote against implementing console text chat...

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

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If I hit 50 (taking my time atm and level 15) and there still isn't text chat, goodbye. I resfue to play half a game. Text chat would open up many more possibilities and extend the life of the game.

This is my approach as well.

If I'd had known this game came without certain (imo) basic features, I would've saved my money.

Amiculi wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

I have played several MMO's and I can say that while playing these games having text chat was nice for selling/buying/group finding/recruiting.

I however typically like change against the status-quo and was really pumped to see that the MMO that I was about to start playing was leaving chat behind and forcing people to communicate with their natural tool being the voice.

Since playing the game I have seen some of the difficulties in the game for people selling/buying/recruiting/group finding. If I find anyone who annoys me I just mute them or block them and the problem is solved.

There needed to be some more thought that went into this for things like designated Selling/buying areas in each town or something like that. Farmers market if you will.

With all that said I think in the interim they add text in some manor for PS and XB(XB Glass is the easy fix). Then continue to develop their vision for voice chat. If they can really make it work, then people will leave text and use voice (all on their own), because it is easier once voice is developed properly.

Something that needs to be said as well is that people will evolve and make it better because together we are very creative.

Change for change's sake is almost never good. Change needs a reason behind it.

There was no reason to take out text chat, text chat is standard in online mediums because it just works. Voice chat is great for small groups and people have been using it as such since the option first existed, but they continue to use text chat in larger mediums like public chat, guild chat and trade chat because voice chat is simply a mess when more than one person is talking.

When people are speaking vocally you have to go one at a time and take your turn politely and that simply doesn't happen on the internet, even when everyone agrees to it. Not because they're necessarily being rude (though they often are), but because EVERYTHING else is lost.

When you're having a conversation in person you have body language to cue, you know when someone's done talking, who they're addressing and much more based on their behavior, where they're looking, what they're doing with their hands, etc.

All of that is lost online, and then you add in the additional layer of internet delay and even attempting to take turns means every pause between speakers stretches into the awkward phase where no one knows for sure who's turn it is, if the other person is done, if their mic cut out, etc..

That can be worked with in a small group of 2-6 or so, but once you go over that it turns into a mess. Most guilds with VOIP servers actually use complex muting privileges and chat channel organization so that raid leader can inform group leaders who can inform their group and groups can give feedback to the group leader who can inform the raid leader. There's a hierarchy and the tools to enforce it to result in smooth organization in situations where voice chat is required.

These tools do not exist here, even if we were willing to use them we'd have to use outside software to achieve that kind of organization within the software, not that it's specifically necessary but the point is just how limited the voice chat options available to us are.

Not only is text chat missing but the voice chat is anything but robust.

Now, again, change for change's sake is almost never good. The status quo exists because it's what works, experimentation and modification of that with evidence based progression is fine, but just throwing out the baby with the bath water is rash and sometimes dangerous, but usually just stupid.