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Templar or Dragonknight

  • KrustyWilly
    Does it cost any gold or is it free?
  • KrustyWilly
    Nevermind lol
  • hamgatan
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    no thats what i just said - it costs gold. sliding scale based on how many points you have.

    someone above posted about throwing Attrib points into Health.. I wouldn't do that unless you're planning on Tanking later on. Throw everything into either Magicka/Stamina depending on what you're playing as. If you chose Imperial DK, definitely throw everything into Stam. Magicka Templar? Obviously Magicka. Buff health on your gear with Enchants. At low levels mobs drop so many white glyphs its not funny.. Just apply one or seven to your gear.
    PC / NA - 1900 CP

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
  • KrustyWilly
    Alright thanks and @likewow777 what would you say magika or stamina templar? You've been really helpfull along with others and you know the game well.
  • hamgatan
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    Choose your race based on whether you go Magicka or Stamina also.

    The racial passives for Imperials make them better suited to a Stamina Build (Conditioning Passive - 10% Stam @ Rank III)

    The racial passives for Nords give them exceptional Health Recovery (so better for tanking IMHO)

    Personally I'd go Redguard over both of those for a Stamina Build as the racial passives not only give you additional Stam, But added combat Stam Recovery as well.

    Also have a think which role you will serve (DPS/Tank/Healer) as that will come into play later on and it's good to set the framework for it up now.
    Edited by hamgatan on June 23, 2015 2:40AM
    PC / NA - 1900 CP

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
  • likewow777
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    Alright thanks and @likewow777 what would you say magika or stamina templar? You've been really helpfull along with others and you know the game well.

    Like @hamgatan says above, your race, Imperial, makes using stamina easier than magicka. You'll just have more of it, and that would translate to attacks hitting harder. Plus, the Balanced Warrior passive in Aedric Spear increases weapon damage (cool!). On top of that, Biting Jabs grants you the Major Savagery buff, which boosts your critical chance. All you have to do is use the skill, which you'll probably be doing anyway. Normally, you'd need some sort of skill slotted to give you that buff, or drink a potion.

    The downside to a stamina Templar is that any magicka class skills are gonna suck. That's not such a huge deal, in my opinion, other than your burst heal, Breath of Life. It's gonna cost a lot, your magicka pool is gonna be low, and it's not going to heal for as much as a magicka build. But as DPS, if you're doing damage and staying away from big attacks, you probably aren't going to need it anyway :smile:

    I happen to like stamina builds, which is why I generally choose that path for DPS.
    Alright thanks. I put 3 points in magika, 3 in health, and 1 in stamina but from now on I'll pump all,my points into health and stamina. And I'm going to sound really stupid and I'll realize once you say it what it is, but what do you mean when you says buffs and buff food?

    Food and drink buffs are craftable items that boost your characters health, stamina, and/or magicka. Foods increase their base value, drinks increase the speed at which you regenerate that stat. You can only have one or the other, not both. Green food/drink increases a single stat, blue increases two, and purple increase all three.
    "War doesn't build character, it reveals it."
  • KrustyWilly
    Thanks! I'm gonna try to respec all my stats tonight and throw all my attribute points into stamina and work on my food/drink creations. I'm gonna rock probably full heavy armor tonight because I have some health boosts on that but what armor setup do you run? Like 5 H 2 M? Or something like that?
  • hamgatan
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    7 Medium if you are going Stamina. Medium Armor has specific passives that stack based on how many pieces you are wearing. It also has Stamina related passives as well.

    There's no point deviating from that setup right now, later on you can weigh up the pro's and cons of a passive like Undaunted Mettle using 5M/1H/1L but you're nowhere near that point yet.
    Edited by hamgatan on June 23, 2015 4:24AM
    PC / NA - 1900 CP

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
  • KrustyWilly
    Alright thanks! I'm probably gonna do that and I think I want to do dual wield instead of 2 handed. It seems like it'll be better for group fighting especially with the steel tornado (something close to that)
  • KrustyWilly
    And hey @likewow777 when you say doing damage and staying away from big attacks so you mean run in deal a ton of damage and run back out?
  • BurtFreeman
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    Thanks! I'm gonna try to respec all my stats tonight and throw all my attribute points into stamina and work on my food/drink creations. I'm gonna rock probably full heavy armor tonight because I have some health boosts on that but what armor setup do you run? Like 5 H 2 M? Or something like that?


    i suggest you do not keep your health dowm, in low levels, otherwise you are going to die easily several time when you fight mobs; anyway experience your way is always a good thing to do, and you always be able to respect (respect attributes is cheep, around 3k for 60 points; skill respect is around 12k over 300 skills)
    early in game, and in pve, your main target is the survivability and learn 1 good ranged, dot, stun combo to use in conjuction with 1 dps combo. later on when you master the class you may dedicate your attenction in a proper build, becouse you already mastering your survival skills.
    i always met in dungeon low levels werrior with 7k healt, and 12k magika or stamina. they always going to die 3,4 time in dungeon, becouse there is no gap of sustain with such low health pool. they cant even survive 1 attack .
    Edited by BurtFreeman on June 23, 2015 6:32AM
  • BurtFreeman
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    And hey @likewow777 when you say doing damage and staying away from big attacks so you mean run in deal a ton of damage and run back out?


    the best way to fight is start with an havy attack, then with a ranged multiple target + stun-immobilizing + damage over time attack combo.
    some class have a powerfull stun immobilizing spell, other not. in the time the mobs are frying by dot becouse where stunned and immobilized in a area, you keep your distance, moving aroun in circle, and take it easy with heavy attack, then repeat the combo. you will keep your resource on.
    then you must have a nice dps attack combo (dps come from different way, mundus, armor-weapon, enchantment, potions, skills and passive: it's a lot of thing to look inside, and will not difficult to get a nice result for each class),
    anyway you will need a dedicated build going into pvp, and will take a while to prepare your alts for a nice pvp experience.
    once in pve, if you take care at your health, you are almost fine. i found only one boss that i could not kill soloing with my templar (was a kind of troll with healt regen), but i keep alive my templar with breath of life, becouse he could not kill me eigther, for my high health, then another player coming and we buried it with just one multiple attack.
    Edited by BurtFreeman on June 23, 2015 6:56AM
  • hamgatan
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    i suggest you do not keep your health dowm, in low levels, otherwise you are going to die easily several time when you fight mobs; anyway experience your way is always a good thing to do, and you always be able to respect (respect attributes is cheep, around 3k for 60 points; skill respect is around 12k over 300 skills)

    that only really applies to initial first characters (which OP is, so it applies)

    once you have Master Crafting right up on a higher level char you can continually craft new gear for the new char you're levelling and you will never have a sustainability issue. This is what I do for all my chars, Craft with my VR14 and dump it onto the lowbie toon. I'm replacing a Hundings/Ashen Grip combo every ten levels and sustainability is not the slightest issue.

    Edited by hamgatan on June 23, 2015 6:52AM
    PC / NA - 1900 CP

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
  • BurtFreeman
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    hamgatan wrote: »
    that only really applies to initial first characters

    i'm totally agree, my suggestions for KrustyWilly becouse he sayed was fairely new with eso.

  • KrustyWilly
    All right thanks guys! And what is a good DPS combo you guys use on your guys? You said something about having a good one. Ill spread points into health as well as magika or stamina, whichever I choose.
  • BurtFreeman
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    All right thanks guys! And what is a good DPS combo you guys use on your guys? You said something about having a good one. Ill spread points into health as well as magika or stamina, whichever I choose.

    few examople of dps (damage per second) comboes you use or mix with dot (damage over time) combo (have a look at the empower, major prophecy and major sorcery skills, becouse is from there that the dps get is power)

    DragonKnight: molten armaments + 2h uppercut + lava wip + heavy attack

    Sorc: Power surge + crystal fragment (dps) + crushing shock (fire staff) + endless fury (executioner)

    templar *: elemental drain + solar barrage + crushing shock (fire stuff)

    *: themplar class dps is not the best, but have strong ranged dot skills, so at the end the results is fine, if not better.

    those combo get the best from the passives
    Edited by BurtFreeman on June 23, 2015 7:32PM
  • Mitchblue
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    Nice thread. Players helping other players, I love it. And as a bystander it helped me as well so thanks.
    Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?
  • BurtFreeman
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    hamgatan wrote: »
    7 Medium if you are going Stamina. Medium Armor has specific passives that stack based on how many pieces you are wearing. It also has Stamina related passives as well.

    There's no point deviating from that setup right now, later on you can weigh up the pro's and cons of a passive like Undaunted Mettle using 5M/1H/1L but you're nowhere near that point yet.

    i do not suggest stamina build early in game, becouse you do not going to master the class skills, but is almost something you may do later on.

    armour: learning the game the best you can do is 5 light, 1 medium, 1 height. the light armor passives ensure you a nice magika pool, that is wath you need to training most of the skills. medium and heavy armor may have the training trait, so you could improve those skill line just wearing 1 piece.

    weapon: training a new char i go always with flame staff, the most powerfull weapon the game have, and a resto staff.
    then at higher level, i change the way i like, tank, healer, spellcaster.
  • likewow777
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    And hey @likewow777 when you say doing damage and staying away from big attacks so you mean run in deal a ton of damage and run back out?

    When I DPS, I think of it as a "me or him", type of thing. I try and dish out the damage faster than what I get hit with, ideally getting no damage at all. Obviously, that's not really practical, and there are big attacks, which you'll learn to see. Many enemies like to hit you with Uppercut, for example, which sends you flying back, CCs, and drops your health a ton. Blocking that, when you get used to what it looks like, is one example of avoiding big attacks. Daedra from dolmens, for example, tend to use high powered attacks. Watchers have their green eye beam, Daedroth shoot fire, Lich do a ton of AoEs on the ground, etc. A good DPS will see all of these things and avoid them.

    Remember: Dead, your DPS is 0.

    There's a lot of advice above about keeping health high early on, using light armor instead of medium, etc, that I won't quote because it's just going to bloat this post. It's all great advice, especially the attack stuff. However, you will always find builds and playstyles that conform to different standards. I, for example, put no points in HP and for stamina builds I forget about magicka almost entirely. Still, none of my stamina DPS characters have ever had problems with dying.

    It can be an issue early on to have resources to do anything at all. That's just the way it is. Weaving heavy attacks is a good idea. I've found that by the time I can unlock weapon swap, lvl 15, my DPS and resources are high enough to deal with standard 3-man mobs without issues.

    As @BurtFreeman says, though, the only trouble is levelling class skills. Do you need to unlock all of them? Probably not. I certainly don't. What you do want, though, are all the passives, which only unlock if you level skills and get the class tree levelled up. Typically, I use Bar 2 to level non-primary skills and weapons. When turning in a quest, finishing a dolmen, whatever it is that gives XP, I swap to Bar 2 prior. The game levels skills that are on the active bar at the time.
    "War doesn't build character, it reveals it."
  • KrustyWilly
    Thanks guys! This has helped me a lot and I'll continue referencing it as I continue leveling up!
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