i voted yes, only because I am a lazy bum

No, each character is an individual.

it just dawned on me that I have not seen angry nord ever make a post that was sarcastic and ill mannered.

the point my drunk angry sarcastic forum poster is so that players can play how they want, or have as many or as few characters as they want, and neither force them to have 1 nor 8 characters, thus opening up as many aspects of the game to as many demographics of players as possible increasing the amount of people the game can appeal to and thus maximizing the amount of players witch in tern maximizes the possible amount of income from said players through things like subscriptions or convenience items.

people who only play one character are only going to play one regardless of what you try and force them to do with game systems, and if you try to force them to play more then one you run the equal chance of them feeling like they are missing out on the full game experience with their given play style and simply leaving the game as it is not right for them, this is no bueno from a company perspective.

people who play multiple characters (or altoholics) are also going to play more then one character regardless of what you try and force them to do.

besides eso's class system pretty much makes it impossible to do everything on one character because you will never have access to all skills. let alone the skill points to do everything, and of those there is a purposeful prohibitive lack of built into the game to prevent exactly that, people being able to do everything on one character.

. . .tada

Why can't I use chains on my sorc?

Why do I need to know a style AND use a style stone to craft some gear?

Where is the I WIN button?

WAAAAAAHHHHH!

For the love of all that is good and holy STAHP with the asking to take the game out of the game!!!

I believe the game has gone far enough with account wide items. Champion points in it self serves a purpose of leveling character strength on secondary characters. I don't want to see this implemented with anything else.

Achievements, skill lines, crafting traits, bank space, mount speed, - all of it should in my opinion stay character based. Period.

"if you want to make enemies, try and change something"

I would probably try to respond to some of the comments but as they are neither well thought out, intelligently written, and lack any kind of supporting argument I doubt I would get any intellectual debate going. . .like arguing with a rock.

I am curious then why people are okay with the champion point system being account based. as it is a very similar time sink if not worse because it actually dramatically effects character strength unlike the trait system that is only a time wall. . .but once again, rocks.

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Let me guess, you also want AP account-wide, and skill points account-wide, and riding skills account-wide, and lore books account-wide, and........you see where this is going.

The sheer amount of entitlement and whine threads that have hit this forum since it went B2P and released on console is astounding.

if you could point out in any post I have ever made ever, or more specifically just this thread, were I asked for anything you have suggested I would love to see it.

your guess is just that, a guess. un informed, un intellectual, nothing. just posting stuff for the sake of posting that was neither part of the topic nor asked for.

as for the connection of BTP = this argument. . .check my join date, im a beta player and full subscriber since launch, once again an un informed post with no supporting arguments or facts. . .a rock as it were. I noticed you joined today btw? grats on your first post

daemonios wrote: »

You use that word "arguing", but I don't think it means what you think it means. While my own comment was admittedly sarcastic, I think my position is still quite clear. And ignoring my own post, I see valid points raised by others before your unwarranted reaction.

a hyperbolic overly sarcastic post that ends in (and I quote) "WAHHHHHHHH" gets the kind of response and respect it deserves, that is to say, none.

as to other posts, there is one (marcus) that was well thought out and could spark interesting debate. but the others either had trollish qualities to them or were firm in there unwillingness to either here arguments or possibly ever change there opinions, once again neither of which are worth wasting time on.

I myself am left with asking for the possibility of traits being bound to account because of ZoS's lack of common features that I will not discuss here.

If traits were learned for the account instead of for one character, would you also take away the possibility to research things in parallel on several characters? If so, research would take forever regardless of how you do it. If not, all traits could be researched in full in a couple of months. The situation now is that you have to decide whether to split the crafting across several characters, spend more on motifs and shuffling between characters but have the research done faster, or keep it all on a single crafting character, saving you from learning the motifs on several characters but spending a lot more time on the research. I kind of like the balance the way it is.

(Edit: typo)

It would go one of 2 ways:

1. It would open it up to abuse, so that you could have 8 characters each research a different trait on a given item, and in a few hours you're an 8-trait crafter.
2. If a restriction is put on it so that all characters researching in a given craft are treated the same as 1 character today (so you can only research 3 traits in Blacksmithing across all characters, etc) then you wouldn't be able to do what you can do today and have 1 character as your weapon crafter and another as your armour crafter (or however you choose to split things up).

Either of those scenarios would be worse than what we have now IMO.

Wing wrote: »

fantastic responses all, thank you very much for your well thought out and factually supported arguments. seriously that is what I was looking for. :wub:

as far as how it would work I would figure it would track what your researching across all your characters, so if you were researching a precise sword, maul, and axe, then went to your other character it would say your at 3/3 being researched and show you the time remaining (as it does now)

i can only see this as being convenience, as i don't think people have multiple crafters of the same profession (correct me if im wrong that) and you still have to do everything you had to do before, purchase the skills, buy the items, spend the time, etc. the only thing your removing is swapping characters and using the bank to transfer items, neither of those are gameplay features your bypassing or balance issues.

is there something i am missing?

OK, I'll correct you: you're wrong I've got my clothing split up between a medium armour crafter and a light armour crafter, and my blacksmithing split up between a weapon crafter and an armour crafter.

UrQuan wrote: »

OK, I'll correct you: you're wrong I've got my clothing split up between a medium armour crafter and a light armour crafter, and my blacksmithing split up between a weapon crafter and an armour crafter.

Thank the 8! I thought I was the only one that does this. So it makes sense though. Why spend all that time finding traits for both medium and light armor when 2 characters can easily split the difference?

I have to lean towards OP though. It just seems like waaay too much of a time sink that ZOS created. I could understand if the research times were like a week tops (with passives) for the last few traits, but idk if I'm going to be playing a character for over a year in order to get all those traits.

In addition, what if you were to get sick of a toon, with no interest whatsoever to play them? Aside from the crafting, they're just taking up space on your character list. Even for rp purposes, if I'm done with a character, I want to kill them off or something...I don't like having dead weight around lol.

Maybe if there were a crown store consumable that you could use to transfer your trait research for one craft to another character, that would be better than the current system imo.

I vote yes to traits only, since traits are nothing more than a time wall. Literally.

Unlike AP gains, achievements, skill lines and other similar things, you don't have to be in-game doing anything in order to research traits. Literally, click the research button and log off for a month. It's pretty lame.

And it hardly entices people to play more.