CP is a Death Sentence..

pmn100b16_ESO · June 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i read a lot in this discussion.
the fact the old veteran player are going to like cp, let me think that this game will not going to have long life, in term of longevity, this becouse the newbie will not have any weight.
a comunity grow up by the contribute of all the people, not just by the veteran, and if new player are not involved in a right way, they may choose other place to get fan.
dear veterans, cp account bound is a cheating and nothing esle, you may be defend this system, and as i say i full accept your point of view, but at the end you'll may find yourself play eso in a small numbers, as lot of gamers will leave for sure, once this kind of thinking will aprroch into p2w.
again to keep the comunity grow up we may chose to give full word at the new players, about what they are aspect to find in game, instead of raging against.

good discussion, good game.

If you want a game where new players can compete right out of the box try the call of duty games or maybe GTAV. MMOs do not operate like that. You have to invest time in your character before you will be able to compete.

James I understand your point of view completely "if you will read as I said earlier I am blessed enough to have the time to grind if it comes to that", but you must think about the LONG TERM picture here.

Also I agree everyone should have to put effort into a character and not be god mode out of the box as you said. But I also do not think players should be punished just because they cannot wear diapers and live off of hot pockets and energy drinks just to be able to compete with me.

You wear diapers?

But seriously, this is why I quit the game with 1.6. I could be the daily hardcore grinder, but stomping over new players in Cryodiil day after day wasn't to my taste. And I'm only interested in pvp.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i read a lot in this discussion.
the fact the old veteran player are going to like cp, let me think that this game will not going to have long life, in term of longevity, this becouse the newbie will not have any weight.
a comunity grow up by the contribute of all the people, not just by the veteran, and if new player are not involved in a right way, they may choose other place to get fan.
dear veterans, cp account bound is a cheating and nothing esle, you may be defend this system, and as i say i full accept your point of view, but at the end you'll may find yourself play eso in a small numbers, as lot of gamers will leave for sure, once this kind of thinking will aprroch into p2w.
again to keep the comunity grow up we may chose to give full word at the new players, about what they are aspect to find in game, instead of raging against.

good discussion, good game.

If you want a game where new players can compete right out of the box try the call of duty games or maybe GTAV. MMOs do not operate like that. You have to invest time in your character before you will be able to compete.

James I understand your point of view completely "if you will read as I said earlier I am blessed enough to have the time to grind if it comes to that", but you must think about the LONG TERM picture here.

Also I agree everyone should have to put effort into a character and not be god mode out of the box as you said. But I also do not think players should be punished just because they cannot wear diapers and live off of hot pockets and energy drinks just to be able to compete with me just because they bought the game 6 months after I did.

Players are not being punished lol. Where do you get that from? Its like that in all mmos. the people who have been here and put in the time are the ones who have the most to show for it. Long term handing people everything from day one will only bore them and drive them away. Meanwhile people been investing time in their character for a year are being wiped by some guy who just rolled his character two days ago?

Again I say if you arent willing to build your character and expect this to be battlefield 6 you are in the wrong genre.

ADarklore · June 2015

ANY MMO that has been for any length of time has disparity between veteran players and new players, new players shouldn't expect to be on par with them until they have put in the equal amount of time. Not sure where this sense of, "I'm a new player therefore I'm entitled to be equal to someone who has played much longer" comes from. Put in several months of effort and it shall be rewarded, but expecting to be equal to a veteran player within a couple of weeks has nothing to do with the game, and everything to do with that player's attitude.

Funkopotamus · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i read a lot in this discussion.
the fact the old veteran player are going to like cp, let me think that this game will not going to have long life, in term of longevity, this becouse the newbie will not have any weight.
a comunity grow up by the contribute of all the people, not just by the veteran, and if new player are not involved in a right way, they may choose other place to get fan.
dear veterans, cp account bound is a cheating and nothing esle, you may be defend this system, and as i say i full accept your point of view, but at the end you'll may find yourself play eso in a small numbers, as lot of gamers will leave for sure, once this kind of thinking will aprroch into p2w.
again to keep the comunity grow up we may chose to give full word at the new players, about what they are aspect to find in game, instead of raging against.

good discussion, good game.

If you want a game where new players can compete right out of the box try the call of duty games or maybe GTAV. MMOs do not operate like that. You have to invest time in your character before you will be able to compete.

James I understand your point of view completely "if you will read as I said earlier I am blessed enough to have the time to grind if it comes to that", but you must think about the LONG TERM picture here.

Also I agree everyone should have to put effort into a character and not be god mode out of the box as you said. But I also do not think players should be punished just because they cannot wear diapers and live off of hot pockets and energy drinks just to be able to compete with me just because they bought the game 6 months after I did.

Players are not being punished lol. Where do you get that from? Its like that in all mmos. the people who have been here and put in the time are the ones who have the most to show for it. Long term handing people everything from day one will only bore them and drive them away. Meanwhile people been investing time in their character for a year are being wiped by some guy who just rolled his character two days ago?

Again I say if you arent willing to build your character and expect this to be battlefield 6 you are in the wrong genre.

I ask you then..... Since you are so worried about people being forced "Invest the time" is it fair that players are able to transfer these CP grinders v14's over to the console?

I mean they did not have to "invest" the time there? Now if transfers were never allowed this would not be such a huge problem, but with it happening those players NEVER were on equal playing starts with the mass of the player base so how does that make the grinders any better?

If the CP system wants to stay then transfers should have never happened.

Basically your point of view is
"DANG IT I was here first and you are going to "EATMYEXPEVENTHO" I am bad at PvP.
^^ those are the types of players this promotes.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i read a lot in this discussion.
the fact the old veteran player are going to like cp, let me think that this game will not going to have long life, in term of longevity, this becouse the newbie will not have any weight.
a comunity grow up by the contribute of all the people, not just by the veteran, and if new player are not involved in a right way, they may choose other place to get fan.
dear veterans, cp account bound is a cheating and nothing esle, you may be defend this system, and as i say i full accept your point of view, but at the end you'll may find yourself play eso in a small numbers, as lot of gamers will leave for sure, once this kind of thinking will aprroch into p2w.
again to keep the comunity grow up we may chose to give full word at the new players, about what they are aspect to find in game, instead of raging against.

good discussion, good game.

If you want a game where new players can compete right out of the box try the call of duty games or maybe GTAV. MMOs do not operate like that. You have to invest time in your character before you will be able to compete.

James I understand your point of view completely "if you will read as I said earlier I am blessed enough to have the time to grind if it comes to that", but you must think about the LONG TERM picture here.

Also I agree everyone should have to put effort into a character and not be god mode out of the box as you said. But I also do not think players should be punished just because they cannot wear diapers and live off of hot pockets and energy drinks just to be able to compete with me just because they bought the game 6 months after I did.

Players are not being punished lol. Where do you get that from? Its like that in all mmos. the people who have been here and put in the time are the ones who have the most to show for it. Long term handing people everything from day one will only bore them and drive them away. Meanwhile people been investing time in their character for a year are being wiped by some guy who just rolled his character two days ago?

Again I say if you arent willing to build your character and expect this to be battlefield 6 you are in the wrong genre.

I ask you then..... Since you are so worried about people being forced "Invest the time" is it fair that players are able to transfer these CP grinders v14's over to the console?

I mean they did not have to "invest" the time there? Now if transfers were never allowed this would not be such a huge problem, but with it happening those players NEVER were on equal playing starts with the mass of the player base so how does that make the grinders any better?

If the CP system wants to stay then transfers should have never happened.

Basically your point of view is
"DANG IT I was here first and you are going to "EATMYEXPEVENTHO" I am bad at PvP.
^^ those are the types of players this promotes.

I was against them letting anyone transfer characters. In my opinion it should have been a fresh start for everyone. I did not pickup the ps4 version for this very reason. I may as well just stick with pc only. That has nothing to do with what we are discussing but yes it must be frustrating to have max level characters floating around with tons of gold etc on the launch week. Thats another topic tho.

BurtFreeman · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Players are not being punished lol. Where do you get that from? Its like that in all mmos. the people who have been here and put in the time are the ones who have the most to show for it. Long term handing people everything from day one will only bore them and drive them away. Meanwhile people been investing time in their character for a year are being wiped by some guy who just rolled his character two days ago?

Again I say if you arent willing to build your character and expect this to be battlefield 6 you are in the wrong genre.

the reality is a bit different, and i want to say my story: i bought the game early, played with 2 accounts for a while, got my powerfull vets, then unsuscribe for different reasons.
on my back with esotu, i see al my effort and time spend on my characters gone, with the new philosopy od champion system, the rewards given by long time play is almost gone if you quit playing this game for a while. again i agree with you about the levelling of character. give away for free the cp at the alts is another bad thing, as you see level 1 character going around with those strong passives (but i like a low level char get is buff).

i ask for a couple of icons appended to the names-title, becouse i will like to play without cp, and show at my opponent that i'm not using the system, at least for my only proud pourpose. i'm not against the cp point for the char is gain the points, i'm against the free give away at the alts. but at least i will like to have those icons that will me make proud of refusing if.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO · June 2015

CP is game - content(I know that some players are *** it up), so leave it.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

How is all your effort gone? You are still VR14. You still have all your gear etc. So some dude might have 7% more of something than you. That doesnt mean anything if the person doesnt know how to play the character. There is a limit to CP and its far below 3600 in reality. Fact is why would you invest points into heavy armor if you dont wear it? Put points into blocking but you dont use a shield?

So in reality about maybe 300 ish points is all you need. If you were vr 14 before that means you were given 75. Doesnt take long to earn the rest. If you pay for plus you get 10% more xp. If you dont there is really no difference between when you left and when you came back.

Imagine its like when you left the level cap was at one point then they raised it while you were gone. So now you have to get back to playing and advance you character. You cannot expect the game to sit on hold waiting for you to someday return.

Rune_Relic · June 2015

For those who really have no idea what they are talking about.....
..the magicka and health increases by the same amount at the same time.
This is without considering any other constellation active and passive bonuses.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Can you give a source for this chart or am I just supposed to trust it?

Funkopotamus · June 2015

I am going to borrow this from another thread.

Aaaaalrighty, let's do this thing.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11277994_10153311537580630_325777347_n.jpg?oh=ea6eb43e60d2dc394f453c9dc2b0a3ce&oe=55863A60
. Click to enlarge.

(source: http://teso.mmorpg-life.com/eso-skill-calculator/dragonknight/)
Sure, you focus on just one, you'd get pretty slaughtered by diminishingness. Funny thing though, there are THIRTY-SIX.
I just picked one passive from each of the nine constellations. so at about 150 points, you can choose one from each group, 300 you get two, and for the bargain price of precisely 421CP you can have all nine of these beauties. Overpowered? Well don't forget folks, there are another three in each constellation!

And on top of all that goodness, you got the stat bonuses. Just on magicka alone, on a base of 5000:
50 points =5452
100 points = 5668
200 points = 5987
300 points = 6240
400 points = 6458
(source: http://asolutionaday.com/elder-scrolls-calculators/elder-scrolls-online-magicka-calculator-apprentice-tree-champion/)

Pretty significant increases each time. Oh, and let's remember that is just the mage group. To get to those 400 points, you'd need 1200 total. And that's not even considering all the passivey goodness. To access the epic top-tier stuff, you'd need 360CP minimum. So no, pretty sure it makes a frigging huge difference, actually.

EDIT: Bear in mind, I'm not saying the CP system should be scrapped. Simply that pitting folks with all these goodies against someone who, unless they choose BwB, could potentially be as low as L10, is a bit of a bad idea. It's going to take some of us quite literally YEARS to get anywhere close to this.
(source: http://teso.mmorpg-life.com/eso-skill-calculator/dragonknight/)
Sure, you focus on just one, you'd get pretty slaughtered by diminishingness. Funny thing though, there are THIRTY-SIX.
I just picked one passive from each of the nine constellations. so at about 150 points, you can choose one from each group, 300 you get two, and for the bargain price of precisely 421CP you can have all nine of these beauties. Overpowered? Well don't forget folks, there are another three in each constellation!

And on top of all that goodness, you got the stat bonuses. Just on magicka alone, on a base of 5000:
50 points =5452
100 points = 5668
200 points = 5987
300 points = 6240
400 points = 6458
(source: http://asolutionaday.com/elder-scrolls-calculators/elder-scrolls-online-magicka-calculator-apprentice-tree-champion/)

Pretty significant increases each time. Oh, and let's remember that is just the mage group. To get to those 400 points, you'd need 1200 total. And that's not even considering all the passivey goodness. To access the epic top-tier stuff, you'd need 360CP minimum. So no, pretty sure it makes a frigging huge difference, actually.

EDIT: Bear in mind, I'm not saying the CP system should be scrapped. Simply that pitting folks with all these goodies against someone who, unless they choose BwB, could potentially be as low as L10, is a bit of a bad idea. It's going to take some of us quite literally YEARS to get anywhere close to this

Azalin76 · June 2015

I don't get the big deal about earning cp. I just hit vet ranks and played for about 4 hours today and earned around 8 cp during that time questing. It's really simple to earn them, I was getting at least 2 every hour.

k2blader · June 2015

Not sure what was trying to be said with that other graph, but I like his sig. Whatever the case..

Here's a graph for the Mage - Apprentice - Elemental Expert passive:

You can see it's a pretty linear fit.

The website below is the source for this and graphs of other passives, which as far as I saw follow the same linearity. The guys credited for doing the tests/calcs sometimes post on the PvP forums: asolutionaday.com/calculators-index/

If Zeni wanted to fix their CP system (as well as they could at this point, anyway), they'd adjust CPs so the investment looks more like this (pardon the hasty clip-copy-paste job):

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

ZOS best concentrate on new content before deciding to play with the game systems yet again. They cant make everyone happy but they can make people happy with new zones and new things to do. Better gear stuff like that. They spent the last year basically trying to please people who no matter what they do will never be pleased.

Parrotbrain · June 2015

Seems like people will always find something to complain about, first the veteran system and now the CP system. Other MMOs (yes you know who you are!) have it much worse, where you have to grind endlessly for gear and set pieces first in dungeons and then in different raid tiers just for it all to be replaced at the next patch. Catch-up would not happen for some who start during the middle of the expansion pack until the next expansion. Other MMOs have tremendous pay-2-win tactics (yes you know who you are!), where end game gear pieces have 12 different quality increments, and higher tier gear is vastly, practically incomparably more powerful, and the only way to improve your gear is to beat impossible RNG odds buy pouring real cash into items which improve your chances ever so slightly.

The champion system is fine. In my opinion the only thing lacking is a catch-up mechanic that will balance the playing field between current and new/returning players in a reasonable time-frame; New players and players who have taken a break can't expect to have their characters on par after a few days or weeks of play. Over the longer term however, that expectation is reasonable. Working to improve one's character over a period of times should create a sense of accomplishment; instant gratification leads to more unhappiness as that sense of accomplishment is lacking.

Wolfshead · June 2015

@Funkopotamus

Did you where play ESO before the add CP to game??

That my friend was a real death sentence to game it went so far that people that hit VR1 went to place where mobs was bug and farm for hours end just to lvl up and it even went so far that people stop play ESO to that simple fact it took age to lvl 1 VR lvl before CP system and also the epx bar did hardly move at all before CP system.

With CP system in place gave you feel you still gave reward for do thing even if you dont get lvl up which i think is really good that make VR lvl dont feel that bad at all.

Should it be remove?

Hell no CP system should not be remove but what ZoS should do is to remove VR lvl which the promise us when the show us CP system for 1st time then you can really feel free to do what every you want after you ding lvl 50.

BurtFreeman · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

How is all your effort gone? You are still VR14. You still have all your gear etc. So some dude might have 7% more of something than you. That doesnt mean anything if the person doesnt know how to play the character. There is a limit to CP and its far below 3600 in reality. Fact is why would you invest points into heavy armor if you dont wear it? Put points into blocking but you dont use a shield?

So in reality about maybe 300 ish points is all you need. If you were vr 14 before that means you were given 75. Doesnt take long to earn the rest. If you pay for plus you get 10% more xp. If you dont there is really no difference between when you left and when you came back.

Imagine its like when you left the level cap was at one point then they raised it while you were gone. So now you have to get back to playing and advance you character. You cannot expect the game to sit on hold waiting for you to someday return.

i really dislike the cp, but for what i can see is the passives of the system that are powerfull, other then the points you put here and there. so even if you suppose that you never use a shield, you still bashing all the time with any weapon. by this fact you will probabily got a big advantage to fill the bashing three with lot of points, but the target is to going in those 10, 30, 75, 120 passives.

nobody that has read the costellation can come over saying that there aren't so big difference. there are lot of powerfull thing into that, starting from the very first 10 points. i don't really mind if people like to use the system, but at least put an icon on the character name to show it, like we already do with the level (v1, v2, ...)

edit: and another right things will be that the cp could be gain after V14, becouse high veteran coming back with esotu will never like those v1 getting points for every alts; is not my case, i will just like to have a cp icon besithe the rank

Molsondry · June 2015

For a highly promoted pvp game ...

This

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

You are talking about PVP healthy and I think you guys are moving towards a good way. Removing former emperor buff is really a good way towards fairness. And we all know fairness is required for PVP healthy.

So my question is do you have plan for champions points unfairness in pvp? Could we have them disable when we enter pvp?

I dont care if some guy have more dps in a dungeon but for PVP we all know somone with maxed out champions points is over 35% stronger , 35% more resistant and regen 35% more being naked then a same level character who is also naked. This is a big flaw for PVP fairness.

Also wanted to know when do you plan to fix nirnhorned? It should only be on par with the armor resisttrait and the mats drop should be increased . Right now its a huge Gold/grinding time wall for that gear wich is also not fair or healthy for PVP.

Edit : Look at WoW they removed the 2.2k gear 2 year ago . Those weapon where only giving about 7% increased dmg/heal but it was creating a huge cap in order to break the 2.2k. If ou didnt have the weapons you had to be a 2.5k team to be able to beat a 2.2k team with those weapons . Simply because 7%increased burst (1st dps)+ a 7 % increased burst (2th dps) on same target (overall about 15% increased burst on the same target )+ the 7% healing buff is actualy extremely huge at those skill levels. (talking about 3v3 arena, if you look at eso its just multiplicatly stacking the more player with alot of champs points in your group making the gap ever worse ... alot worse)

. A 2.2k team simply didnt stand a chance agaisnt 2.2k team with 2.2k weapons itmade a huge wall into acquiring those 2.2k weapon if you didnt get carried by the top players . 2x 7% dmg buff on a single target makes a difference between death and alive , so does a 7% healing buff at high ends plays make the different between live and die.

Ive acheived 2.2k in every bracket in Wow after they actualy removed the 2.2k wall. and it made a huge difference for me being a 2.2k mmr player . that 7% change made the difference between achieving 2.2k and being stuck at 2.1k.

Those are the reason I really want those champions points removed from pvp. And is also the reason im saying removing the former 2% buff is a good way towards fairness.

But i would go farther the control keep PvP buff should be removed and instead changed into a DEBUFF yes a debuff . Why?? Having a whole map shall not give an advantage It should give disadvantage thinking you have such a huge place to defend .

Removing the buff to make more fairness like I explained equal skill, equal gear 9% buff is a HUGE difference. Why do you want to help the ALREADY WINNING faction.

And when saying a debuff its not a player debuff but a wall /npc debuff. Thinking you have less effective to defend all those keep.

The more you control, the more the npc /wall should be weak. Its simple logic and help balance out the weak faction.

Any one saying 2% buff does nothing havent played High end pvp . And anyone saying champions point is ok doesnt want any kind of competitve pvp in this game. my 2 cent.

Im playing this game for the pvp and the AvAvA part And pvp is about FAIRNESS. there is already a gap with the gear grind and lvl grind why add more gaps into it?

plz @ZOS_BrianWheeler I want this game to succed pvp wise and all those changes are required for healthy pvp.

Molsondry · June 2015

Also there is something usefull in ANY TREE of the champions system w/e you are playing . somone with full 3600 champions probly more then 50 to 100% stronger then someone with 0 with all the regen, the dmg , the mitigation , and the passive gived by champions point. how this can happen in a game where there is pvp . nonsense this isnt Diablo 3.

You cant have a wanna be paragon level system in a mmo with pvp and team dungeon . Pve is gonna be a nightmare to balance and pvp is gonna be nothing but unfair crap and eventually no one will play the pvp part because of it.

Edit : not to mention champions points boost your Stam point health points and magika point . Yet @ 150 champ points I get 70 stats per points. THATS IS HUGE!!!!!!!!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

A 2% buff in this game is nothing. Since they changed the numbers from small to large it really doesnt make that much of a difference. Noone has complained that I see except people who claim to be high end PVE or PVP people. The only reason they are complaining at all is because of the XP pots affecting CP gain. This system has been here for months and will continue to be here. The only thing they might remove is vet ranks and honestly Id be shocked if that happens at all now.

This isnt WoW. Things dont work like WoW here.

Molsondry · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

A 2% buff in this game is nothing. Since they changed the numbers from small to large it really doesnt make that much of a difference. Noone has complained that I see except people who claim to be high end PVE or PVP people. The only reason they are complaining at all is because of the XP pots affecting CP gain. This system has been here for months and will continue to be here. The only thing they might remove is vet ranks and honestly Id be shocked if that happens at all now.

This isnt WoW. Things dont work like WoW here.

Any pvp game its the same in any game if you doing 3v3 equal skill, equal gear the 2% + 2% +2% WILL make a difference. And you cant argue that.

CP are broken and the concept is good for a game like Diablo 3 where there is no pvp or group dungeon ( exactly where I see them take that idea . its a plain copy of paragon level.)

Wolfshead · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

Any pvp game its the same in any game if you doing 3v3 equal skill, equal gear the 2% + 2% +2% WILL make a difference. And you cant argue that.

CP are broken and the concept is good for a game like Diablo 3 where there is no pvp or group dungeon ( exactly where I see them take that idea . its a plain copy of paragon level.)

Like blizzard never every have copy anything from other game the are alot of thing in WoW that the have copy from other game come on everyone know that company copy from other in world of mmo.

Molsondry · June 2015

Wolfshead wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Any pvp game its the same in any game if you doing 3v3 equal skill, equal gear the 2% + 2% +2% WILL make a difference. And you cant argue that.

CP are broken and the concept is good for a game like Diablo 3 where there is no pvp or group dungeon ( exactly where I see them take that idea . its a plain copy of paragon level.)

Like blizzard never every have copy anything from other game the are alot of thing in WoW that the have copy from other game come on everyone know that company copy from other in world of mmo.

plz dont diverge the subject.It was just a comment within my CP discution. We are talking about CP idc if any game copies blizzard or w/e game copies w/e system in an other game that is good . Its just bright to copy a good system .

That system doesnt belong in a mmo. I wouldnt mind If eso was a single player game that you could play with friend . Like diablo. Buts its not.

In a game where there is a PVE leader board and pvp you just cant have a system like this ...

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Well we just DO have a system like this. Its staying put. This is what is replacing the vet rank system. They arent going to scrap this and start over again. So if you dont like it then either put on the big boy pants or find something else to play. The CP system has been around in development and then live for quite a few months. None of this chicken little stuff has happened.

Molsondry · June 2015

*** but I already stopped playing I only come on forum asking for them to remove CP. I wanna PVP and pvp is broken for now. And as the times goes its getting worse and worse(already top player are gonna have even more cp . there are already killing 20 guys in 1v20 ... stupid)(not even talking about lag)

kongkim · June 2015

Must say i like the CP system

Molsondry · June 2015

kongkim wrote: »

Must say i like the CP system

Any average/low skilled player WILL LOVE the champion system.

Give them a way to pve grind more power in order to be on par with higher skilled player only because they have more time to invest in the game.

the problem is player want skill absed game not . The one whos has the most time to invest and therefor the most Nolife of them will be the more powerfull . LOL get in 2015 boy

kongkim · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

Any average/low skilled player WILL LOVE

So you just more skilled and better or what?

Molsondry · June 2015

Well I have achieve top 5% pvp player in 2 diff games... Wow is one of them to compare to ESo its also an mmo. And if there was champion system in wow i would never achieved it. Cauz i work you know?

kongkim · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

Well I have achieve top 5% pvp player in 2 diff games... Wow is one of them to compare to ESo its also an mmo. And if there was champion system in wow i would never achieved it. Cauz i work you know?

Damn we have a no lifer here.. So gz. i'm proud of you