Sure, but then gimme camps back.

Imo this is a basic feature of pvp and should stay as it is! That the developer team even mentions it, is just a further proof of incompetence. The same "wrong spirit" that lead them to remove camps, after having introduced them before.. What a loss of credibility!

To every anti-camps guy: It doesn't matter at all if you remove camps and the ability to resurrect at distant keeps (things that offer great strategic possibilities to underdog-teams, as they enable you to get far behind the enemy lines, even when they took all your keeps, instead of changing the server...).

People like to cluster and people like to continuously fight at choke points, NO MATTER if you allow camps or not, they'll do it! And you can write hundreds of tickets to ZOS, we will cluster, no matter what, because not every player likes to play PvP in the same way, you like to play it

Think of casual players that just play a few hours per week; they might want "uncomplicated" action in Cyrondil, like a nice 1h-zerg fight for home time! Not everyone wants to play with 23 guys and to follow a 10-step strategy, which is followed by another 10-step strategy and a continous leader-bla-bla, forcing you to look for the crown 50% of your time and the inability to listen to music. This type of organized PvP is basically comparable to a "second job".
Some of us want play the way they want to play! (no pressure, afk breaks, role playing, etc. etc.). Camps were so nice and many players really miss them :'(

DO NOT force other players to play PvP the way you want PvP to be played, even so if what they do seems boring and repetitive to you. Respect other peoples preferences. Bring back camps! Let people port to keeps which are not connected to the line! Let people decide, whether they just want to raid keeps/structures, or if they have a series of (zerg) fights!

Forewarn camps would need to make a come back really

Zeni doesn't get that people looking to PvP don't want equestrian simulators.

Yeah last year there was a vocal minority of folks in favor of removing FCs which Zeni chose to do. But I'd bet most of those people aren't even playing anymore; which is ironic as stamina based ganking is at its apex right now, lol. Regardless, part of the result has been decreased and decreasing interest in Cyrodiil PvP because people looking to PvP don't want equestrian simulators. Hey Zeni, do you know why Alessia bridge is so popular..

I like this idea, balling up in the keep shouldn't be a tactic holding resources does up grade the keep and NPCs. Now resources should be harder to take and the bonuses should be more visible but yea taking resources should be a need step to take a keep it would feel more real

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I like this idea, balling up in the keep shouldn't be a tactic holding resources does up grade the keep and NPCs. Now resources should be harder to take and the bonuses should be more visible but yea taking resources should be a need step to take a keep it would feel more real

It is easier to flag the keep (siege a wall to 50%) than actually taking all resources in order to cut the port way.

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I do not support this idea because it would just make everything even more zergy.

We need more spawn points and less horse riding please.

OF course not. When you are underpopulated, and yes I'm empirically oftentimes underpopulated as a DC, the quick transit is the only means of staying one step ahead of our opponents when you're actually trying to make a campaign competitive (instead of just farming).

Taking away tools for mobility and quick travel to key areas will only further strain population imbalance, and it'll make fighting less fun for those casual players who log on and are looking for a quick brawl. PVP needs to be as encouraging as possible for entertainment and access to fun fights otherwise its numbers will continue to diminish and our guildies will leave, and we'll all be very sad.

cjthibs wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

PVP needs to be as encouraging as possible for entertainment and access to fun fights otherwise its numbers will continue to diminish and our guildies will leave, and we'll all be very sad.

So we need to give more Campaign rewards to the losing factions?
How about making the losing faction ressurects not cost soul gems?
Free 15 minutes of Emperor time for new players?

No. We need consequences for making the wrong decisions. If you let the enemy compromise your supply line, you should be limited as to where you can spawn.

I rolled DC.

WRONG DECISION.

Like others said, only if camps come back. Please don't make me hold my god damn horse sprint button any more than I already have to.

I like it. Keep resorces would have more improtance with this way. However, make them so, it is near impossible to capture them with just 1 person.

WebBull wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

Remove the ability to spawn at cut-off keeps.

Why should a dead player be able to "fast travel" to more locations than an alive player. This has never made any sense.

If you don't want players rezzing at an enemy controlled keep in your territory then burst it. The whole point is to create PvP which this does.
Seems that certain players just don't want do the work of bursting the keep. Likely interrupts their PvE/Delve/Dolmen questing.

The question remains.. why are dead players rewarded with more travel options? How is it good game design to require death in order to access this perk?

I don't understand the second part of your reply. Are you saying that people that don't like spawning at unconnected keeps are inherently PvE players? I'm not sure how that makes any sense.

The problem with forward camps is that it was contributing significantly to the lag which is the main reason they were taken out. If u don't want to be on your horse all the time play smarter and die less. Start contributing to resurrecting players and not walking pass them to have a pay it forward system going. Besides with rapids and the speed of horses it does not take long at all to get back to the avtion. If u are going to travel deep into opposing territory u have to accept the reality of dieing when u get there. Don't get me wrong I love forward camps and still have some. But the lag was too much.

Also, not allowing people to rez at keeps or get to them unless they are connected would make emp impossible to get and promote more night capping in the campaigns. Imagine this. You are on AD and the only keep you need for emp is chalman. Red takes sej. And blue takes nikel. You have just lose any chance of getting emp cause now while you try to reestablish connection and get your forces back to where they were rather then just spawning at brk or ales well in which time red takes brk and blue takes ales well all with knly having to get a few people to start nikel and sejanus. This will therefore promote guilds doing 4am night caps to get emp and then the only way to de-emp them is to get another 4am group together to night cap.