The worst thing about NB is fear, and if you aren't a total potato it's not that bad. The outrageous damage is largely thanks to out of stealth damage, and not just limited to NB. I question how powerful fear truly is, as i play my NB without fear fighting other NB that use it.

You've never seen Blaba in PvP if you think Templar is weak.

Vatter wrote: »

1. Lag. (its not our computers. its not our service providers. Its you. But then everyone has known that since launch.)

2. Fear. (The cc break is WAY to slow and most times I can't even break it even with a full bar of stamina.)

3. Nirnhoned. (My magicka templar is hitting like a vegetarian with 2.2k spell damage. Its more like tickling other players.)

4. Physical damage and how its mitigated. (light armor is garbage but you HAVE to use it for magicka anything. meanwhile medium armor users are enjoying infinite dodge rolling, massive reductions for both skills and feats, and getting weapon damage to 3k+. Did I mention stacking nirnhoned to get the full 50% reduction from magicka? Light armor has no such passive for physical damage.)

5. Purify. (Spammed to death by every. single. zerg. Making them invincible. The cost of this skill should be dramatically increased.

On a side note.....
I would like to add that Templars are the absolute WORST in pvp. I can't even begin to tell you how god awful they really are. skills are so clunky and all over the place its maddening.

1. We have no escape.
2. Healing animation is WAY to slow.
3. Biting jabs and Radial sweep completely miss 50% of the time.
4. Our resource management is laughable compared to other classes.
5. you nerfed restoring spirit.
6. you nerfed blazing shield.
7. Your nerfed restoring aura.
8. You nerfed our healing.
9. sun fire and solar flare are so SLOW you can see them coming a mile away. Why do solar flare and spear shards have high arc paths? Its like we are trying to attack the sky only to fail over and over. are we the short bus riders of tamriel?
11. You gave other players a full CC immunity for a .5 sec knock back.
12. Dragonknights get self placed reflects while we have one thats cc breakable.
13. focused charge has a ridiculous GCD.

The class shouldn't be called Templar. It should be called Clowns.

someone got killed & cant play their class right... someone call the WAAAAAAAMBUUULANCEEEE!!

Vatter wrote: »

2. Healing animation is WAY to slow.

Uuuuh.. just block after you use it to cancel animation?

The problem with Fear doesn't seem to be with the skill itself, when used in isolation in small fights.

Most times I had problems breaking it, was because I was being Critical Charged/Invasioned and then WBed/Taloned at the same time.

This game always had problems with overlapping stuns/immobilizes and they never really fixed it.

Most big groups know this, and that's why they have people dedicated to charging you in sequence and applying Talons, while others use Fear (or other disabling effects...), while others start with the WB spam... pretty difficult to survive that, even while surrounded by allies.

Is someone actually complaining about Physical Damage resist that Medium Armor has?

He does know that this all but negated by a a 2 handed mace and The Armor Debuff abilities right?

I mostly agree with you here.

Lag can be a game breaker/deal breaker for our gaming session, most of our group just quits playing completely at that point. Fear needs some work, I see how and why it should be useful, but it's a bit too useful IMO (I still think there should be a player cooldown on it - once you break fear you can't be feared for a minute or more - it's an illusion, you broke it, shouldn't work that easily again IMO - and yes I have two NBs and fear is great, doesn't mean it's not OP). But, I'd be fine with them leaving it be if they addressed the cost of CC break - it's too much (and I say that with bonuses and a good amount of champ points into it) especially if you are not a stam build (and magicka builds don't need another weakness IMO). I've never liked CC being the end-all in combat for this game, but some probably enjoy it.

Nirnhoned is getting addressed, I'm curious to see what they do before I worry more. I think Light Armor shouldn't be that great at mitigating physical damage, but they did make stamina builds too powerful when they worked to balance them all - it needs to be dialed back a bit for stam/weapon builds. Don't agree with purify, time to kill sucks in the game and too many DoTs already in the game, they need to be purgable if a player is willing to run it, but they could cap the purge (and barrier) effects so that they are less useful for zergs.

Also agreed with templar complaints mostly. That class needs a little love now, radiant is kind of OP and should be adjusted sure, but the other powers in that skill line all suck and need to be addressed (that arc is terrible and usually gets easily dodged, esp with todays uberdodge builds). Our heals need to be returned to what they were, especially if they are going to leave the "cast time" on breath. I've also been disapointed that healing ritual seems capped at six players, for a cast time heal I expected the payoff of having a cast time to actually be worth it, but it's usually not.

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Try using jabs with high latency then come back.

Your connection sucking is not a class balance issue.

granty2008cyb16_ESO wrote: »

fear is a joke stunned till you are dead i don't think cc break actually works on fear

There appears to be like a 1-2 secs stun on fear where you cannot cc break even with full stamina.

#removefear

I agree with most parts.
But you have to add perma rolldodge.

As templar i agree we are in bad spot, especially as Magicka Temp. Jesus Beam is strong, true, but all in all we suck compared to the other classes. Stam templar can be quite good but NB (and Dk) is far stronger.
In 1v1 you will mainly loose against another class played by a guy with same skill lvl. Its just like that.
I can also make videos 1vX and i have had nice fights as temp, but if i see what my NB can do...

Where (magikca)Temps are real good is as emp:) maybe better than the other classes thx Blazing but thats an poor consolation.

psufan5 wrote: »

Lets get down to the real whine here. You want fear nerfed so you can block spam without having to worry about being killed. Sorry, there is a counter to everything in this game and nightblades have a great counter to block spammers. You can argue that the walking animation is a bit funky when you are feared (so maybe change it so you grab your head stationary) but fear itself is designed for this purpose.

Its amazing that all of these complaints, yet, no one mentions using potions to remove the ability to be feared, or use the heavy armor buff...

Like I said, you can counter fear easily. It is easy to break out of, and then immediately roll. Done.

I agree its good to have counters to blockcasters etc but fear is far from fair imo. The "bit funky" walking animation often immobilizes you for least 1-2 seconds before you can break-free, even longer if there is considerable lag. During this time the NB can burst someone's health without having to anticipate a counter attack.

The immovable potions prevent getting feared for 15 seconds, then they have a cool down of 45 seconds until you can use it again. If the NB waits for 15 seconds he has 30 seconds to fear his opponent, thats a counter for max 1/3 of time if you chuck immovable potions non-stop. Note, you cant use potions during the fear so you need to do it before getting feared.

Streak was an unblockable hard CC but that changed, its only fair to adjust fear so there is a way (preferably something other than blocking) to avoid getting hard CC-ed, same goes for Fossilize btw.

Edit: breaking free and dodge rolling is 2/3 of the entire stamina pool for magicka builds so its a very short term solution. Its the same as cleanse for stamina builds, they can use it but its far from practical.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

psufan5 wrote: »

Lets get down to the real whine here. You want fear nerfed so you can block spam without having to worry about being killed. Sorry, there is a counter to everything in this game and nightblades have a great counter to block spammers. You can argue that the walking animation is a bit funky when you are feared (so maybe change it so you grab your head stationary) but fear itself is designed for this purpose.

Its amazing that all of these complaints, yet, no one mentions using potions to remove the ability to be feared, or use the heavy armor buff...

Like I said, you can counter fear easily. It is easy to break out of, and then immediately roll. Done.

I agree its good to have counters to blockcasters etc but fear is far from fair imo. The "bit funky" walking animation often immobilizes you for least 1-2 seconds before you can break-free, even longer if there is considerable lag. During this time the NB can burst someone's health without having to anticipate a counter attack.

The immovable potions prevent getting feared for 15 seconds, then they have a cool down of 45 seconds until you can use it again. If the NB waits for 15 seconds he has 30 seconds to fear his opponent, thats a counter for max 1/3 of time if you chuck immovable potions non-stop. Note, you cant use potions during the fear so you need to do it before getting feared.

Streak was an unblockable hard CC but that changed, its only fair to adjust fear so there is a way (preferably something other than blocking) to avoid getting hard CC-ed, same goes for Fossilize btw.

Very well said! Summed it up perfectly.

Fear might be too powerful in some ways, but the function it serves is very much needed (a chance to lower block). Maybe it doesn't need to CC your opponents, they sure as hell need to fix the glitches surrounding it. Not just with fear either, sometimes i get hit with dragon leap seemingly through block and i cannot CC break it.

I often play my NB without fear, and i have a great amount of success with it. But there are plenty of times where the only reason i lose to another NB is because that NB runs fear and i don't. One skill shouldn't be enough to turn the tide of combat enough like that. I don't mind being outplayed by a better player, i do mind when it seems like I'm gimped for not having fear on my bars. So for this reason I'm starting to wonder if fear can be modified to still allow a counter to block, but also become a bit more balanced at the same time. Like a timed buff (with a cooldown) that allows your next attack to go through block, that next attack can be a well timed CC like incap strike or veiled strike from cloak.

Etaniel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

NB fear is their only real defense. NB have no shield except cloak and with everyone chugging detect pots, cloak is useless anymore. Leave NB's alone. We are difficult enough to play both for survivablity and damage dealing.

lmaaaaaaao nb difficult to play for survivability and damage dealing? are you kidding me? hilarious

When they fix nirn, you're going to see a lot of dead NBs. Roll dodge + cloak + healing + dodge chance is all fine and dandy, but you aren't facetanking people with 14K damage shields (plus every other shield). Nirn is largely what stops abilities like curse, mines and detonation etc from being real counters. Playing without nirn on a NB can be pretty rough.

Also playing a NB without fear, trying to experiment with new things can also be very rough. Sucks to get tanked out by a lower level unable to use the burst your class gives you.